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Sure I get that, but to then say "it's clearly referencing general play" - so you can swear during a stoppage but not when the balls moving?
I'm 100% certain the rules on disposal are listed elsewhere - not in 18.13 lol.
It's really surprising the chat at the end of the game about the free to Darcy that players and ex players don't know the rules of the game they played.
Surely as a player you would know every rule inside out so you know where to exploit them
Surely as a player you would know every rule inside out so you know where to exploit them
Swan districts surely!
It's almost like the rules of our sport are convoluted and extremely hard to interpret accurately and consistently
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Look, I don't want to get into a squirting around packs type cross-examination, but the rule is there and common sense says it should probably never get used. However...this was the final few minutes of a close game, which I would say is the reason why the rule exists - shit or not.
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Based on the context. I mean, that rule about running with the ball for example clearly does not apply when you're carrying it for a 50m penalty.
The section could do with clarity and sub-sections but I'm not the AFL Rules Committee obviously.
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The problem isn't really the calling of the free, it's the inconsistancy of the application.
That very act probably happened a few times just in that game alone but was never called.
Likely also happened in the prior game as well but not called.
If they called it all the times they could when it occurs then it wouldn't be an issue at least in this context (maybe in other ways though).
But this is the same as 99% of other umpiring issues.
That very act probably happened a few times just in that game alone but was never called.
Likely also happened in the prior game as well but not called.
If they called it all the times they could when it occurs then it wouldn't be an issue at least in this context (maybe in other ways though).
But this is the same as 99% of other umpiring issues.
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Completely understand the difficulty of the task. Umpiring is thankless. And they always deserve full protection from those that abuse them because the game cannot exist without them.
But when things like this and the Rankine decision happen, it undermines the system. They are technically free kicks - but are rarely paid even though we know it happens plenty of times unnoticed in games. And in the dying stages of a close game, they have a direct impact on the result.
Sorry but I don't understand this logic that's crept into the AFL
Umpires are paid quite well to do a job, and jeering from the crowd is part of refereeing in literally every competitive sport around the world
AFL umpires are paying increasingly more technical and dubious free kicks and all we ever get from the league is 'be nice to the umpies guys!'
Imagine a modern AFL umpire in this position, they'd probably need 6 weeks of therapy to get over the trauma
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The problem is we have a sport where the rules are almost all based on interpretation on a massive field with 36 players who can approach each other from any direction
So even for the very best umpires it’s a difficult game to adjudicate
But then we put 4 umpires out there, all with their own interpretations, capable of making a decision from anywhere on the ground at any time
All controlled by a league who change the rules annually and will arbitrarily focus on specific rules without warning
It’s a mess made worse by umpires changing interpretations late in games, particularly this year
So even for the very best umpires it’s a difficult game to adjudicate
But then we put 4 umpires out there, all with their own interpretations, capable of making a decision from anywhere on the ground at any time
All controlled by a league who change the rules annually and will arbitrarily focus on specific rules without warning
It’s a mess made worse by umpires changing interpretations late in games, particularly this year
Soccer refs need to essentially have the attitude of a bouncer in the worst parts of Perth on a Saturday night. If only AFL umpires carried themselves the same way...
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Sorry but I don't understand this logic that's crept into the AFL
Umpires are paid quite well to do a job, and jeering from the crowd is part of refereeing in literally every competitive sport around the world
AFL umpires are paying increasingly more technical and dubious free kicks and all we ever get from the league is 'be nice to the umpies guys!'
Imagine a modern AFL umpire in this position, they'd probably need 6 weeks of therapy to get over the trauma
No I understand it because it's not immunity from criticism, it's empathy that they are humans making decisions without the benefit of slow motion replays or alternate angles. They act under directive from AFL House - which should be the ones copping the heat, not the umpire themselves. No one is saying the crowd cannot jeer the officials, it's part and parcel of every professional sport in the world.
Never been a fan of soccer refs getting crowded by players and various leagues have taken steps against that. In rugby union for example, only the captain can approach the official and he must be respectful. Would rather the AFL follows that kind of treatment of umpires.
In AFL no one can approach the umpires and if you question them publicly as a player/coach you get a fine.
Craig McRae obviously wouldn't think it is a free kick, but publicly had to say "I'm looking forward to what the AFL tell us about that. I wasn't aware that's a free kick, but clearly it is because they don't pay things that aren't there."
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Bit of a melt, complete with a comparison to a dictator, from fairly innocuous posts thinking that umpiring isn't easy.
Did you type out all that?
Did you type out all that?
Freo are hands down the most boring team to watch this year. I turned the game off at half time and booted up Fallout 4. Got quite the surprise to see the major melts going on when I checked Twitter and the score after the game had ended.
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Hm. I reckon someone just lost a big sum on that game.
Freo fans get quite upset when umpiring gifts them points they don't deserve, in a manner so blatent it's hard to spin. You can see it doing a real number on their victim complex.
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Well a) doesn't reference general play either, therefore your interpretation would be that throwing the ball to the umpire at a stoppage would also be a free kick.
It’s a critically important rule. Without it, every ball up would become a game of piggy-in-the-middle against the umpires and 36 vs 10 isn’t fair. It would make for great TV though.
Would love to see it
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