One day selection

[gbatman]

We've just got a look at what our ODI side is going to look at and the selectors have predictably gone with an old side. They've learnt nothing from the test series and previous ODI games.

We're persisting with guys like David Hussey, Haddin, Lee, Bollinger and White who hasn't made runs this year at all. Sure these guys are still decent players but they aren't likely to take us to a world cup win and they aren't the future. Fair enough hanging onto older players when there is none at state level doing any good but we have plenty of good young players who should be playing ODIs.

Haddin is a rubbish keeper, he's bloody shocking and his batting is not good enough to make up for it. Hilditch loves him because he's a rubbish selector with NFI about cricket. White is not making runs. David hussey is handy because of his bowling but he is not as good of a batsman than Hodge by a long way. If we are going to go old Hodge plays before Dave Hussey. Lee is still playing ok but he's not fast enough any more to get international wickets with pace. Bollinger can't swing it and is not that accurate. Johnson bowls pies in all forms of cricket except for that odd occasion when the conditions give him swing. Johnson is a rubbish ODI bowler and not a good enough batsman to play as an allrounder.

We have good young players, but a selection comittee with no brains headed by an idiot.

What the ODI team should be:

1. S. Watson - No brainer selection.
2. B. Hodge - Goes against youth policy but I don't think we should open with any one else and he is the best OD batsman in Australia.
3. A. Finch - One of the best OD bats around and a perfect age.
4. T. Pain (VC) - The best keeper batsman we have.
5. M. Clarke (C) - Will need to make runs.
6. M. Hussey - Here to save the day Bevan style.
7. D. Christian - damaging in form bat and a top wicket taker.
8. S. Smith - Is an allrounder, Hauritz who is now an allrounder is very close next in line here.
9. B. Lee - Can bat a bit and leeds the attack.
10. P. Siddle - Can bowl lines now.
11. M. Starc - The only left armer in Aust who swings the ball at good pace.

Squad
S. Taite - when he's not bowling fast he's no good and he's not bowling fast or well at the moment and he's not fit.

C. Ferguson - No form.

S. Marsh - No OD form.

M. Wade - Great record and a good keeper up there with Pain and ahead of Haddin arguably.

Hauritz - very handy spin all rounder who should never have been exiled.

B. Hilfenhaus - Reasonable back up but lacks bowling smarts and variation. OK ODI bowler.

O'Keefe - handy young all rounder.

OUT:
Haddin - Can't keep, not good enoug at batting to make up for it. Too old the be the future.

Johnson - Can only bowl in suitable conditions, mostly bowls pies, doesn't bat well enough to make up for it, too expensive.

White - Hasn't made runs for a long time.

Bollinger - getting poor results, doesn't move the ball or bowl ultra fast. Is not accurate and can't bowl to a field.

D Hussey - very handy player but is not making runs and is too old.

Doherty - Just a bowler, nothing special. Poor fielder. Can't bat unlike Smith and Hauritz.

 

[TownleyTime]

Can't understand the selection of Lee at the expense of Pattinson.

 

[The Vok]

What the ODI team should be:

1. S. Watson - No brainer selection.
2. B. Hodge - Goes against youth policy but I don't think we should open with any one else and he is the best OD batsman in Australia.
3. A. Finch - One of the best OD bats around and a perfect age.
4. T. Pain (VC) - The best keeper batsman we have.
5. M. Clarke (C) - Will need to make runs.
6. M. Hussey - Here to save the day Bevan style.
7. D. Christian - damaging in form bat and a top wicket taker.
8. N. Hauritz - Is an allrounder now, he's a better bat than Smith at this stage and a good defencive bowler. Smith is very close next in line here.
9. B. Lee - Can bat a bit and leeds the attack.
10. P. Siddle - Can bowl lines now.
11. M. Starc - The only left armer in Aust who swings the ball at good pace.

Fergy in for Clarke, White for M Hussey, Kawaja or Klinger for Hodge - they can fight for the spot. I'd like to see Christian have a crack at opening - if we can make an opener out of Wato surely we can make an opener out of anyone.

And Mckay (? spelling) in for Lee.

The spinner spot? Throw a dart at a map of Oz and take the spinner from whatever state it lands in. They're all terrible.

 

[Mr Budda Bing]

Haddin GAWN.

Can't miss 3 stumpings and a dropped catch at the top level.

 

[flight23]

Haddin GAWN.

Can't miss 3 stumpings and a dropped catch at the top level.

or he's done enough to get himself back into the T20 side, i can't pick what these selectors are thinking anymore

 

[Cousin Jed]

You lost me when you picked Siddle

 

[Lazarus]

Agree on dropping Haddin, like he's been dropping catches

 

[gbatman]

one day cricket, only need a guy who can get a couple of wickets and keep the runs down and who can bat a bit themselves. Warne and Hogg filled that mould well. Hauritz could do it fine and smith looks likely at limited overs cricket.

Siddle has improved as a bowler, you need a first drop who can bowl lines and hit the seam which he seems to be doing now. McKay can bowl nice lines and hits the seam, i forgot him.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Haddin will get picked - whinging about his other dropping will pay dividends

 

[The Passenger]

I'd be getting James Pattinson in the team. Siddle's one day form has been pretty poor. he is too up and down for one day cricket. batsmen have a very good idea where the ball is going to be coming with him.

dan christian must be very close to the team.

starc is injured at the moment but would be in the mix as shown with his selection in the sri lanka games. he is more suited to the one day game then the longer form at the moment. he's had his share of injuries over the last three years so maybe his body hasn't held up to the longer form just yet.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

You lost me when you picked Siddle

Agreed and Christian will just get belted as well. He might take wickets or he might not but he'll get belted.

And where does the love for Mitchell Starc come from? He's inexperienced, his first class and List A record is ordinary and he got 4 wickets against Sri Lanka in a dead rubber by bowling rubbish and getting lucky.

WE'VE GOT players who can do that.

 

[dan warna]

the sooner we get a wicket keeper the better.

Paine in test cricket,

Wade in T20 and 50/50 cricket.

If they had brains, which they don't.

whatever haddin brings us in runs, he usually loses in missed opportunities.

still when the opposition score 400, 250 looks better than 210, thank you haddin for your 40 runs, it doesn't counter your 100 opportunity loss from missed chances

even hartley at 29 ish? is better at keeping than haddin.

I think wayne phillips keeping was the only one worse than haddins in the past 25 odd years at international level, i'd take boonie over haddin tbh for us.

white in 50 over cricket, last 20 games.
22, dnb, 17, 63, 22, 33, 54, 25*, 50%, 6, 42, 10, 86*, 12, 17, 20, 89*, 0, 35, dnb.

hardly not contributing, also he's one of our premier fielders so he's worth a few in the field as well.

 

[Marklar_33]

George Bailey over Aaron Finch, but you dont rebuild 30 days out from a World Cup

Oh, and Haddin deservs to play this World Cup, but after that, hang up the gloves and concentrate all your energies on Test cricket. If you dont improve there, then GTFO next Australian summer

 

[mattymac]

What the ODI team should be:

1. S. Watson - No brainer selection.
2. B. Hodge - Goes against youth policy but I don't think we should open with any one else and he is the best OD batsman in Australia.
3. A. Finch - One of the best OD bats around and a perfect age.
4. T. Pain (VC) - The best keeper batsman we have.
5. M. Clarke (C) - Will need to make runs.
6. M. Hussey - Here to save the day Bevan style.
7. D. Christian - damaging in form bat and a top wicket taker.
8. S. Smith - Is an allrounder, Hauritz who is now an allrounder is very close next in line here.
9. B. Lee - Can bat a bit and leeds the attack.
10. P. Siddle - Can bowl lines now.
11. M. Starc - The only left armer in Aust who swings the ball at good pace.

not sure if serious

 

[1990crow]

I'm not all that excited by any side consisting of Clarke. Bollinger isn't up to it.

 

[gbatman]

George Bailey over Aaron Finch, but you dont rebuild 30 days out from a World Cup

Oh, and Haddin deservs to play this World Cup, but after that, hang up the gloves and concentrate all your energies on Test cricket. If you dont improve there, then GTFO next Australian summer

Why not rebuild, the side we have is not the best side and is not good enough to win the cup. We will find that out.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Can't understand the selection of Lee at the expense of Pattinson.

You can"t???

Thought it'd be obvious given he's our best ODI bowler and the World Cup is on next month.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Why not rebuild, the side we have is not the best side and is not good enough to win the cup. We will find that out.

You're not going to re-build this close to the World Cup. Wouldn't be smart. We are not without a chance. If you put someone new in it's because he can win you a game right now, nothing else. Rebuilding starts after.

 

[kidgorgeous]

You're not going to re-build this close to the World Cup. Wouldn't be smart. We are not without a chance. If you put someone new in it's because he can win you a game right now, nothing else. Rebuilding starts after.

Well done. Australia are still ranked number one yes? Review to take place when the dust has settled. Pick a side now and stick with them until the Cup begins. No 'resting' players for a match or two. Don;t pick flavour of the month players. Pick the side, let them gel together (not Smith's hair) for the rest of the England series and attack the World Cup with everything they have.

 

[gbatman]

You're not going to re-build this close to the World Cup. Wouldn't be smart. We are not without a chance. If you put someone new in it's because he can win you a game right now, nothing else. Rebuilding starts after.

You don't get it, This is rebuilding the side and also the best side we can produce. The side we had in the first test would get shat all over by the side I have named. We only beat England because of Watson. With out him we would have got smashed.

The side I listed in the OP might be a rebuilding side but it's also the best ODI side we can produce.

Haddin, Johnson and Bollinger should not be in the side, they are poor cricketers and really poor ODI players. Doherty, Clarke, White and Dave Hussey are just battlers and not really up to it.

Dan Christian, Hauritz, Pain, Finch and Hodge are one day cricketers and very good ones. They are better than they players playing in their place.

Hauritz is miles ahead of Doherty, Finch is ahead of D. Hussey and Clarke, Hodge is ahead of white and D. Hussey. Christian is ahead of Hussey, Clarke and White.

Nothing about Johnson suggests he's suited to ODIs. Bowls puss. Bollinger bowls too many bad balls and is not a wicket taker and definatly not an ODI player.


The only quicks to play ODI cricket should be:
Lee, Tait, Hilfenhaus, Nannes, McKay, Starc.

In fact I would strongly consider dropping Clarke for Hussey. Hussey is a better ODI player than Clarke at the moment.

Well done. Australia are still ranked number one yes? Review to take place when the dust has settled. Pick a side now and stick with them until the Cup begins. No 'resting' players for a match or two. Don;t pick flavour of the month players. Pick the side, let them gel together (not Smith's hair) for the rest of the England series and attack the World Cup with everything they have.

Pick the wrong side, a load of unsuitable and out of form players and the dust settles and the worl cup will be no where near us.

Same thing with the ashes. Picked a load of out of form players and the wrong players and we couldn't put up a fight.

Bad selections + Reactive selections = Australian Cricket

 

[benny_cousins]

White has been our best batsman the last 18 months or so. Pretty sure his average over that time has been around 45. He's recent form is not too bad either.

India
DNB
89no off 62
DNB

Sri Lanka
0 0ff 1
35 off 71
DNB

England
25no of 23

Not a lot of opportunaties but an average of 74.5 in the last 3 series is not what I'd call bad form.

Also I'm not sure why you would want to rebuild a side in a world cup.

 

[aussierulesrules]

White has been our best batsman the last 18 months or so. Pretty sure his average over that time has been around 45. He's recent form is not too bad either.

India
DNB
89no off 62
DNB

Sri Lanka
0 0ff 1
35 off 71
DNB

England
25no of 23

Not a lot of opportunities but an average of 74.5 in the last 3 series is not what I'd call bad form.

Please don't let the truth/facts ruin this good story.

 

[Jimthegreat]

You don't get it, This is rebuilding the side and also the best side we can produce. The side we had in the first test would get shat all over by the side I have named. We only beat England because of Watson. With out him we would have got smashed.

The side I listed in the OP might be a rebuilding side but it's also the best ODI side we can produce.

Haddin, Johnson and Bollinger should not be in the side, they are poor cricketers and really poor ODI players. Doherty, Clarke, White and Dave Hussey are just battlers and not really up to it.

Dan Christian, Hauritz, Pain, Finch and Hodge are one day cricketers and very good ones. They are better than they players playing in their place.

Hauritz is miles ahead of Doherty, Finch is ahead of D. Hussey and Clarke, Hodge is ahead of white and D. Hussey. Christian is ahead of Hussey, Clarke and White.

Nothing about Johnson suggests he's suited to ODIs. Bowls puss. Bollinger bowls too many bad balls and is not a wicket taker and definatly not an ODI player.


The only quicks to play ODI cricket should be:
Lee, Tait, Hilfenhaus, Nannes, McKay, Starc.

In fact I would strongly consider dropping Clarke for Hussey. Hussey is a better ODI player than Clarke at the moment.



Pick the wrong side, a load of unsuitable and out of form players and the dust settles and the worl cup will be no where near us.

Same thing with the ashes. Picked a load of out of form players and the wrong players and we couldn't put up a fight.

Bad selections + Reactive selections = Australian Cricket

You pick Siddle, leave White out and I don't get it? Friggin hell. We are not re-building a side a month out. Too late for that. Most of these guys won the last Champions Trophy. ODIs are different so get your brain out of the Test matches. I'd have gone a couple different, like Hopes for Hastings, maybe Marsh in there somewhere but generally the battings's ok in this form of the game. Smith's needed on the sub-continent for a second spinning option. The bowling has a pile of injuries so we are hamstrung.We'd like Harris and McKay in there but it's not possible. Hlifenhaus has had a poor year. You did realise McKay and Starc were injured didn't you? The rest of us did. BTW both Hussey's are in the team, with Clarke, When you said you'd drop Clarke for Hussey. They were on Sunday just in case you didn't know....lol! Is Finch better than Dussey in the 50 over game? Say not. Indian's rate Dussey even in 20/20 given they bid $1.4 million for him. Do you know Clarke's record in the 50 over game. 2010 it was alot better than his Test performances. Then you want to drop white. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suggest before you tell someone they don't "get it" I suggest you look in the mirror first as you're struggling.

 

[wogsrus]

Anybody that doesn't think Brett Lee warrants selection is an A-Grade fool.

Siddle bowled well in the Ashes for sure, but is far from being consistent in the one day game. Though, l think he should be in the squad at the expense of Bollinger.

 

[gbatman]

Well Whit did have a go for once when he had to the other night and it looked good. Thing about white is he's an above batsman with limited shots and easy to tie down. He has not made a lot of runs of late for the Vics either. He is a gamble to take like every player with no form. At least he is a worthy gamble as it looks like he could get going.

Cricket Australia 15 Man Squad - My 15 man squad

Ricky Ponting - Ponting, Fair well tour i feel, could wack a few scores.

Michael Clarke - Hodge, Best OD bat in Aust and he's not even in!

Doug Bollinger - Starc, I like Douggie but he's a fast medium who is wayward and not a wicket taker or swinger of the ball.

Brad Haddin - Haddin, Back up, can't keep, Would nearly have Wade but Haddin is slightly a better slogger.

Jon Hastings - Dan Christian, Hastings is a fine player but not as good as Christian by a fair bit.

Nathan Hauritz - Hauritz, Should never have been exhiled in the frst place, is just about an all-rounder.

David Hussey - D. Hussey, Handy all rounder, could be better suited over there.

Michael Hussey - M. Hussey, Hey, he's made runs.

Mitchell Johnson - Johnson, only because it's india and he goes ok on dry tracks.

Brett Lee - Lee, Still a good ODI bowler.

Tim Paine - Pain, should be number 1.

Steven Smith - Smith, Still got that potential, needs to be bowled more.

Shaun Tait - Tait, can be a match winner or a disaster, needs to be tried.

Shane Watson - Watson, our best player by miles, wins matches for us.

Cameron White - White, if he's made to have a go he might come good. He needs to come good.

Yeah I'd be more inclined to leave Siddle out and go with the Tait, Lee Starc combo over there and see how that goes but if it comes out that we need a guy to hit the seam and bowl lines at first change we will need Siddle. Then again Watson and Christian should be able to bowl tight lines if needed so Siddle is probably not required.


The thing is you can always play 3 quicks, Tait, Starc and Lee, and play all rounders Watson, Christian, Smith, Hauritz and Dave Hussey. This gives us a very long tail and loads of spin and medium pace which is suited in india, as is the quick swing bowling start with the new ball.

You'd be tempted to go:
1. S. Watson
2. B. Hodge
3. A. Finch
4. Ponting (C) (OR D. Hussey/White)
5. Pain (VC)
6. M. Hussey
7. D. Christian
8. S. Smith
9. B. Lee
10. N. Hauritz
11. M. Starc

This way you hav batting power right down to 10 which means we should be posting scores over 300, which means pressure on the opposition batsmen, which means the spinners are really likely to get wickets.