2nds NON-Crows SANFL Chat

[cleanhands]

Cause hes injured. Not because of the mid season draft. I am glad we didn't lose three of our best. Imagine losing Lowe, F Heard and Rokahr.

Draft/injured still unavailable

 

[Cromulant]

Cause hes injured. Not because of the mid season draft. I am glad we didn't lose three of our best. Imagine losing Lowe, F Heard and Rokahr.

Thought Heard might have been a chance, Lowe doesnt have the weapons and Rokahr has a bit of the Tom Lewis' about him.

 

[Velvet George]

Well the Eagles lost 3 of their very best players that AFL clubs deemed AFL quality possibly including 2 Key Position Defenders, how many did Norwood lose?

So they have no depth, thanks for confirming

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I would have taken F Heard before Van Wyk

 

[Mutineer]

Was unavailable today dopey

And WWT were also without best 22 players due to injury. See what I did there.
Jack Hayes
Riley Knight
Max Lister
Jack Wheare
Kobe Mutch

 

[cleanhands]

And WWT were also without best 22 players due to injury. See what I did there.
Jack Hayes
Riley Knight
Max Lister
Jack Wheare
Kobe Mutch

Yeh have a crack at Norwood every opportunity you get

 

[Mutineer]

Yeh have a crack at Norwood every opportunity you get

Like you have a crack at South at every opportunity you get....like that?

 

[cleanhands]

Like you have a crack at South at every opportunity you get....like that?

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[Velvet George]

Like you have a crack at South at every opportunity you get....like that?

Who? Is there a club down South in the comp?

 

[cleanhands]

Who? Is there a club down South in the comp?

Not of relevance

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Greater compensation to clubs for players drafted is an interesting one.

It used to be that if an SANFL club had a player drafted they would be paid directly. The more players a club had drafted, the more money they received.

The SANFL clubs themselves voted against this system. The weaker clubs argued that it rewarded the strong clubs too much and the gap widened. All clubs said that it was an unpredictable revenue stream so hard to budget.

So it was scrapped.

Now the SANFL clubs just get a flat fee across the board, no matter how good or crap they are. Easier for budgeting I'm sure but if WWT is decimated by losing three players at once... the SANFL club's compensation system is to go **** yourselves. This is the system the SANFL clubs wanted.

 

[Cromulant]

Greater compensation to clubs for players drafted is an interesting one.

It used to be that if an SANFL club had a player drafted they would be paid directly. The more players a club had drafted, the more money they received.

The SANFL clubs themselves voted against this system. The weaker clubs argued that it rewarded the strong clubs too much and the gap widened. All clubs said that it was an unpredictable revenue stream so hard to budget.

So it was scrapped.

Now the SANFL clubs just get a flat fee across the board, no matter how good or crap they are. Easier for budgeting I'm sure but if WWT is decimated by losing three players at once... the SANFL club's compensation system is to go **** yourselves. This is the system the SANFL clubs wanted.

Traditionally "weaker" clubs like South and West have had quite a number of players drafted in the last decade or 2, it seems very strange you'd want to vote against a system that gives you a monetary benefit from that.

 

[chazwazza]

Greater compensation to clubs for players drafted is an interesting one.

It used to be that if an SANFL club had a player drafted they would be paid directly. The more players a club had drafted, the more money they received.

The SANFL clubs themselves voted against this system. The weaker clubs argued that it rewarded the strong clubs too much and the gap widened. All clubs said that it was an unpredictable revenue stream so hard to budget.

So it was scrapped.

Now the SANFL clubs just get a flat fee across the board, no matter how good or crap they are. Easier for budgeting I'm sure but if WWT is decimated by losing three players at once... the SANFL club's compensation system is to go **** yourselves. This is the system the SANFL clubs wanted.

When this was changed there was no early season draft and no mid season draft so increased compensation is now warranted

 

[Velvet George]

Can’t remember which sports show was discussing it, they said sucks to lose players but it also helps attract them, as you can point to development to get them picked up by the AFL.

Pity didn’t work for McBean and Hosie

 

[Cromulant]

Can’t remember which sports show was discussing it, they said sucks to lose players but it also helps attract them, as you can point to development to get them picked up by the AFL.

Pity didn’t work for McBean and Hosie

Theyd probably get paid more at the Bay anyway

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

When this was changed there was no early season draft and no mid season draft so increased compensation is now warranted

That makes no difference?

It's still spread equally so just bad luck WWT, you get the same slice as Sturt who had zero players taken

 

[chazwazza]

That makes no difference?

It's still spread equally so just bad luck WWT, you get the same slice as Sturt who had zero players taken

My point is that as there’s more disruption and opportunity to lose players there needs to be better compensation. When the clubs agreed to a fixed return as compared to a fee per player drafted they weren’t losing players on the eve of the season and halfway through the season.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

My point is that as there’s more disruption and opportunity to lose players there needs to be better compensation. When the clubs agreed to a fixed return as compared to a fee per player drafted they weren’t losing players on the eve of the season and halfway through the season.

Then that winds back to the original point

The existence of this draft is known.

So, if losing players midway through a season is a massive issue, don't take players with AFL intentions. In fact you can ask them if they are going to nominate for the draft before signing.

Problem solved. No players lost.

Or if you want the talent that means you are prepared to take the risk that they get picked up.

The clubs can't have it both ways. A number of players are only playing SANFL in the first place because it is a pathway to AFL.

There should be more AFL entry points, not fewer. AFL clubs should be able to bring up mature age players at any time like the Major League / Minor League baseball. That would actually help the SANFL clubs more and keep more players overall chasing their AFL dream by playing in their competition for longer.

 

[Cromulant]

Then that winds back to the original point

The existence of this draft is known.

So, if losing players midway through a season is a massive issue, don't take players with AFL intentions. In fact you can ask them if they are going to nominate for the draft before signing.

Problem solved. No players lost.

Or if you want the talent that means you are prepared to take the risk that they get picked up.

The clubs can't have it both ways. A number of players are only playing SANFL in the first place because it is a pathway to AFL.

There should be more AFL entry points, not fewer. AFL clubs should be able to bring up mature age players at any time like the Major League / Minor League baseball. That would actually help the SANFL clubs more and keep more players overall chasing their AFL dream by playing in their competition for longer.

How would having more AFL entry points help SANFL clubs, and in turn community clubs ??

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How would having more AFL entry points help SANFL clubs, and in turn community clubs ??

Because anyone with AFL aspirations is only a few injuries at an AFL club away from an AFL call up.

They're not waiting for one of two annual windows, or relying on a permanent list spot to be open, or for a 6-18 month contract.

Community clubs?

 

[Cromulant]

Because anyone with AFL aspirations is only a few injuries at an AFL club away from an AFL call up.

They're not waiting for one of two annual windows, or relying on a permanent list spot to be open, or for a 6-18 month contract.

Community clubs?

Where do you think the SANFL clubs get their replacements from ??

Theres far too much focus on the top-end of town in these forums.

 

[Mutineer]

It's bullshit that the SANFL club that loses the contracted player/s in the MSD or in the pre-season doesn't get the total compensation directly paid to them.

WWT have had 3 of their very best players pillaged by the AFL club's virtually taking their previous very real Premiership aspirations to zero.

Especially with the MSD they have no ability to replace the player/s with similar talent not to mention the work they put in to entice the player/s to the club.

It stinks.

 

[chazwazza]

Then that winds back to the original point

The existence of this draft is known.

So, if losing players midway through a season is a massive issue, don't take players with AFL intentions. In fact you can ask them if they are going to nominate for the draft before signing.

Problem solved. No players lost.

Or if you want the talent that means you are prepared to take the risk that they get picked up.

The clubs can't have it both ways. A number of players are only playing SANFL in the first place because it is a pathway to AFL.

There should be more AFL entry points, not fewer. AFL clubs should be able to bring up mature age players at any time like the Major League / Minor League baseball. That would actually help the SANFL clubs more and keep more players overall chasing their AFL dream by playing in their competition for longer.

Again, this idea is so f***ing stupid yet you keep doubling down on it. You’re effectively suggesting SANFL clubs should just not play or develop their juniors or players that have come through their junior programs because “they have AFL goals”. What you’re suggesting would propose that Sturt don’t have a player like Tom Lewis at all because he has a dream to play at the highest standard possible and IF they do keep that player the club doesn’t deserve appropriate compensation for losing that player.
You’re effectively advocating for SANFL clubs not to keep developing and creating a pathway for these types of players. It’s totally counter intuitive.

 

[GreyCrow]

Then that winds back to the original point

The existence of this draft is known.

So, if losing players midway through a season is a massive issue, don't take players with AFL intentions. In fact you can ask them if they are going to nominate for the draft before signing.

Problem solved. No players lost.

Or if you want the talent that means you are prepared to take the risk that they get picked up.

The clubs can't have it both ways. A number of players are only playing SANFL in the first place because it is a pathway to AFL.

There should be more AFL entry points, not fewer. AFL clubs should be able to bring up mature age players at any time like the Major League / Minor League baseball. That would actually help the SANFL clubs more and keep more players overall chasing their AFL dream by playing in their competition for longer.

I was about to post that contract matters. What you put in front of the player is what you expect. If either party has issues don't sign it

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Again, this idea is so f***ing stupid yet you keep doubling down on it. You’re effectively suggesting SANFL clubs should just not play or develop their juniors or players that have come through their junior programs because “they have AFL goals”. What you’re suggesting would propose that Sturt don’t have a player like Tom Lewis at all because he has a dream to play at the highest standard possible and IF they do keep that player the club doesn’t deserve appropriate compensation for losing that player.
You’re effectively advocating for SANFL clubs not to keep developing and creating a pathway for these types of players. It’s totally counter intuitive.

That's right.

Do you understand now?

It would be UNBELIEVABLY STUPID for the Sanfl clubs to forego the most talented players.

So they don't.

Even though there's a chance the best will be snapped up in the midseason draft or national draft period.

The downside of maybe having a player drafted is WAAAAAAAAAAAY less than the downside of not having near-elite talent.

In fact it's so much less that it's barely worth a mention. Yet like clockwork the SANFL clubs pipe up for a whinge.

It would be better for the Sanfl clubs if the draft age was raised to 19. Or 20. Or 30.

And it would be easier if there wasn't a midseason draft. And if the national draft was only every two years. Or every five years.

But no one who counts gives a crap because they understand that the Sanfl's entire reason for being is to prepare and provide players for the highest level.

They are now a feeder league and they should embrace this role. Instead they have an identity problem.

The SANFL should be exploring ways to get more players into AFL ranks. Make themselves more relevant to the national football pathway. How can they help there be a larger pool of indigenous players making it to AFL ranks? Can there be more entry points to AFL than just the two drafts?

The crappier the players and the lower the standard of the competition then the less the Sanfl clubs will have to worry about their players being taken. And it feels like that's what they're gunning for.

Instead of raising the bar, using players drafted as a badge of honour and trying to be as elite as possible