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Palmer - Botched Surgery
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Except it's actually not a minor complication.
Yeah source/link would be nice as Freos response to them is all I heard.
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As much as the wikipedian Journal of Medicine is well and good... I was referring to a source for Palmer's ailment, and its seriousness.
I, as much as anyone, would not like to trivialise it if Rhys is in strife. However, the over-reaction on here absent any actual confirmation is ludicrous. Similar to 48 hours ago when many on here assumed that Browney had bailed on the club, and that his personal issues could be made light of.
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Like I said in the OP.
The report on channel 9 makes complete sense, and is completely consistent with what I heard.
If it was purely a pain issue, he would be at home. Simple.
Wasn't going to say anything, but seeing as it is being broken on channel 9 tonight, might as well.
Had a PM saying he is still in hospital etc. Bad symptoms etc.
Sounds like he has a post operative infection, but we will wait and see.
That says sweet F.A.
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And the follow up post.
Well flouting amateur medical knowledge and "sources" hardly says much either.
Every surgery op/hospital stay/recovery is different. There are merely generalised views on certain things.
I'm not saying he is fine and everything went to plan... Quite simply I and you don't actually know the truth unless you are standing there in the room with him. If your on BigFooty, then you certainly are not. The fact that you have tried to fire up the "life threatening" possibilities and what other attention garnering stuff you can shows just plain and simple f**khead like thinking.
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Most probalby you're right (I wont argue against your sports injury knowledge, you seem to have a fair idea and I'm happy to admit I'm a relative novice). However, I've still not seen or heard a reliable source that says there has been a genuine complication such as a clot or otherwise.
Also, for the record, drains can go wrong too (I know of one such case which the drain itself, which wasn't done completely right, caused an infection itself, though it was relatively minor in the end it did slow down recovery) and I also know of a couple of recons that didn't use drains and they were 100% successful. A cousin of mine is a senior theatre nurse and she was telling me the other day that drains are becoming less popular these days (for reasons I don't quite know but I think its something to do with better general practices in infection control etc.) AFAIK, various surgeons make calls on them depending on their own preference and nature of injury etc. Anyway, I make the point to say that until we hear something official, its could be anything or even nothing at all ... here's me being hopeful anyway.
Having said all that, if its worst case I'll be seriously p****d off!!
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It's on channel 9 news again right now if people don't believe me FFS!
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It's not typical in knee recons.
But if he has bled on the table, it should have been done. If there was a drain in, and this still occurred... then it was obviously a pretty bad op.
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I'm sorry, but if you don't think serious thromboses are potentially life threatening with serious ramifications, then you are the one with the ****head like thinking.
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Yea just saw it. Well that certainly don't sound good, but still we won't know to what extent until a few days pass. If he's still in and they're talking serious pain in a few days time ... well that's very very bad news. Also, if he has to go on to blood thinners longish term, that will definitely slow down recovery from what I can gather. Still, the details are relatively hazzy at this stage so I guess we will stay tuned. In any case its a real sh*t of a thing
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Back before the last Soccer World Cup the poms had an image of Wanye Rooneys foot on line and everyone went to the website and "rubbed" it so to speak to help it heal so he could play at the world cup.
Perhaps we need and image of Rhys's knee and we can all "stroke" it to help it recover quicker for the 2010 season?
Perhaps we need and image of Rhys's knee and we can all "stroke" it to help it recover quicker for the 2010 season?
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I believe you Chops, but you have to consider that your source and Channel 9's source aren't independent, but perhaps originate from the same source, and perhaps false.
That said, it is probably true. Let's hope it's not.
should have come here to get it done, Melbourne that is
Yeah it's third world conditions over here. Like when James Hird hurt himself, they wanted to medi-vac him to Melb to get fixed up.
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I never said they aren't.
For starters someone is committing a serious breach of conduct of you are trying to tell me you have been sent this inside information.
It is completely unnecessary to say that.
You plain and simply have no idea more than any other sod on here so stop trying to beat it up like a journo. (are you craig hutchison?)
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I think you really need to step back into line sunshine.
For 1) The person I heard this from is not medical, and I did not hear any diagnosis. Hence my guess in the OP.
Secondly, I only posted this after I knew it was going to be reported on channel 9. I wouldn't have even bothered starting a thread otherwise. You honestly think someone else wouldn't have anyway?
And thirdly, I really fail to see how it is unnecessary to talk about the potential ramifications of what has happened. You know, if you want to float around in ignorant bliss for another 3 months, and perhaps sickened and potentially blindsided by the results that's fine by me. But a lot of people here don't seem to realise the significance, and simply do not know. So what harm is there in talking about it?
If you want to go back to my original commentary on the 9 news report, I said, "It's potentially life threatening." There is absolutely nothing incorrect in that statement.
I just hope he gets out healthily, and is not given permanent damage because of it. His football is pretty secondary at the moment, and will likely be for a while.
I think its pretty common for patients to have low dose of blood clotting agents before surgery to minimise blood loss. Some people react differently, sounds like Rhys has a thrombosis caused by these clotting agents, the subsequent restriction in the groin area is probably hindering the natural post op drainage of the knee.
As far as I know a thrombosis below the knee isn't considered particularly dangerous, however above the knee needs to be taken seriously and Im sure the medicos are doing that.
He will probably be on an anti coagulant such as Clexane for 6 months, this shouldn't hinder his rehab, the only concern is it is bloody tricky getting the coagulating properties of your blood stable when you are on such medications. You need blood tests weekly and dosage variations.
Saying its a botched operation with no real basis is a bit of a stretch. The hospitals and surgeons in Perth, whilst we complain about the system, are pretty good. Im sure they've done plenty of knee recos before.
Rhys is a fit young man, I would say he has a better chance than most of recovering fully!
Good luck young fella, he probably thought he'd be home by now sitting on the couch with his playstation.
As far as I know a thrombosis below the knee isn't considered particularly dangerous, however above the knee needs to be taken seriously and Im sure the medicos are doing that.
He will probably be on an anti coagulant such as Clexane for 6 months, this shouldn't hinder his rehab, the only concern is it is bloody tricky getting the coagulating properties of your blood stable when you are on such medications. You need blood tests weekly and dosage variations.
Saying its a botched operation with no real basis is a bit of a stretch. The hospitals and surgeons in Perth, whilst we complain about the system, are pretty good. Im sure they've done plenty of knee recos before.
Rhys is a fit young man, I would say he has a better chance than most of recovering fully!
Good luck young fella, he probably thought he'd be home by now sitting on the couch with his playstation.
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Thanks for a balanced and reasoned analysis, Polly.I think its pretty common for patients to have low dose of blood clotting agents before surgery to minimise blood loss. Some people react differently, sounds like Rhys has a thrombosis caused by these clotting agents, the subsequent restriction in the groin area is probably hindering the natural post op drainage of the knee.
As far as I know a thrombosis below the knee isn't considered particularly dangerous, however above the knee needs to be taken seriously and Im sure the medicos are doing that.
He will probably be on an anti coagulant such as Clexane for 6 months, this shouldn't hinder his rehab, the only concern is it is bloody tricky getting the coagulating properties of your blood stable when you are on such medications. You need blood tests weekly and dosage variations.
Saying its a botched operation with no real basis is a bit of a stretch. The hospitals and surgeons in Perth, whilst we complain about the system, are pretty good. Im sure they've done plenty of knee recos before.
Rhys is a fit young man, I would say he has a better chance than most of recovering fully!
Good luck young fella, he probably thought he'd be home by now sitting on the couch with his playstation.
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I think its pretty common for patients to have low dose of blood clotting agents before surgery to minimise blood loss. Some people react differently, sounds like Rhys has a thrombosis caused by these clotting agents, the subsequent restriction in the groin area is probably hindering the natural post op drainage of the knee.
As far as I know a thrombosis below the knee isn't considered particularly dangerous, however above the knee needs to be taken seriously and Im sure the medicos are doing that.
He will probably be on an anti coagulant such as Clexane for 6 months, this shouldn't hinder his rehab, the only concern is it is bloody tricky getting the coagulating properties of your blood stable when you are on such medications. You need blood tests weekly and dosage variations.
Saying its a botched operation with no real basis is a bit of a stretch. The hospitals and surgeons in Perth, whilst we complain about the system, are pretty good. Im sure they've done plenty of knee recos before.
Rhys is a fit young man, I would say he has a better chance than most of recovering fully!
Good luck young fella, he probably thought he'd be home by now sitting on the couch with his playstation.
Thanks for that.
It is just such a worry when our club has had a history of seemingly bad knee ops.
Michael
Longmuir
Webster
Palmer???
Bloody well hope not.
Thanks for that.
It is just such a worry when our club has had a history of seemingly bad knee ops.
Michael
Longmuir
Webster
Palmer???
Bloody well hope not.
I think it's a long bow to draw about bad knee operations to be honest.
I know that Michael was handled badly and the club subsequently paid some compensation to him for it.
As far as I remember with J-Lo is that he had lost all the cartilage in his knee. I'm fairly sure we exhausted all avenues in trying to find a cure/surgery to help him. He went overseas (Germany I think) and was eventually told it could not be fixed.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22679328-5005401,00.html
Not for lack of trying there.
Websters a bit on the Dunn and Browne side in regards to injuries. His knee obviously wasn't up to the rigours of full time AFL football.