Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread X

[Kong]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25436612/meth-addiction-behind-garletts-fall/

This is super sad.

No sympathy.

People make their own beds.

 

[Beerfish]

No sympathy.

People make their own beds.

Had to check which story you were referring to..

 

[Stopher]

No sympathy.

People make their own beds.

As campaignerish as it sounds, I've always said that one is never an addict the first time. Then it's merely a choice. A bad one, obviously!

 

[Doss]

As campaignerish as it sounds, I've always said that one is never an addict the first time. Then it's merely a choice. A bad one, obviously!

Correct, but certain personality traits and events occurring in one's life do make some much more predisposed to addictive behaviour (across a wide spectrum of addictions) than others.

 

[eth-dog]

Hang on, wasn't this girl's claim essentially the same as the girl Lovett was with? Yet they binned him off pronto.

We didn't see the evidence or any of the arguments. We simply don't know.

 

[Old Campaigner]

We didn't see the evidence or any of the arguments. We simply don't know.

Its fair to say there was something substantial if a guy with the money to buy the finest lawyers in town cops a sexual assault charge without fighting it. Seems likely that it went down exactly how she said, but looked to be hard to prosecute rape charges so he took a plea bargain.

 

[Zach Package]

I always open with 'I didn't rape her, I just indecently assaulted her'

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I thought Milnes rape chargers were dropped.

 

[Burzum]

Turns out Milne was actually a rapist. Who would have guessed.

Has something happened?

What am I missing here?

 

[Harlequin]

Has something happened?

What am I missing here?

Milne pleaded guilty to indecent assault and the 3 rape charges were dropped.

Basically admitted that the girl indicated that she did not want to have sex with him.

 

[Burzum]

Milne pleaded guilty to indecent assault and the 3 rape charges were dropped.

Basically admitted that the girl indicated that she did not want to have sex with him.

Thanks.

 

[letstayunited]

Turns out Milne was actually a rapist. Who would have guessed.

So if our players take deals it definitely means they breached the WADA code....

 

[letstayunited]

No sympathy.

People make their own beds.

Yeah people's upbringing has no impact what so ever in their future. And addiction isn't a disease. Bit harsh mate.

 

[BrunoV]

So if our players take deals it definitely means they breached the WADA code....

That's what happens when you plead guilty.

 

[Old Campaigner]

So if our players take deals it definitely means they breached the WADA code....

Typically if you have the evidence to show you are innocent you tend to use it to clear your name; you don't tend to throw it in the bin and plead guilty to a charge that for all intents and purposes labels you a rapist.

 

[letstayunited]

Typically if you have the evidence to show you are innocent you tend to use it to clear your name; you don't tend to throw it in the bin and plead guilty to a charge that for all intents and purposes labels you a rapist.

I want to know what Mick Malthouse thinks of all this.

 

[letstayunited]

That's what happens when you plead guilty.

Let's face it, in this case the general football public found us guilty 18 months ago and nothing will change their mind anyway.

 

[astrowizzle]

Correct, but certain personality traits and events occurring in one's life do make some much more predisposed to addictive behaviour (across a wide spectrum of addictions) than others.

I have a highly addictive nature. I know that now i am 45. But from the age of 13 - 25 i didnt realise this and was easily addicted to substances that my mates could take or leave. I feel really sorry for Garlett. Addictive personality is a ****ing life changer and those who dont suffer from it will never understand it. Its not a case of do i want to have a beer, more a case of when will i have a beer. The switch isnt there to turn it off

 

[VelvetSledge]

I want to know what Mick Malthouse thinks of all this.

You really don't

 

[letstayunited]

You really don't

It's amazing how you can see straight through me.

 

[Doss]

It's amazing how you can see straight through me.

Matthew Lloyd always did have X-Ray like vision.

 

[Kong]

Yeah people's upbringing has no impact what so ever in their future. And addiction isn't a disease. Bit harsh mate.

I don't think addiction is a disease.

As Doss touched on, people are definitely more predisposed to particular things due to their genetic makeup or life experiences.

However I think that ultimately, every able minded person has the responsibility for their own decisions and actions.

I know two brothers who both had a really unpleasant upbringing. Born within a year of each other, both suffered the same horrors and social injustices; both of the same background and genetic makeup.

One chose to wallow in self pity and to make stupid decisions that led to making his life even worse.

The other acknowledges that he's been dealt a bad hand, but is conscious that he still controls his own life now. He focuses on what he can do to make a situation better; how he can improve his life. He's now married, has a well paid and stable job, and is a model citizen.

The tl;dr of it: I'm not a fan of people making excuses for themselves. Take responsibility for your own life.

 

[VelvetSledge]

I don't think addiction is a disease.

As Doss touched on, people are definitely more predisposed to particular things due to their genetic makeup or life experiences.

However I think that ultimately, every able minded person has the responsibility for their own decisions and actions.

I know two brothers who both had a really unpleasant upbringing. Born within a year of each other, both suffered the same horrors and social injustices; both of the same background and genetic makeup.

One chose to wallow in self pity and to make stupid decisions that led to making his life even worse.

The other acknowledges that he's been dealt a bad hand, but is conscious that he still controls his own life now. He focuses on what he can do to make a situation better; how he can improve his life. He's now married, has a well paid and stable job, and is a model citizen.

The tl;dr of it: I'm not a fan of people making excuses for themselves. Take responsibility for your own life.

To quote the great Mitch Hedberg, with an element of editing for relevance;

"Addiction is like a disease but it's the only disease you can get yelled at for having...

Damn it, Dayle, you're an addict! Damn it, Dayle, you have lupus! One of those two don't sound right."

 

[Doss]

I don't think addiction is a disease.

As Doss touched on, people are definitely more predisposed to particular things due to their genetic makeup or life experiences.

However I think that ultimately, every able minded person has the responsibility for their own decisions and actions.

I know two brothers who both had a really unpleasant upbringing. Born within a year of each other, both suffered the same horrors and social injustices; both of the same background and genetic makeup.

One chose to wallow in self pity and to make stupid decisions that led to making his life even worse.

The other acknowledges that he's been dealt a bad hand, but is conscious that he still controls his own life now. He focuses on what he can do to make a situation better; how he can improve his life. He's now married, has a well paid and stable job, and is a model citizen.

The tl;dr of it: I'm not a fan of people making excuses for themselves. Take responsibility for your own life.

The other element here is, when people allow themselves to be defined by an illness or handicap they have, and make little to no effort to fix things that are eminently fixable.

My own mother is a depression sufferer and it becomes the excuse for all manner of self destructive behaviour- "can't help it".

It's eminently harrowing for her to live through but, looking on, it can be simultaneously, as her son, saddening and immensely frustrating.

 

[Old man fletch]

Thanks for sharing. Beyond Blue has done a lot of work to take the stigma away from depression, but for those who aren't close to anyone touched by it, it's still hard to understand just how much of an impact it has.

Agree 100%, when someone labels themselves with the disorder/disease they have, rarely do you see them become the person they are in spite of what they have. Inevitably they become the person they are because of it. It becomes such a huge part of their identity that they're not willing to make changes to make their lives better, even in their 'good' times where they have the energy and will power to do so.