Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread X

[Beerfish]

What are you guys talking about? Within the context of the AFL the club fine makes perfect sense.

 

[Darealrath]

The club fine is obviously because the integrity unit warned north about going down the path of Brad Scott in 2009.

 

[Maddogm]

Makes no sense to me at all. Scott shot his mouth off in his typically hot headed manner; that's not North's fault.

The club retracted as soon as it was clear that Scott's accusation was false.

I reckon they're entitled to be pretty annoyed about that.

Assuming he's an employee of North (and not directly employed by the AFL - which I think is how players are set up) then it's probably an employee law thing. If you screw up at work it's your employer that gets sued/charged not you personally. Of course their maybe ramifications from your employer but that's a sepperate issue.

 

[Doss]

What are you guys talking about? Within the context of the AFL the club fine makes perfect sense.

But using the most directly relevant example of umpire comments...

In other words, Hird in 2004. Essendon weren't fined then, only Hird was. Why would North be now?

 

[Beerfish]

But using the most directly relevant example of umpire comments...

In other words, Hird in 2004. Essendon weren't fined then, only Hird was. Why would North be now?

Because it's the AFL and they just do whatever they feel like at that moment silly.

 

[Doss]

Because it's the AFL and they just do whatever they feel like at that moment silly.

Yeah, well, consider me schooled then.

 

[DonsRule]

Makes no sense to me at all. Scott shot his mouth off in his typically hot headed manner; that's not North's fault.

No background checks

Governance.


Wonder if it related to the offical that told Scott, Walsh?

 

[DonsRule]

But using the most directly relevant example of umpire comments...

In other words, Hird in 2004. Essendon weren't fined then, only Hird was. Why would North be now?

Lies.

Essendon was also fined $5,000 for Hird's comments.

He has seven days to pay the fine.

Was only $5K though.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-04-15/hird-fined-20000-over-umpire-slur/171240

 

[Beerfish]

Lies.




Was only $5K though.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-04-15/hird-fined-20000-over-umpire-slur/171240

Well.. this really doesn't make any sense now.

 

[Doss]

File it under the 'not a good lookth' clause I guess.

 

[jmoo wan]

the club should be fined - they were all in on it.

This was a club sanctioned, club wide, systemic programme of umpire vilification, not adequately controlled or monitored

 

[scyth]

Considering Hirdy got $20k for giving an opinion, I'd say a combined $80k for actual slander is appropriate.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

But using the most directly relevant example of umpire comments...

In other words, Hird in 2004. Essendon weren't fined then, only Hird was. Why would North be now?

Difference between making those comments in your post match presser and making them on TFS I would assume. Scott did it within the actual domain of the sport.

 

[yaco55]

On another note, Petracca looks to be every bit as good as was promised.

I question Petracca's decision-making under pressure - Of course this will improve with more game experience - How much this area improves will determine if he becomes elite.

 

[yaco55]

Surely Brayshaw and McGuire must stand down as President's of their clubs - You can't have figureheads making such childish remarks in a public forum - And both are serial offenders - On another note I wonder about suitability of people in high powered or even ceremonial type posts - Or even candidates who are given awards like Father of the Year, Austrakian of the Year etc.

 

[yaco55]

Not sure what purpose this serves really. Do we really think club presidents need to sit around a table and discuss domestic violence, like all of a sudden this falls on their shoulders to fix.

Why do sporting codes need to become the responsibility for fixing general public issues?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-...estic-violence-round-table-says-our-watch-ceo

This whole thing has become crazy.

Spot on - Doesn't help when the AFL tries to become something for every cause out their in society - I thought the remarks on MMM were bullying and hard core bullying - I struggle to see the relationship with domestic violence.

 

[I Remember Bluey]

I'm in two minds about that.

The fine for Scott is absolutely warranted.

The fine for North? Not so sure about that.

Back door way to sanction Brayshaw?

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Won't that 80k go straight back to lolnorf under the equalization scheme anyway..?

 

[yaco55]

Agreed.

And worse, sometimes I think the fact that the AFL's 'big statements' are so obviously window dressing PR exercises actually acts as a negative in the long run. How many times have we seen a sports person be the 'face' of something, and then it's emerged that they're engaging in exactly the behaviour they're supposedly bemoaning?

People see through it.

I'm not saying there's never a place for such things, but this idea that the AFL needs to pretend to be a moral barometer on everything is ridiculous.

Spot on with your post - This is more the debate we should be having around the MMM issue - Vetting of candidates who head up campaigns is poor.

 

[yaco55]

What't the point of fining Scott - Do these fines ever get paid or is it a PR stunt - Scott should have been suspended for 2 weeks.

 

[Beerfish]

Scott should have been suspended for 2 weeks.

 

[BrunoV]

Brad Scott fined 30k
North fined 50k (bet they are stoked with Brad)

It's an investment in the future.

Doubt that they'll miss a Lindsay Thomas free kick in the future.

 

[BrunoV]

Spot on - Doesn't help when the AFL tries to become something for every cause out their in society - I thought the remarks on MMM were bullying and hard core bullying - I struggle to see the relationship with domestic violence.

There is no point revisiting the context to try to argue around it. By this point the meaning has taken on a life of its own and follows wherever those with the loudest voices want to take it.

I think we're probably in agreement, in that we expect professional media performers and important figureheads to be smart enough to understand the way these things can blow up.


I am not sure that I trust the motivations of McGuire, in particular, anyway. He has so much ammunition to attack Wilson's credibility and he chooses to play the schoolyard bully instead. That says more about his true attitudes than his apologies do.

I wonder about the extent to which Wilson is protected by the AFL. I cannot believe that no one has ever called her out for her bias and blatant pursuit of AFL agendas all while maintaining the reputation of a fearless and independent journalist.

 

[DapperDon]

It's an investment in the future.

Doubt that they'll miss a Lindsay Thomas free kick in the future.

TBF, I'm still waiting for our 20k investment to take affect.

 

[Runk]

Brad Scott fined 30k
North fined 50k (bet they are stoked with Brad)

Holy shit that's massive.