Our list is 'pure'

[vjknight]

Re: Our List Is PURE

Your kidding yourself! Collingwood are one of the worst for trying to buy premierships, grabbing players from other clubs.
Ball, Jolly, Krakouer, Tarrant, Brown, woewodin, etc as well as always chasing anyone who comes out of contract.

odd response when im praising this achievement, but anyway.

Ball, Jolly, (yep no doubt, and a success) Krakouer (yes former richmond, but was playing wafl), Tarrant (returning home to sick father, who did pass away this past weekend), Brown (delisted by north), woewodin (are you sure you wanna go back and discuss history ?

and as far as chasing ANYONE that comes out of contract, all i'll say is herald sun

 

[vinum coupe]

And lets face it. Geelong have always struggled to entice players to join them.
The Pies on the other hand generally dont.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Re: Our List Is PURE

You better hope Bathie doesn't make it then

Seriously though, totally agree on Setanta. Noooo.

Egan's another one who was still learning the game when he came to Geelong.

 

[bingle]

I actually think this is something to be proud of and even when Moons and Otto were there I like to mention how Geelong has very rarely many players from other clubs.

as opposed to teams like carlton and sydney that are constantly looking for other clubs talent to be successful i think it's great that most successful long term geelong players got their start there. Otto is really the only big exception from the current crop of talent.
like many i see Moons and Harley as geelong bred despite the fact their careers were born elsewhere.

 

[candiehappy]

I think VeeDubs has raised a great issue. I think the transition from young to senior players as a group, with only that rare injection of outside players, explains a lot of passion at the club. You can see it again with Bundy & Duncan talking about wanting their peer group to share in success.

That's a marginally different culture than O'Hailpin kicking his own team mate ..........

Even if O'Hailpin was any good, and I don't rate him highly, I wouldn't have him at our club for that attitude alone

 

[vinum coupe]

I thought I'd go hunting through history to see how our trading over the past decade stacks up.

There's nothing that exciting.

It does show that we definitely went from a method of trading players in to trading players out and getting draft picks.

It also showed how quiet every club became during the trade period for a few years.

Ins...
2001 Grgic, Lord
2002 Finnin (who ??....)
2003 Haynes, Loats
2004 Ottens
2005 Nil
2006 Nil
2007 Nil
2008 Nil
2009 Drum (and some handy picks that netted Cristensen, Vardy, Cowan)
2010 Nil

Outs
2001 Murphy (for a pick that was gardiner), Bizzell for picks that became Kelly and playfair
2002 Burns
2003 Street, D. Clarke.
2004 Moloney
2005 Nil
2006 Nil
2007 Playfair (for the pick that got Simpson), King, Gardiner, Callan
2008 Prismall (for the pick that got Motlop)
2009 Mummy (for the duncan pick)
2010 Djerrkura, Laidler ( picks GHS, Schroder)


Pretty much what that shows is the Trade period is full of fools gold.
Other than the 2004 trade of Moloney for Ottens we've neither gained or lost quality. (yes you can argue about mummy, but it wasn't our choice to trade him. and I'm quite happy with duncan thank you very much) And therefor have made no astute trade decisions in order to make us triple premiers.

Like I said, no revelations in that bit of research.

But I do like the fact that the Saints traded pick 17 to Freo for Heath Black.
And that pick ended up with us. Welcome J. Kelly.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just a couple of edits to your list VC:

Playfair was traded for the pick that got Scott Simpson (not Dawson) who only lasted 2 years on our list.

The Laidler thing can't strictly be said to be GHS and Schroder given we traded Laidler + 41 for 36 and 53, which meant we didn't use 57 that we received for Djerrkura. So in real terms we traded Laidler to upgrade 57 to 53 and 41 to 36.

Anyway, that aside, I think what it shows is we went through a period there, particularly when it came to potential key forward targets, where we went at it all scattergun, i.e. any middle of the road tall forward comes on the market, we try to get them. What I have liked since is a I don't think we've ever nor will we put away trading permanently, you never close the door, but we're much more selective about only trading for quality (e.g. Ottens) rather than that old scattergun. Allows us to focus on building our list through the draft which has to be the key way you do it, and only selectively trading for quality means you're less likely to bust with what you've outlayed in a trade.

 

[vinum coupe]

You are right.
And I was hesitant about including swapped picks etc because it just gets messy.

In one of those trades for instance we gave away pick 20.......twice.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Shouldn't get too carried away with this as no doubt in the future we will trade again.

The Saints were only a bad bounce away from a premiership with their re-hased list and Collingwood would not have won in 2010 without Jolly, Ball and Leigh Brown - so trades defniately have a lot of merit.

However, at the moment, we just have no reason or need to trade in the forseeable future!

 

[Partridge]

Re: Our List Is PURE

Egan's another one who was still learning the game when he came to Geelong.

But there's still a monumental difference between someone who had started playing footy in his teens to someone from overseas who had never played it at all.

I know which way I'd be leaning if I had a choice.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Shouldn't get too carried away with this as no doubt in the future we will trade again.

The Saints were only a bad bounce away from a premiership with their re-hased list and Collingwood would not have won in 2010 without Jolly, Ball and Leigh Brown - so trades defniately have a lot of merit.

However, at the moment, we just have no reason or need to trade in the forseeable future!

I Agree with that -no need at the moment but if in 5 or 6 years time where 10th or 11th on the ladder we will be trading . Some of Geelongs trading in the past -where we basically have given up nothing has been pretty successfull

Some which come to mind Liam Pickering best and fairest winner . Tim Mcgrath -200 servicable games . Brad Sholl reliable defender . Barnes came for no picks and played some good football for us . Glen Kilpatrick was another consistent performer . All of those cost us next to nothing and i would call that good trading

 

[couchy555]

Would we take a punt on Travis Tuck?

 

[Jemaine]

Re: Our List Is PURE

Egan's another one who was still learning the game when he came to Geelong.

This is completely untrue. Kid played footy from juniors.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Our List Is PURE

IMO that is an impressive achievement. i thought we had some pride in how weve developed our list mainly thru recruiting & development, but this is almost obsessive. it would be easily open to criticism, except for 3 little successes over the last 5 years

it is arguably the opposite to a club like carlton who continue to believe buying the supposed best players is the only way to go. despite their recent advantages from high draft picks they clearly have little idea on how to recruit or develop.

free agency will see a gradual end to this strategy surely.

Thanks , for the compliment. I don't think every club can do it the same way. Every club has to search for its own truth , what's at its core , what works for it.

Collingwood strives to be the best in everything.It saw Geelongs model of its own VFL side , thought it was better than what it had and changed to it. It searches far and wide for the best no-name talent and of course recruits the best kids it can in the draft. Money is not the issue , it demands best in class in everything , and in recruiting trade ins that should suit the Pies better than the pure development model.

It has some natural advantages that might make other clubs drool , it should have no trouble convincing players wanting to come to it. It plays almost exclusively at the home of football in front of big crowds and has all the science to back up the players that money can supply. Nothing is denied on a financial front so fro some players from other clubs it would look the place to be. ie, It makes sense for them to be more focused on trade ins than most of other clubs , the only issue till now was how to make the trades happen. Other clubs have shown a reticence to trade and . more often than not , the cost to get the player is seen as too high.

So , I predict , the introduction of FA will more likely effect Collingwood more than us. I see many more players 25,26 + getting immediate games at Collingwood and this may also see kids look for chances elsewhere.

Geelong will never be the club of choice for a Buckley type player , looking for the full blown AFL lifestyle. For a long time no player looked at us as the place to be. What we offer is a different AFL experience , one with still a bit of a taste of the footy the would have had growing up. A club with its own ground , its own area , its own sort of identity. It certainly doesn't deny them big games but it also blends it with playing games on the ground you train on. Perhaps even more of a family club than the one who calls itself the family club.

Its suits some players better than others. I certainly think were exactly the right fit for someone like Brad Ottens , maybe thats why the trade worked. Mostly players arrive via draft , some know little of Geelong but once bedded in , are happy here.

So , come FA. We might change a bit. If some players are looking at a change , perhaps not the big time change that a Pies move might be , but a slightly more boutique one , then perhaps we may get a few more players in trade. But I doubt it will be too many.