Open the cheque book Eddie

[MarkT]

OK, now I understand.

Its just an assumption we have room in our cap, but no one other than the club, actually knows for sure.

So I can dismiss this thread then, yep got it now

Put it this way. The ages and status of our players on the back of the retirements of Buckley and Clement with Rocca and Burns on the veterans list would mean that if we do not have a truck load of room in our salary cap then we would have to have been unbelievably inept. So inelt that there is no point ever discussing list issues becasue we would be incapable of ever paying a premiership squad under the cap.

We MUST have plenty of cap space. It is virtually inconcievable that we don't.

We SAID we had the space for Judd after previously making substantial offer to Brown, Power and Dal Santo.

I can’t quote you figures and not can I prove the sun will definitely rise to morrow morning. Nor can I prove to you that Josh Fraser won’t become ore athletic, harder and more competitive by September. If you are going to go through your life requiring a Jury of 12 good men to prove everything to you though you are not going to do much decisive in your life.

I am sure you know enough about how it works to understand we must have plenty of cap space if we need it.

 

[Kirby]

I am sure you know enough about how it works to understand we must have plenty of cap space if we need it.

Bingo!!

 

[Lestat]

That's mainly because the actual amount on players contracts are confidential so nobody knows exact numbers.

There is a safe assumption though that because of the retirements of A graders plus a team of very young players that there is a considerable amount of room. One problem we do have though is there is some future superstars in our side such as Pendles, Thomas, Heater etc that will be looking at some reasonable large pay rises in the next few years. We must have room to allow for this and not use what is left now on a Brown type.

Saying that last year in the discussions on possibly getting Judd it was proposed that it would be possible to front load a contract so the superstar would be getting more now and less later to allow for that money later to go to other players. I'm sure that Carlton are doing something like that right now.

Unfortunately I don't think you can front load on contracts that are yet to be signed (future contracts that is).

 

[Chase the Ace]

I am sure you know enough about how it works to understand we must have plenty of cap space if we need it.

No, I don't know that, but I accept that you believe you do.

I have no real idea what our players contracts are or how much of the cap we are paying, but you have the information at hand and I'm prepared to accept your greater knowledge on the subject.

So do you think we should have a crack at Brown, I understand he wants $6 million for 5 years, could we also fit Kerr in, I think he wants $3 million for 3 years? Throw in Benny for say $300,000 per year.
That adds up to an extra $2.5 mill a year.
Can we fit that in

 

[shawthing09]

now by the look of the thread title you would probably think i'm a very cynical collingwood supporter who is only upset at losing to carlscum yesterday and jumping the gun, but not so.

firstly i know that the days of "buying" players are over but i feel we should open up the cheque book and offer sh1tloads at both J Brown and B Fevola. yesterday clearly showed that we lack a genuine big man in our forward line capable of kicking a bag of 6+ in a game.

i love travis cloke but he's not that type of forward and probably wont ever be. and rocca is sadly almost finished if not already.

chris dawes?? who knows, hes hasnt played a game yet.
will nathan brown end up a forward?? maybe, but hes not the answer either!!

geelong - mooney
hawthorn - franklin
carlton - fevola
brisbane - brown

i dont think carlton or brisbane are a chance of a flag, just making a point that those teams are where they are due to those guys in large parts.

western bulldogs, sydney and adelaide dont have one (power tall forward) which is also why they probably cant go all the way.

fevola and brown are available right now, and although its unlikely they will move i really, really, really hope we are making a play at them.

like i said i dont expect us to buy players or even sell our sole, but gotta find a way to get one of these blokes.

bottom line i feel we get one of them we win a flag in next 3 years.

just my opinion guys...seize the opportunity pies!

I am sorry but in my opinion your assesment is just not right. Fowards are the last thing that worry us and often average fowards look better if their midfield is on top, Fev is testemant to that yesterday he tore us apart when their midfield tore us apart and could deliver with ease to him.

Our midfield is the area that really needs addressing.

As for your assements of fowards WCE won it with a superb midfield and average foward line, i don't know to many sides that have one the flag based around their awesome foward line. Mooney is hardly a superstar foward. His a hard working foward who gets a lot of very very good delivery and gets a lot of oppertunities to kick bags becasue the ball is in the foward line so often.

Cloke is getting better deeper. Reid's height and athletism give him the potential to be an extremely difficult foward to match up on the ease in which he blew waite away on the lead once yesterday shows that. We really need to address midfielders with the ability to do the bullocking inside work and use it well and give our fowards better service.

 

[Bloben]

Unfortunately I don't think you can front load on contracts that are yet to be signed (future contracts that is).

What I was getting at is just say currently we have about $1.5M of room in the cap and we made a deal to get a player (say Kerr) and pay that player $1M per year for 4 years. We could then pay Kerr that $4M over 4 years but front load the payments so they get 1.5M first year, 1.2M second, 800K third and 500K fourth year so the other $1M of cap space can be spread over the other players who will want more money by that stage.

 

[MarkT]

No, I don't know that, but I accept that you believe you do.

I don’t believe I know and never said I did.

In your opinion, is it reasonable to believe we should have cap space? Knowing what you know about the ages of the players, the status of the players in the game, the results achieved and the abilities of our administration do you not believe it is a reasonable assumption?

So do you think we should have a crack at Brown, I understand he wants $6 million for 5 years,

A crack – yes. Make an offer that will keep Brisbane honest. Let him use us again. We kept them honest last time and along with Power it would have been part of the salary cap problems they have with Voss, Michael and others. I don’t think we would be a snowflakes of getting him and I am not even sure he’d be worth it given our list structure and his body but I’d be happy to play the game.

could we also fit Kerr in, I think he wants $3 million for 3 years?

So you are prepared to take unfounded speculation about Kerr’s want (and Brown’s) but not Collingwood’s payments? Anyway, I’d be more than happy to pay Kerr $4m for 5 years to get him over if he was out of contract and we had a bit more bargaining power but he still have a year to run if the media are correct. He is precisely what our midfield needs though. Then a hard clearance player that can kick and a ruckman.

Throw in Benny for say $300,000 per year.

Yeh if we could somehow be convinced he was going to stay off the Uncle Dougs.

That adds up to an extra $2.5 mill a year.
Can we fit that in

Dunno. Cousins and Kerr in the right circumstances for $1.1 p.a.should be doable with the trades required for Kerr and if need be a bit of restructuring. It’s a fair but less than we would have paid Buckley and Clement last year I would imagine.

While we are on a roll, I’d be more than happy to squeeze in the difference between Cox and Fraser’s salary and win a flag.

Cox, Kerr and a straight Cousins would be fantastic. Whatever we need to clear would be worth it IMO and is we had to bank a bit pending the next TV deal the why the hell not?

 

[Chase the Ace]

I don’t believe I know and never said I did.

In your opinion, is it reasonable to believe we should have cap space? Knowing what you know about the ages of the players, the status of the players in the game, the results achieved and the abilities of our administration do you not are my believe is a reasonable assumption?A crack – yes. Make an offer that will keep Brisbane honest. Let him use us again. We kept them honest last time and along with Power it would have been part of the salary cap problems they have with Voss, Michael and others. I don’t think we would be a snowflakes of getting him and I am not even sure he’d be worth it given our list structure and his body but I’d be happy to play the game. So you are prepared to take unfounded speculation about Kerr’s want (and Brown’s) but not Collingwood’s payments? Anyway, I’d be more than happy to pay Kerr $4m for 5 years to get him over if he was out of contract and we had a bit more bargaining power but he still have a year to run if the media are correct. He is precisely what our midfield needs though. Then a hard clearance player that can kick and a ruckman. Yeh if we could somehow be convinced he was going to stay off the Uncle Dougs. Dunno. Cousins and Kerr in the right circumstances for $1.1 p.a.should be doable with the trades required for Kerr and if need be a bit of restructuring. It’s a fair but less than we would have paid Buckley and Clement last year I would imagine.

While we are on a roll, I’d be more than happy to squeeze in the difference between Cox and Fraser’s salary and win a flag.

Cox, Kerr and a straight Cousins would be fantastic. Whatever we need to clear would be worth it IMO and is we had to bank a bit pending the next TV deal the why the hell not?

Yes, clearly it is incumbent on Eddie and the Board to keep Brisbane honest in their internal contract negotiations with their own players.
I think we have a sub committee that deals with every club in the AFL in the same way.


So, I still can't work out if we can we fit $2.5 mill in or not?
Then on top of that the difference between Cox and Fraser, say another $250,000 to cross over to us.
So all up $2.75 mill.

Is that yes or no?

 

[Dave The Man]

Could have a Shot at Warnock?

 

[Chase the Ace]

Could have a Shot at Warnock?

That's probably the best suggestion in this entire thread DTM, which says more about this thread than your suggestion

 

[HFF]

Could have a Shot at Warnock?

Alot has been said of Warnock, yet I'm not convinced.

Is it really worth us trading away picks this year in a draft that runs pretty deep?

We traded pick 14 last year for Wood, so we have a developing ruckman and we are going to rookie list another at season's end in Lachlan Keefe. We may even end up drafting another.

I'm happier to go to the draft table and let Hine add to our current crop of youngsters.

Only trade for established players like Kerr or Brown- if they become available which is doubtful.

 

[Koki Freelander]

I think Collingwood have a good young list. Consolidate now. Any star we get for next season will be one more strong kid like Wellingham or Thomas that we can't re-sign in 4 years.

Ben Reid looks to be taking a step forward. Lets invest in the current group! And get behind them despite the bad taste in our mouth after yesterday.

 

[Gopies 2002]

No, I don't know that, but I accept that you believe you do.

I have no real idea what our players contracts are or how much of the cap we are paying, but you have the information at hand and I'm prepared to accept your greater knowledge on the subject.

So do you think we should have a crack at Brown, I understand he wants $6 million for 5 years, could we also fit Kerr in, I think he wants $3 million for 3 years? Throw in Benny for say $300,000 per year.
That adds up to an extra $2.5 mill a year.
Can we fit that in

I will put it another way for you. If we don't have significant cap room our footy admin is a freaking joke.

The Hawks from reports have a fair chunk of cap room, yet have Hodge, Franklin, Mitchell, Croad, Crawford, Brown to name but a few.

We have just lost Bucks, Clem and Licca. We have a squad with only a couple of "star" players (and I am using that term very loosely). If we couldn't find significant room to fit in a couple of high profile players we are kidding ourselves.

 

[HFF]

I think Collingwood have a good young list. Consolidate now. Any star we get for next season will be one more strong kid like Wellingham or Thomas that we can't re-sign in 4 years.

Ben Reid looks to be taking a step forward. Lets invest in the current group! And get behind them despite the bad taste in our mouth after yesterday.

I hear ya.

Great thing is we have locked away most or just about all of our young guns for the next 2-3 years which is exciting and a positive step for our future and we will also lock away some of our pivotal senior players in coming weeks I'd imagine like Didak.

Premiership sides aren't built overnight and take time. We look at Geelong as the benchmark and see they started their rebuild from 2001. It has taken them 5-6 years to get to where they are at now.

I think our rebuild started in 2004. Before that the only players we were able to select were basically Heath Shaw (F/S) and Swan.

Whilst many don't rate Egan because he is soft, I think he could be a very important and damaging player in our forward line. You just need to look back at his second half of 2006 where he averaged something like 15-16 disposals and 2 goals a game. With Didak spending much more time up the ground, he hasn't contributed 'heavily' on the scoreboard as in recent seasons. Bringing Egan in as a permanent forward/crumber is something we should look at.

So really, our rebuild has only been 4 years so far. Another good draft in a deep talent pool this season, coupled with 2 scholarship holders and the Irish recruits we have snared and the bigger picture is starting to take its place.

Patience is a virtue.


However, it would be negligent on our behalf if we didn't enquire about the availability of star players coming out of contract.

 

[swiftdog]

I want Benny!!

 

[Magpies696]

true everybody says that we have the most money as a club lets do something with it
training grounds dont win you games

 

[Chase the Ace]

I think Collingwood have a good young list. Consolidate now. Any star we get for next season will be one more strong kid like Wellingham or Thomas that we can't re-sign in 4 years.

Ben Reid looks to be taking a step forward. Lets invest in the current group! And get behind them despite the bad taste in our mouth after yesterday.

Yep, if we are going to trade, then trade for draft picks.

 

[sneakydaycrawler]

I hear ya.

Great thing is we have locked away most or just about all of our young guns for the next 2-3 years which is exciting and a positive step for our future and we will also lock away some of our pivotal senior players in coming weeks I'd imagine like Didak.

Premiership sides aren't built overnight and take time. We look at Geelong as the benchmark and see they started their rebuild from 2001. It has taken them 5-6 years to get to where they are at now.

I think our rebuild started in 2004. Before that the only players we were able to select were basically Heath Shaw (F/S) and Swan.

Whilst many don't rate Egan because he is soft, I think he could be a very important and damaging player in our forward line. You just need to look back at his second half of 2006 where he averaged something like 15-16 disposals and 2 goals a game. With Didak spending much more time up the ground, he hasn't contributed 'heavily' on the scoreboard as in recent seasons. Bringing Egan in as a permanent forward/crumber is something we should look at.

So really, our rebuild has only been 4 years so far. Another good draft in a deep talent pool this season, coupled with 2 scholarship holders and the Irish recruits we have snared and the bigger picture is starting to take its place.

Patience is a virtue.


However, it would be negligent on our behalf if we didn't enquire about the availability of star players coming out of contract.

Lol at you. Egan is the turnover king.

 

[Dynamics]

Sydney don't have one??? What do you call Barry Hall???

"Sir."

In the hope that he wouldn't smash me in the jaw when I wasn't looking.

 

[unplugged]

Ben Cousins to Collingwood FC in 2009 imo. He'll be as fit as ever, trying to prove to the country he's still one of the best. I'm sure he'd have a good enough relationship with Mick Malthouse for such move to happen... if that's enough ;P .

 

[fevtopies]

Fev, twice he has destroyed us, and when was the last time we had a player that was capable of winning the Coleman medal since Sav in his prime?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Let's get Benny Cousins. People are pointing out that he may go back to banned substances, however if I have to sit through another game like Sunday's, there won't be any left after I'm done.

 

[Stan.]

Be careful, getting cousins might damage our 'brand'.

 

[unplugged]

Be careful, getting cousins might damage our 'brand'.

Maybe, but I think in the long run it would pay dividends. We need a 'superstar' in the midfield after losing Bucks..

 

[Dundalis]

I'd still throw the Eagles whatever we can to get Daniel Kerr. He's what 24? And at his best probably as good as Ablett and Judd, or marginally behind. I'd give them Reid, our 1st rounder and Dane Swan to get him. Though I know Malthouse wouldn't. Cousin's doesn't excite me particularly. He'd have maybe two good years left in him, and a chunk of that would be taken out for the time he'd need to get back into the flow of AFL footy after a year out. Not to mention all the potential off-field risks. I'd rather see what McCarthy and Dyas can do next season than get Cousin's.