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Opinion Our starts and the patterns of our games

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Dec 14, 2008
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You don't have to be Colombo to realise we have issues with our first quarters currently, I've lost count of the games Ive sat there peering through the gaps between my fingers as the oppo piles on goal after goal, just thinking to myself it's OK, just hold the fort til quarter time then the grind begins. From here usually we clag it up, stem the bleeding , grind, win the contested ball, chip away at the score board, get back into the game then go kamikaze movement trying to win but it's not the most preferable method of winning a football game giving teams a head start every week.

Let's see the season so far

Rd1 let hawthorn pile on early goal's, grind back into the game but kept at arms length of around the first quarter damage

Rd2 let Adelaide pile on early goal's, never really recover but still kicked 100 points to suggest we did even up somewhat

Rd3 Port led early and for most of the game til we ran over them late

Rd4 Led Melbourne all day

Rd5 wce ran away to an early 5 goal lead, ground back into it and won late

Rd6 Coll ran off to an early lead, we ground back into it leading in the third but got over ran late

Rd7 standard close norf game

Rd8 led Sydney all day

Rd9 dogs ran away early, never recovered

Rd10 led Richmond all game

Rd11 Brisbane ran away early, ground back into the game, took the lead but overran late

Rd12 Carlton ran away early, ground back into the game, looked the better team but couldn't get our nose Infront.

So outside of 4 games against poor teams we were jumped at the start and had to chase our tail getting back into the game, or folded up completely.

So that's the how and the when.... the why?

Why is it happening? Why do we start like crabs, why are we mostly able to redress it after quarter time?

While I'd like to think Scott and co are coaching geniuses, and a simple quarter time rev up, or a few positional tweaks are all that's needed- we know this probably isn't it.

More likely we have a preferred best case game mode which we always start playing with while the slate is clean, but this method seems quite easy to negate and expose, after quarter time when we revert back to contests, pressure and blocking the opposition up (which should be our one wood) we start turning the game. When we start chasing the result late we get more expansive with forward handball but it's very kamikaze, either comes off big or exposes us big. When you have spent all your tickets getting back into a game, it usually only takes a goal or two the other way to knock it on the head, mentally and on the scoreboard.

So this exposes flaw number two, lack of on ground leadership. We can't seem to change up on the fly, we need a quarter time break for the coaches to do a reset. The players on ground don't seem to have the ability to know when and how to go to plan b. This was wholly evident vs Collingwood when the coaching box comms went down, we were balls deep in the game but stagnated while collingwood kicked away because their onfield leadership and methods are very intuitive. It's Asif we need to be constantly coached and tweaked and manoeuvred. I say this while understanding that we are an extremely young list but still , you need to acknowledge a gaping flaw that we have had forever and a day.

So...why can't we just start a game the way we start the second when we are 6 goals down?

I assume nobody wants to see a grinding, dour contested slug fest from opening whistle - teams, fans, the game wants goals and fluid movement. Maybe those days where you can try grind out a 6 goal to 8 victory are gone.

So outside of the reasons listed, it could just be a mental thing, just not mentally prepared from the first bounce - maybe they are like greyhounds and need a bunny to chase - immat a loss, so opening it up to the gallery.

Why do we start so poorly?
Can it be fixed?
Why do we have to ability after giving up a lead to get back into most games , and compete with most teams but can't do it from the start?
Why.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I think we're overcorrecting for the Adelaide game where we conceded 161 points. It's interesting that two of our highest 3 scores this year came in round 1 and 2 against two top 4 contenders.

I feel like we always start the game trying to defend by possessing the football. Not many risky, direct and attacking play. It unravels with skill error after skill error. The pressure of being behind makes us revert to a more attacking gameplan which seems more natural to the list profile than the over possessing football we play.

It isn't just how we start. When we built a commanding lead vs North and Sydney, we stopped playing direct and started over possessing which invited both sides back into the game.

I've speculated at times it may be to cover for a lack of fitness over 4 quarters, but I think overcorrecting our defensive performance vs Adelaide is closer to the truth. We're number 1 in the league for handballs and backward kicks, almost like the goal is to waste time so that we concede less. We always have significant patches where it's a stalemate until the skill error eventually comes.

It's why most of our final scores are in the 70s.
 
Maybe having a bunch of players under 20 years old and under 20 games experience doesn’t help. First goal of the night came from Kako having a minor concentration lapse with Saad.
 

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Maybe having a bunch of players under 20 years old and under 20 games experience doesn’t help. First goal of the night came from Kako having a minor concentration lapse with Saad.

Nah, I reckon youth would be an excuse for getting blown out, not for slow starts.

It is something we are not doing pre-game. That could be in terms of physical prep or mental prep or coaching prep.
 
Nah, I reckon youth would be an excuse for getting blown out, not for slow starts.

It is something we are not doing pre-game. That could be in terms of physical prep or mental prep or coaching prep.
Young blokes can be a bit nervous to start with. I suspect it is certainly a part of it.
 
I have experience coaching at elite level in other sports. Nerves hit all ages. Young guys will make mistakes throughout games due to brain fades.

I am still holding to a preparation problem.
And at the start. See Kako v Saad. Big game. 70,000 people. Number of young blokes. A few older guys who are nervy anyway. Few early turnovers. The number of young players who can be just off the pace. I am saying it is not just one thing. My coaching experience is at Div 1 level footy so two levels down from the elite plus knowing some coaches who have coached VFL and AFL.
 
Are we warming up too long? Or short? Fox made mention of the long warm up last night. It's an interesting problem and I have no solution but it could be one thing or 10 things.
 
And at the start. See Kako v Saad. Big game. 70,000 people. Number of young blokes. A few older guys who are nervy anyway. Few early turnovers. The number of young players who can be just off the pace. I am saying it is not just one thing. My coaching experience is at Div 1 level footy so two levels down from the elite plus knowing some coaches who have coached VFL and AFL.
Plus we always seem to give away silly 50m penalties for easy opp goals early. Saps any confidence then we seem to panic and start running around like scared emu's.

We don't have the ability to stem the tide with a bit of keepings off. Gut running to position is a problem too.
 
Strength element is my guess. So many young and small bodied players losing contests when they are still fresh. Once the game opens up a bit the kids who are pretty good aerobically can influence.
 
Probably a combination of things, but I also think it's at least partly a preperation issue. It's like we're not even there, teams just run through, or around us and players look VERY confused. We have shown multiple times that we can get back in it, so we're doing something right - maybe it's just a sign that everything will 'click' with more games played together and some more positional upgrades.
 

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As someone who coached Div 37 and under 9's boys basketball 20 years ago and also knows other coaches who did stuff in sports my opinion is obviously held higher than most and that opinion is we are just shit at the moment.
 
I think our opponents are just trying harder at the start, they take the foot off the gas and let us in and it becomes a bit of a grind after that.

Our biggest weakness is when our opponents try to beat us, it's a little annoying actually.

We'd be a good football team if all our opposition simply stopped trying to beat us
 
Lack of on field leadership.
8 or so players with under 15 games experience.
Season on the decline.
Probably a little something in the preparation.
Early skill errors / turnovers that take the wind out of the sails.
 

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I'd like to believe an element (among many) of it is young kids who don't know positioning, details of their opponents, where to stand and getting exposed early who then get some coaching pointers and tighten up as the game goes on.
 
I'd like to believe an element (among many) of it is young kids who don't know positioning, details of their opponents, where to stand and getting exposed early who then get some coaching pointers and tighten up as the game goes on.

It's been happening from Rd one when our best 22 wasn't full of young guys at all
 
% by Qtr
Q1: 54.66%
Q2: 112.87%
Q3: 85.86%
Q4: 100.00%

Q2-Q4: 97.70%

Wonder how much of that is opposistion teams taking the foot off the gas from being 5 goals up, if we were closer maybe our second quarters wouldn't be so good?

We've only lost 1 second quarter since round 2, the Dogs game.
 
Lack of on field leadership.
8 or so players with under 15 games experience.
Season on the decline.
Probably a little something in the preparation.
Early skill errors / turnovers that take the wind out of the sails.
A deadly combination. Sometimes it seems like we don't even have a chance to make skill errors/turnovers as we can't get our hands on the ball.
 

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