Our defence

[slappy]

They didnt! If that actually mattered to who should win the game why even bother kicking for goal just mark it inside 50 and your job is done.

Last time I checked I didnt realise there was a stat colum for "what ifs"

yeh good post! thats worth reading twice

if they kick straight then we might just lose but hey as you say thats no concern at all

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

yeh good post! thats worth reading twice

if they kick straight then we might just lose but hey as you say thats no concern at all

Shock horror players missing set shots!

Thats football, you cant take away anything from the winning side because their opponents missed some set shots.

 

[Stiffy_18]

hmmm let me put it this way then, i think the swans had enough set shots to win that game. ditto for the collingwood game.

Care to tell us where those shots came from

 

[slappy]

Care to tell us where those shots came from

from memory - maxfield, goodes, oloughlin, hall, spriggs, davis all had set shots ... plus there were a few out on the fulls amongst that lot.

just on davis, have you ever known him to have that much of the ball and not score a single goal?

 

[outback jack]

Jack jack jack just when I thought you might not of been as big of a tool as I had you pigeonholed you as you come up with this.
I am getting sick of your constant negativity even on the thread about supporting breast cancer you went all negative on it.

Rutten has played less than 15 odd games and he was playing against one of the premier forwards in the comp and kept him to 2 goals.
Who cares if he had help from Nathan Bassett on occasions, so he should, thats what good defences do.

Rutten not only held BBB to 2 goals but he also provided plenty of run out of the back lines while BBB just sat on his arse while the game was there to be won. On many occasions Rutten lead BBB to the ball, he is a rookie for FS and you are still critisizing his game.

I saw the incident you are referring too about the Swan player getting into his face after the siren. What do you reccomend? hit him? start a fight? The siren had gone, play had stopped, Truck just walked off and I think that was the best thing to do.

If that is the best you can do Jack I suggest you give it a rest for a while because that is a ******** poor attempt.

thankyou for your criticism, i will bear it in mind. If you read what i actually said it wasnt negative at all, just a slight criticism. In response to your points

I thought he expected alot of bassett and could have done more in the body constests considering this is his strength.

I wasnt bagging him, just saying i was a little disappointed. I pointed out he is a much better option than what we've had. Overall our back six looks less vulnerable with him there.

It was hardly an incident, but the swans midfielder was trying to intimidate rutten, i expect him to put him in his place. Nothing silly of course.

And it wasnt the best i can do, it was an observation. If you do not agree with what i say then either say it how you saw it, or there is the ignore button if you feel its needed.

thats it........

 

[just maybe]

Funny slappy, you are all worried about them scoring points that could have been goals?

Turn the argument around, numbnuts, and it works for us as well. We've missed plenty of shots, we still have one of the worst conversion rates in the comp...so equally we should have been further ahead in these games.

Don't be stupid by equating shots made to us being close to losing the game. It tells nothing. An utterly ridiculous criticism.

 

[Stiffy_18]

from memory - maxfield, goodes, oloughlin, hall, spriggs, davis all had set shots ... plus there were a few out on the fulls amongst that lot.

just on davis, have you ever known him to have that much of the ball and not score a single goal?

No I wasn't after the names but more the positions those socring shots in all games have been taken from.

The point I am trying to make is that yes opposition are getting their shots and no one can expect us to stop them having their fair share of scoring shots. However, what makes a good defence is not letting their opposition get many scoring shots in easy positions. Our defenders push their men wide to the flanks and its bloody hard to get a score from there. We should know, we did it a lot last year . Yes opposition are getting their shots but one thing that has really impressed me about our defence is that when they do concede shots at goal, more often than not they are from very difficult angles

Davis played the first half as a loose man across half back. Johncock was his opponent and he played loose in our backline. His possesions were inflated because he was "kick chasing" as a loose man. When he was moved forward, I didn't feel like he was overly effective.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Funny slappy, you are all worried about them scoring points that could have been goals?

Turn the argument around, numbnuts, and it works for us as well. We've missed plenty of shots, we still have one of the worst conversion rates in the comp...so equally we should have been further ahead in these games.

Don't be stupid by equating shots made to us being close to losing the game. It tells nothing. An utterly ridiculous criticism.

Do you have to get personal with him. Argue the point but why the insults??????

 

[NikkiNoo]

ok haven't seen the game yet (c'mon parents send it over!) and am basing this of my memories of Hall but just on the rutten should have used his body more discussion - isn't that what Hall loves best - a good old wrestle where he has control and can then shove the defender away when he needs. He does lead well as well which is why he is such a dangerous forward, but when there are the wrestles he will win most of these due to his experience and body size / technique. But he rates Bassett as the hardest FB he has ever played on - why? probably because Bassett does not do the wrestle as much, will use his brain to punch the ball away or get to the ball first and out position his opponent - maybe Truck and Bassett had a little conversation before the game on the best way to play Hall and Truck was playing to how bassett has beaten him before to an extent. I see no problems with Bassett coming into help - we expect our other defenders to do just that and if he hadn't we would be after Bassett's head for not backing up / helping his team mate.

just my opinion

 

[Stiffy_18]

ok haven't seen the game yet (c'mon parents send it over!) and am basing this of my memories of Hall but just on the rutten should have used his body more discussion - isn't that what Hall loves best - a good old wrestle where he has control and can then shove the defender away when he needs. He does lead well as well which is why he is such a dangerous forward, but when there are the wrestles he will win most of these due to his experience and body size / technique. But he rates Bassett as the hardest FB he has ever played on - why? probably because Bassett does not do the wrestle as much, will use his brain to punch the ball away or get to the ball first and out position his opponent - maybe Truck and Bassett had a little conversation before the game on the best way to play Hall and Truck was playing to how bassett has beaten him before to an extent. I see no problems with Bassett coming into help - we expect our other defenders to do just that and if he hadn't we would be after Bassett's head for not backing up / helping his team mate.

just my opinion

Your analysis regarding Hall is spot on but when people say he didn't wrestle, what they are saying is that on 3 or 4 occasions, in one of one contests, Hall just outsmarted Rutten with his positioning. In some cases Rutten was not looking at the ball and just looked for Hall.

I really rate Rutten BUT on 3 or 4 occasions he got really caught out by Hall. I am sure when you get the tape you will know what we are talking about

 

[GoSarge]

Hold on a second...when Ayres did it he was abused and harangued and told he was mistreating McLeod...but it's a stroke of genius by Craig?

When you have a midfield deficiency, it is a stupid move. When you have coverage from Reilly, Thompson and sare I say it, Skipworth, you can afford to play the likes of Mcleod and Roo in defence and up forward respectively.

 

[slappy]

The point I am trying to make is that yes opposition are getting their shots and no one can expect us to stop them having their fair share of scoring shots.

ofcourse i agree. now due to some strange remarks made by others, ill clarify my position.

firstly what i am NOT saying:

a) i wanted the swans to win
b) our defence is rubbish
c) no team should ever take marks against us anywhere ever
d) no team should ever kick goals against us anywhere ever


onto my point:

now this thread started with ppl saying how great our defence is. now what i said originally was that the swans had enough marks inside 50 to win the game.

now at this point im thinkin "hmmm not a too radical comment" but no apparently its crazy.

it follows a logical argument that if the opposition have enough set shots from inside 50 to win (in my opinion!), not only this game but the pies game too, then our defence isnt so great in this one area.

However, what makes a good defence is not letting their opposition get many scoring shots in easy positions.

yeh take your point on this but i do remember 2 uncontested marks right front of goal.

 

[snakebite01]

from memory - maxfield, goodes, oloughlin, hall, spriggs, davis all had set shots ... plus there were a few out on the fulls amongst that lot.

just on davis, have you ever known him to have that much of the ball and not score a single goal?

You could do the same for us though. From memory - Perrie, Mattner, Hudson, Riccuito, Doughty.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Funny slappy, you are all worried about them scoring points that could have been goals?

Turn the argument around, numbnuts, and it works for us as well. We've missed plenty of shots, we still have one of the worst conversion rates in the comp...so equally we should have been further ahead in these games.

Don't be stupid by equating shots made to us being close to losing the game. It tells nothing. An utterly ridiculous criticism.

Yawn. It must be a terrible burden when you're always right.

 

[AdelaideFan]

Personally I think Benny Rutten' game was close to the best I have seen him play. He took risks and left his man to lead to the ball. Benny has a great ability of reading the play as the ball is coming down the field. Also the way he ran off Barry was sensational. Seeing the big man ploughing down that outer wing giving the hands. Keep running and getting it back was fantastic. I hope Barry got a blast for not chasing.

Barry did appear to out muscle him at times. He got in a better position and Bassett had to come over and punch. That was great to see. Bassett even though he was on his own man still had the intiative to support his team team mate and punch the ball away. I even think in that contest Basset called to Benny that he had it and benny moved in front of the contest to mop the ball up from the ground. Getting front and centre for the spill.

 

[just maybe]

Yawn. It must be a terrible burden when you're always right.

It is in this case, when I am right.