Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread X

[rines]

For mine the following are the candidates (nominally the FB/#1 defender position only) with my ranking:
Adel - Talia #11
Bris - Maguire #12
Car - Rowe #13
Coll - Frost #14
EFC - Hooker #1
Freo - Dawson #8
Gee - Lonegan #5
Suns - R Thompson #15
GWS - Mohr #10
Hawks - Gibson #7
Mel - McDonald #18
NM - S Thompson #3
Port - Carlile #9
Rich - Rance #6 (I get that he is a running joke.. but has improved dramatically)
St. K - Fisher #16
Syd - Richards #2
WCE - MacKenzie #4
WB - J Roughead #17

I understand we could debate 'all day' about these rankings.. but that wasn't my intention. My point was that Frawley is not a Top 10 'key FB' in the league. (he won't play forward at any other club)

My top 10:
Hooker, Richards, S. Thompson, MacKenzie, Lonergan, Rance, Gibson, Dawson, Carlile, Mohr.

AND that isn't including double ups.. like Taylor/Lake/ Patfull/Mitch Brown/Hurley et al. Anyway it is a moot point.. but I think top 5 pick for Frawley is overs by a long way.

 

[HirdyLannister]

For mine the following are the candidates (nominally the FB/#1 defender position only) with my ranking:
Adel - Talia #11
Bris - Maguire #12
Car - Rowe #13
Coll - Frost #14
EFC - Hooker #1
Freo - Dawson #8
Gee - Lonegan #5
Suns - R Thompson #15
GWS - Mohr #10
Hawks - Gibson #7
Mel - McDonald #18
NM - S Thompson #3
Port - Carlile #9
Rich - Rance #6 (I get that he is a running joke.. but has improved dramatically)
St. K - Fisher #16
Syd - Richards #2
WCE - MacKenzie #4
WB - J Roughead #17

I understand we could debate 'all day' about these rankings.. but that wasn't my intention. My point was that Frawley is not a Top 10 'key FB' in the league. (he won't play forward at any other club)

My top 10:
Hooker, Richards, S. Thompson, MacKenzie, Lonergan, Rance, Gibson, Dawson, Carlile, Mohr.

AND that isn't including double ups.. like Taylor/Lake/ Patfull/Mitch Brown/Hurley et al. Anyway it is a moot point.. but I think top 5 pick for Frawley is overs by a long way.

Talia 11th and no Harry Taylor?

 

[Big Fresh]

For mine the following are the candidates (nominally the FB/#1 defender position only) with my ranking:
Adel - Talia #11
Bris - Maguire #12
Car - Rowe #13
Coll - Frost #14
EFC - Hooker #1
Freo - Dawson #8
Gee - Lonegan #5
Suns - R Thompson #15
GWS - Mohr #10
Hawks - Gibson #7
Mel - McDonald #18
NM - S Thompson #3
Port - Carlile #9
Rich - Rance #6 (I get that he is a running joke.. but has improved dramatically)
St. K - Fisher #16
Syd - Richards #2
WCE - MacKenzie #4
WB - J Roughead #17

I understand we could debate 'all day' about these rankings.. but that wasn't my intention. My point was that Frawley is not a Top 10 'key FB' in the league. (he won't play forward at any other club)

My top 10:
Hooker, Richards, S. Thompson, MacKenzie, Lonergan, Rance, Gibson, Dawson, Carlile, Mohr.

AND that isn't including double ups.. like Taylor/Lake/ Patfull/Mitch Brown/Hurley et al. Anyway it is a moot point.. but I think top 5 pick for Frawley is overs by a long way.

Not really your point but there is just no way that Tim Mohr is better than Daniel Talia.

 

[theboxmike]

On boomer getting 3 weeks

 

[Doss]

Guys, keep it classy please.

There have been a couple pretty ordinary comments in the last page or so.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

$700k is an ambit claim. He's reportedly on ~$500k at Melbourne, and in a world where Leroy Jetta is in the $300k range that's hardly a shock.

 

[doug85]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ldnt-get-a-priority-pick-20140819-105qvd.html

This article sums up my feelings on whether the dees deserve a priority pick (albeit in gentler tones).

 

[Buttsoup_Barnes]

For mine the following are the candidates (nominally the FB/#1 defender position only) with my ranking:
Adel - Talia #11
Bris - Maguire #12
Car - Rowe #13
Coll - Frost #14
EFC - Hooker #1
Freo - Dawson #8
Gee - Lonegan #5
Suns - R Thompson #15
GWS - Mohr #10
Hawks - Gibson #7
Mel - McDonald #18
NM - S Thompson #3
Port - Carlile #9
Rich - Rance #6 (I get that he is a running joke.. but has improved dramatically)
St. K - Fisher #16
Syd - Richards #2
WCE - MacKenzie #4
WB - J Roughead #17

I understand we could debate 'all day' about these rankings.. but that wasn't my intention. My point was that Frawley is not a Top 10 'key FB' in the league. (he won't play forward at any other club)

My top 10:
Hooker, Richards, S. Thompson, MacKenzie, Lonergan, Rance, Gibson, Dawson, Carlile, Mohr.

AND that isn't including double ups.. like Taylor/Lake/ Patfull/Mitch Brown/Hurley et al. Anyway it is a moot point.. but I think top 5 pick for Frawley is overs by a long way.

If we're going with that list I reckon this is how the ranking would go in terms of skill and AA criteria from best to worst counting all season games:

MacKenzie
Lonergan/Taylor/Rivers combo - statistically they're this good
Hooker
Richards
Gibson
Rance
Dawson
Talia
Carlile
S Thompson
Frost
Rowe
T McDonald
R Thompson
Fisher
Maguire
Mohr
J Roughead

I'm not sure Hooker will get AA with the likes of MacKenzie and Harry Taylor in the way, but it would be an awesome get. As for what Frawley's gonna do soon, would he have clubs like Carlton/Richmond/GWS in his mind to go to? Imagine how odd it'd be if Essendon tried considering our odd dilemmas with KPFs (probably wouldn't fit).

 

[Eleven 38]

Only teams that should get priority picks are teams that are genuinely bad. not teams that a genetically modified bad because they lost games on purpose and ruined all their players will to win bad..

 

[Phone]

And what would you actually achieve by withholding the pick because of the actions of people from 5 years ago? Apart from the fans, who from that time is actually still at the club? Grimes, Jamar, Frawley and Jones? And then some rookies. Maybe the odd person like Viney Sr.

There's reasons to not give them pick. Petty revenge isn't one of them

 

[Ben the Gooner]

4 clear standout key defenders this year: Hooker, Taylor, Mackenzie and Talia. Good luck picking the one who shouldn't make the team though.

 

[Nifft]

But they haven't been given any extra than what other teams have been. They've received comparatively little than other teams in the past 10 years due to the compensation rule change and the compromised drafts.

I'd love to see their books. Did they pay their fine? Who is paying for Roos?

What about compensation picks, and better picks gained through tanking BTGiD?

 

[The Speaker]

Taylor had a slow start to the season.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Taylor had a slow start to the season.

But a phenomenal finish.

 

[Jade]

But a phenomenal finish.

So did Heppell.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

So did Heppell.

I see what you're doing there

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Harry Taylor won't win the Brownlow either, so your point doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Harry Taylor won't win the Brownlow either, so your point doesn't make a lot of sense.

It doesn't have to make sense to be funny!

 

[rines]

Talia 11th and no Harry Taylor?

As I said later in the post.. Taylor is a 'double' up.. and Taylor plays more CHB than FB these days.. and yes I would have both Taylor and Lonegan ahead of Frawley.

 

[rines]

If we're going with that list I reckon this is how the ranking would go in terms of skill and AA criteria from best to worst counting all season games:

MacKenzie
Lonergan/Taylor/Rivers combo - statistically they're this good
Hooker
Richards
Gibson
Rance
Dawson
Talia
Carlile
S Thompson
Frost
Rowe
T McDonald
R Thompson
Fisher
Maguire
Mohr
J Roughead

I'm not sure Hooker will get AA with the likes of MacKenzie and Harry Taylor in the way, but it would be an awesome get. As for what Frawley's gonna do soon, would he have clubs like Carlton/Richmond/GWS in his mind to go to? Imagine how odd it'd be if Essendon tried considering our odd dilemmas with KPFs (probably wouldn't fit).

As I said.. ranking players is almost impossible.. I was merely trying to explain that in my opinion.. Frawley would be in the 'bottom 8' full backs in the league (based on one per team).. hence making a price tag of 700K stupid.

As to the question of whether 500K is doable.. then sure, maybe.. but a 500K deal should NOT see Melbourne get a first round compo pick for him. I personally think Frawley would be closer to the 350K mark than the 500K. I can also only see three teams that realistically would be looking for his type anyway: Dogs, GWS and St Kilda.

 

[Nifft]

As I said.. ranking players is almost impossible.. I was merely trying to explain that in my opinion.. Frawley would be in the 'bottom 8' full backs in the league (based on one per team).. hence making a price tag of 700K stupid.

As to the question of whether 500K is doable.. then sure, maybe.. but a 500K deal should NOT see Melbourne get a first round compo pick for him. I personally think Frawley would be closer to the 350K mark than the 500K. I can also only see three teams that realistically would be looking for his type anyway: Dogs, GWS and St Kilda.

How long does Lake have left at Hawks?

 

[rines]

How long does Lake have left at Hawks?

Yeah not sure.. but there is no way Clarkson would let someone with dodgy kicking (like Frawley) into his backline. Just saying.

Frawley is also a woeful decision maker and very slow. Hawks won't go near him with a bargepole.

 

[Kakkle]

I don't think Lake has played enough games to trigger that extra year.

 

[rines]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ldnt-get-a-priority-pick-20140819-105qvd.html

This article sums up my feelings on whether the dees deserve a priority pick (albeit in gentler tones).

Worst part? Being reminded they got two first round draft picks for that dud Scully.. farking hell.. how much 'assistance' can one team get?!!! They got more compo for Scully than Geelong did for Ablett... make sense of that and play fair!

Picks won't help.. it is their development and recruiting and culture that need a major overhaul.

 

[The Speaker]

Question for everyone:

What is the difference between Andrew Gaff and Luke Shuey? In my mind they are exactly the same person. I cannot tell them apart, and I suspect the Eagles have been playing one man under two names every week, putting them at a serious disadvantage.