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Mega Thread Official 2012 Draft discussion thread: All drafts complete.

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ThePuppetMaster said:
I also think that clubs that are taking a 'risk' on players are being rewarded more and more often.

Judd, Selwood, Heppell, Darling (apart from his off field behaviour I'm fairly certain he was king-hit and put in an induced coma for a couple of days?).

There weren't footballing reasons to pass on these guys.

There isn't a footballing reason to pass on Stringer IMO.

If he wasn't injured he'd be going no.1 - he dominated TAC Cup as a 16 year old, he's missed two years of development through this injury (one through incapacitation and this one through having to make up for it) and he's still being talked about as a first rounder.
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Tom Swift also dominated as a 16 year old before he got injured as well. He was never the same.

We aren't in a position as a club to take a risk on someone like Stringer. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason in terms of his body and injuries then it hurts us, big time. While our recruiting over recent years hasn't been flash I have far more faith in our FD to make the right decision, and that won't be on a risk as big as Stringer.
 
ThePuppetMaster said:
No doubt it would be seen as a massive risk - and realistically, it won't happen - but I'd love him to be at the Dees.

For the record, I don't think it's a risk - his movement has increased rapidly this season.
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Have you actually seen him play recently? Of the games I saw him play for Bendigo, he doesn't strike me as anything special, let alone a top 4 pick. Also, people at the draft combine are saying that he's running with a funny gait.

I wouldn't be surprised he slides down to a late teen pick.

If GWS take Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines, I'd take Macrea.
 

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CowboyFromHell said:
Tom Swift also dominated as a 16 year old before he got injured as well. He was never the same.

We aren't in a position as a club to take a risk on someone like Stringer. If it doesn't work out for whatever reason in terms of his body and injuries then it hurts us, big time. While our recruiting over recent years hasn't been flash I have far more faith in our FD to make the right decision, and that won't be on a risk as big as Stringer.
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Enough of this 'Tom Swift' stuff - Stringer dominated two age groups up as a 16 year old.

Tom Swift dominated kids his own age because he was a shitload fitter then all of them.

I agree we won't take him, I think we'll regret it though.
 
dee64 said:
Have you actually seen him play recently? Of the games I saw him play for Bendigo, he doesn't strike me as anything special, let alone a top 4 pick. Also, people at the draft combine are saying that he's running with a funny gait.

I wouldn't be surprised he slides down to a late teen pick.

If GWS take Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines, I'd take Macrea.
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Well I saw him play in the championships - where his movement was really quite limited - then I saw him play for Bendigo later in the year where his movement was a lot better.

I'm not saying he's magically gotten over his break in a matter of 6 months of playing footy - that's unrealistic.

He's operating at about 65-70% fitness, and he had some good moments in the VFL - didn't dominate a game, but he certainly showed his class there IMO.
 
ThePuppetMaster said:
Enough of this 'Tom Swift' stuff - Stringer dominated two age groups up as a 16 year old.

Tom Swift dominated kids his own age because he was a shitload fitter then all of them.

I agree we won't take him, I think we'll regret it though.
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What difference does that make? You don't like the Tom Swift stuff as it doesn't support your argument. The facts are that the kid was a gun at Under 16 level, got bad injuries and was never the same player. There is more than enough relevance there for Stringer and the same thing happening to him when he hits AFL level. As mentioned above he still hasn't gotten completely over his horrific injuries and there is always the chance he won't - like Swift. They may have been different players but the similarities in terms of their injuries are very much alike.
 
CowboyFromHell said:
What difference does that make? You don't like the Tom Swift stuff as it doesn't support your argument. The facts are that the kid was a gun at Under 16 level, got bad injuries and was never the same player. There is more than enough relevance there for Stringer and the same thing happening to him when he hits AFL level. As mentioned above he still hasn't gotten completely over his horrific injuries and there is always the chance he won't - like Swift. They may have been different players but the similarities in terms of their injuries are very much alike.
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They're poles apart, I understand what you're getting at - but the talent Swift displayed was SIGNIFICANTLY less than what Stringer was.

Swift suffered some serious knee injuries - and to be perfectly honest he didn't have anything other than his fitness which separated him from the pack, he got a lot of the ball - that's all.

It'd make more sense if the injuries were remotely the same, they aren't even both impact injuries like Stringers.

Swift had an ACL and a medial tear.
 
ThePuppetMaster said:
They're poles apart, I understand what you're getting at - but the talent Swift displayed was SIGNIFICANTLY less than what Stringer was.

Swift suffered some serious knee injuries - and to be perfectly honest he didn't have anything other than his fitness which separated him from the pack, he got a lot of the ball - that's all.

It'd make more sense if the injuries were remotely the same, they aren't even both impact injuries like Stringers.

Swift had an ACL and a medial tear.
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But you still miss my point. I'm talking injuries - both of them had signficant injuries and while I know Stringer's were horrific an ACL and a medial tear is not exactly "easy".

My point is that you are just as likely not to come back from the injuries as you are to come back and make an impact. Top 8 clubs are in a position to take a risk with someone like Stringer where as clubs like us are not. I would be supremely disappointed in the club for using such a high pick on such a high risk player - true, the reward might be great but there are far less guarantees as opposed to a ready to go midfielder who is at peak fitness.

If we still had Pick 13 I'd be happy with the risk, same with 20 if for some reason we still have it. But I'd be very, very disappointed in the club if we took him at 4 knowing the risks that are involved.
 
Could there be an agreement we gave them pick 3 due for the good marketing or whatever, as long as Wines is there for us at 4?
 
Everything else in the trade period has gone to plan so far, now we just need to offload pick 20 for Dawes, get Wines at 4, and then bring on 2013 where we will surely beat a Victorian team that isnt Richmond or Essendon! Exciting times ahead boys and girls
 

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DeeWong6996 said:
Yeah interesting, many including me thought he wouldn't last to the third round last year. Nobody even contemplated that he wouldn't even get rookied.

There must be SOME major flaw in his game to get passed up on.
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Didn't the article say he got real crook just prior to the draft and lost 7kgs?
Seems like a handy player though, if he was still around at one of our later picks he'd definitely be worth a look although that would seem unlikely.
 
CWaffles said:
Could there be an agreement we gave them pick 3 due for the good marketing or whatever, as long as Wines is there for us at 4?
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No way to hold them accountable to that.
 
Dory_77 said:
Didn't the article say he got real crook just prior to the draft and lost 7kgs?
Seems like a handy player though, if he was still around at one of our later picks he'd definitely be worth a look although that would seem unlikely.
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Yeah but i didnt think that would have caused him to be over looked due to his performances in the U18s last year and at West Perth... will be interesting to see what happends to him.

If Wines isnt there at 4 i think McCrae is a good choice, think he'd fit into Neelds game plan nicely.... I just dont think we can take a risk on stringer given where we are at... that being said people did say the same things about judd (Their injuries are significantly different but still)
 

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Well GWS have announced that picks 2,3,12 and 13 are on the trade table if they can get a good deal, pick 1 is off limits. This could mean the clubs who may get those top picks are after mids and taking Whitfield, Toumpas and Wines before us Over looking Grundy.
 
Remember we will most likely be picking up billy stretch in the near future. Is it 2014 draft?
 
Devastating Boris said:
Remember we will most likely be picking up billy stretch in the near future. Is it 2014 draft?
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I would be amazed if that has any bearing on our draft choices.

He's one player, who may drop off the radar anyway - plenty of kids do between 16s and 18s. Certainly very unlikely that he will be another Viney case anyway.

In any case, we need all the mids we can get.
 
I could see you guys taking Plowman at 4, especially now with the loss of Rivers. He's an absolute jet, have watched him all year and I really think that he would immediately benefit your side. In future aspects too, Frawley would take the first forward, McDonald the second and Plowman would take the third whilst providing the attacking rebound which he is so very much praised for. He is in that Schofield/Fisher mold but has the potential to leap above and beyond them and in my opinion, has the capabilities of going into the midfield too.

Saying that though, Melbourne have had some pretty bad luck taking 192cm defenders at pick 4 in recent times. :D
 
Martin_Riewoldt said:
I could see you guys taking Plowman at 4, especially now with the loss of Rivers. He's an absolute jet, have watched him all year and I really think that he would immediately benefit your side. In future aspects too, Frawley would take the first forward, McDonald the second and Plowman would take the third whilst providing the attacking rebound which he is so very much praised for. He is in that Schofield/Fisher mold but has the potential to leap above and beyond them and in my opinion, has the capabilities of going into the midfield too.

Saying that though, Melbourne have had some pretty bad luck taking 192cm defenders at pick 4 in recent times. :D
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Good reasoning but he'd essentially be taking over a role Garland or Watts can and do already play.

Wines or Macrae, for mine.
 
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