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Nuts4Bolts said:
Stephen Milne linked to Essendon! Oh dear God, please let this week be over.
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Milne would give us six forwards that averaged over a goal a game in 2006.
Lloyd, Johns, Lucas, Lovett, Monfries, Milne is a seriously good forward line. Probably the best in the league.

I don't think any side has three forwards who have a track record of kicking 50+ goals in a season. Milne would give us that, few small forwards averaged two goals a game over their career, Milne does.

I'd prefer Steve Johnson, but Milne at the right price and the right attitude would be a good addition.
 
I agree, I'm not really against it either, when I first read about it I got a little excited, and first thought that came into my mind was 11 straight against the Lions, sure they were smashing them everywhere that night but he is an excellent player in a very good forward line. It would give us probably the best in the league and we could even throw Hirdy in there if we wanted to go even taller, of course, his attitude would want to be right and you think it would be if you come to a new club.
 

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Longy413 said:
Milne would give us six forwards that averaged over a goal a game in 2006.
Lloyd, Johns, Lucas, Lovett, Monfries, Milne is a seriously good forward line. Probably the best in the league.

I don't think any side has three forwards who have a track record of kicking 50+ goals in a season. Milne would give us that, few small forwards averaged two goals a game over their career, Milne does.

I'd prefer Steve Johnson, but Milne at the right price and the right attitude would be a good addition.
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His attitude and character are questionable and will always be questionable. It would be a step backwards at worst, or a step sideways at best.
 
Longy413 said:
He'd also release Monfries and Lovett up the ground for longer periods.
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Exactly, can't remember if it was the Carlton game or St. Kilda game but Lovett was chasing and tackling through the middle and on the wing and had a real big influence on the game, coupled with his pace and carry would be an excellent midfielder, especially if Milne can kick 40+ goals
 
I don't know how it can be that questionable when he's averaged two goals a game over six seasons of footy. No small forward does that, you have to have some level of committment to get that out of yourself.

This year was his worst season, he averaged 1.3 goals per game and that was mainly due to his accuracy being down on previous years, he only converted at 50%. We all know it's much better than that. He also spent periods in the midfield, hence his disposal count being up.

He kicked 29 goals this year, just so you know, that puts him above every Essendon player except Scotty Lucas. As a team St Kilda averaged one more inside 50 per game, but he also had Gehrig, Riewoldt, Kossie etc to compete with.

That's a pretty healthy return from a bloke with a attitude and character issues. Why could it not be a step forward?
 
Longy413 said:
He averages 39.83 goals per season.
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He is a footballer in decline and an unpopular one at that. A forward line of Lloyd, Lucas, Johns, Hird, McVeigh, Lovett, Monfries and even M. Johnson is enough.
 
Obviously it isn't enough when Milne kicked more goals than all but one of those (make it two to include Lloyd) this season.
On that theory Hird and Mark Johnson are footballers in decline as well. Get rid of them?

Less time in the middle and more time around goals and he kicks more last season. He's a small forward, not a midfielder, much like Thomas isn't a coach.

How do you know he's unpopular? What are you basing that on.
 

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Longy413 said:
Obviously it isn't enough when Milne kicked more goals than all but one of those (make it two to include Lloyd) this season.
On that theory Hird and Mark Johnson are footballers in decline as well. Get rid of them?

Less time in the middle and more time around goals and he kicks more last season. He's a small forward, not a midfielder, much like Thomas isn't a coach.

How do you know he's unpopular? What are you basing that on.
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Are you really expecting Stephen Milne to lift Essendon up the ladder next year. Do you really not think that he is a front runner. Now, i'm not going to pour over the stats but I bet you'd find that a lot of stats are when the Saints are up and running.

He is unpopular with fans, surely you should have picked up on that. And he splits team-mates evenly. Some love him and others would prefer to have nothing to do with him. His arrogance rubs up a few players the wrong way. From an ex-St. Kilda player.
 
He's definately unpopular with the ladies. ;)

Is anyone else a little concerned about giving up pick 18 or 20 for Steve Johnson...

He is definately talented but he has never put together a full season...

I'm starting to think that we should just use our first 3 picks and if we are going to trade...trade players...not picks...
 
Nuts4Bolts said:
Are you really expecting Stephen Milne to lift Essendon up the ladder next year. Do you really not think that he is a front runner. Now, i'm not going to pour over the stats but I bet you'd find that a lot of stats are when the Saints are up and running.
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No I don't expect Milne alone to lift us up the ladder, but I do think he would improve our side. He kicks goals, you need to do that to win games of footy.

He kicked 50 goals in 2002 when St Kilda finished 15th and won just 5 games. Bit hard to be a front runner from 15th place. Last year he still averaged a goal a game in losing sides, 8 goals from 8 games. Just slightly below his season average. His quietest games were when St Kilda lost, his best were when St Kilda won, but I don't know if that is completely out of the ordinary for forwards.

He also would have been placed 11th at Essendon for tackles last season.
 
Longy413 said:
No I don't expect Milne alone to lift us up the ladder, but I do think he would improve our side. He kicks goals, you need to do that to win games of footy.

He kicked 50 goals in 2002 when St Kilda finished 15th and won just 5 games. Bit hard to be a front runner from 15th place. Last year he still averaged a goal a game in losing sides, 8 goals from 8 games. Just slightly below his season average. His quietest games were when St Kilda lost, his best were when St Kilda won, but I don't know if that is completely out of the ordinary for forwards.

He also would have been placed 11th at Essendon for tackles last season.
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Well 2002 was a long time ago.
We have enough goal kickers in this side without needing Milne. What we don't have is enough quality delivery from our mid-field (which St. Kilda has) and a steady back half. They should be our prioritys this trade/draft period.

As a matter of interest, what would you be prepared to give up for him?
 
Jaymin said:
He's definately unpopular with the ladies. ;)

Is anyone else a little concerned about giving up pick 18 or 20 for Steve Johnson...

He is definately talented but he has never put together a full season...

I'm starting to think that we should just use our first 3 picks and if we are going to trade...trade players...not picks...
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Agree. I'm still wondering what S. Johnson has actual done to warrant even a 3rd round pick. Like i said in another thread, he's less talented and arguably less committed than Cupido.
 

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Nuts4Bolts said:
Well 2002 was a long time ago.
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They haven't been a crap side since then, its the only time that is relevant to proving him a front runner. In losing games this year he averaged a goal a game.
Surely that goes some way to ending the myth?

Nuts4Bolts said:
We have enough goal kickers in this side without needing Milne.
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There is no such thing as having enough goal kickers and we don't.
We have five, one has a year left in him and two others are best suited to the team if they play in the midfield.

We don't actually have a specialist forward pocket.

Nuts4Bolts said:
What we don't have is enough quality delivery from our mid-field (which St. Kilda has) and a steady back half. They should be our prioritys this trade/draft period.
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And I have no reason to doubt it will be, fact is there aren't many available for trade. And no, that doesn't mean we should trade for trades sake, but if a quality player comes along that can add something for the right price, we should look at it.

I've got no doubt Milne is a quality footballer, I've got no doubt he could add something. And if you have Lloyd, Lucas, Johns in the forwad line with Milne at their feet, all of a sudden delivery isn't nearly as important.

Not sure St Kilda have a wealth of midfielders with quality foot skils in their midfield either. Their midfield is as one-paced, probably more so than ours.

Nuts4Bolts said:
As a matter of interest, what would you be prepared to give up for him?
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Probably the pick we get for Solly. Solly for Milne would be a good trade for us.
 
Longy413 said:
Not sure St Kilda have a wealth of midfielders with quality foot skils in their midfield either. Their midfield is as one-paced, probably more so than ours
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Are you saying our midfield is as good as St. Kilda's? If you are, then you really are the glass is half full type of person.

But having said all before, any swap to get rid of Solomon would be acceptable.
 
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