Pat Howard has to go!!!

[greatwhiteshark]

For the life of me I cannot understand how this guy got the position in the first place and since his arrival there has been nothing but failure.
It is without question since he introduced the resting of players, the limits to how much they can bowl or train that we have had an influx of injuries, it is not a coincidence it is simply someone with to much power putting into place his beliefs which are being proven to be wrong.
Sports science has a place in every sport but it is completely controlling cricket and our players are always injured.
Mitch Marsh just a week ago was told to not bowl in a one day game because he had bowled 48 overs in 3 weeks.... WTF is that, any bowler not bowling that many balls in a week is simply not preparing well enough.
Now Mitch Starc is being rested for the last two days of the shield game, why? He needs to bowl to get ready to play a test.
Why is cricket Australia putting their faith in this guy when they have experts like Dennis Lillee, Glen Mcgrath etc who can help these guys.
Pat Howard is a blight on Aussie cricket and while he is there we will continue to have failure after failure, injury after injury.
Lehman has said he does not agree with his policy, yet the head coach of Australia is not having his voice heard.

 

[damochandler]

Apparently he may have applied for the same position at the aru and they said no thanks

 

[JackOutback]

A quote from Wasim Akram, who used to throw down balls for an hour or two, have a short break, then do the same for another hour.

“Times have changed a lot from the days when we used to play. These days there’s obviously too much cricket played and fast bowlers are more prone to injuries now than in our era,” the 49-year-old former national skipper told reporters. “At the same time I must say the youngsters nowadays don’t train as much we used to do. That’s why you see a vast number of injuries to pace bowlers in the modern age.”

 

[greatwhiteshark]

A quote from Wasim Akram, who used to throw down balls for an hour or two, have a short break, then do the same for another hour.

“Times have changed a lot from the days when we used to play. These days there’s obviously too much cricket played and fast bowlers are more prone to injuries now than in our era,” the 49-year-old former national skipper told reporters. “At the same time I must say the youngsters nowadays don’t train as much we used to do. That’s why you see a vast number of injuries to pace bowlers in the modern age.”

I think they also won't play with any pain and that is drilled into them not to. We would not even notify coaches about soreness, we would just play as no way in hell we wanted to miss a game.
Yes there is more formats of cricket but is there really much more cricket? A bowler bowls 4 overs in a 20/20 game which is a training warm up. And even if they play 20-30 of those games a year it is still not much bowling at all.

 

[The Passenger]

I always found the more I bowled the easier it was. I think you'll find most quick bowlers agree with that notion.

The proof is in the pudding for me - Ever since the sports science came on board we've never had more injuries to our quick bowlers. They've always happened - most famously Dennis Lillee. But the quantity and the severity is like nothing we've ever seen.

Jackson Bird - Barely had an injury in his life. Comes into the national squad. Since then he's missed almost the entire 13/14 shield season and half of the 15/16 shield season.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I think they also won't play with any pain and that is drilled into them not to. We would not even notify coaches about soreness, we would just play as no way in hell we wanted to miss a game.
Yes there is more formats of cricket but is there really much more cricket? A bowler bowls 4 overs in a 20/20 game which is a training warm up. And even if they play 20-30 of those games a year it is still not much bowling at all.

That is my question as well, given how rarely today's all-format international players play domestic cricket.
There are more off-season internationals and less games are in the FC format where a player might be able to spend all day in the sheds with a light net session. Especially tour games, which are now sometimes cut back to one two day game.
Due to the increase in 20 and 50 over cricket, there is also far more travel. Players fly in, train for a day, play, fly out to the next game and repeat. Both for ODIs and all the T20 leagues.

 

[damochandler]

It's a miserable failure and they would rather turn a blind eye to problem and continue destroy the integrity of the shield comp. now they tell the bushrangers not to leave maxwell out anymore. But they continue to pluck players out of shield games. Farcical

 

[The_Reaper]

I always found the more I bowled the easier it was. I think you'll find most quick bowlers agree with that notion.

The proof is in the pudding for me - Ever since the sports science came on board we've never had more injuries to our quick bowlers. They've always happened - most famously Dennis Lillee. But the quantity and the severity is like nothing we've ever seen.

Jackson Bird - Barely had an injury in his life. Comes into the national squad. Since then he's missed almost the entire 13/14 shield season and half of the 15/16 shield season.

Looking at Behrendorff and I think the selectors love of pace is part of it

He was a mid 130s bowler, caught the eye of the selectors, gained some pace and was injured ever since

 

[BStaff17]

Pulling blokes out of a first-class match so they can rest is a disgrace and is degrading first-class cricket and the fabric of the game.

 

[t_94]

Sutherland is well overdue as well. Whoever's bright idea it was to have a bunch of mostly teenagers play South Africa where only one batsman made over 6 needs to be asked questions of too.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I always found the more I bowled the easier it was. I think you'll find most quick bowlers agree with that notion.

The proof is in the pudding for me - Ever since the sports science came on board we've never had more injuries to our quick bowlers. They've always happened - most famously Dennis Lillee. But the quantity and the severity is like nothing we've ever seen.

Jackson Bird - Barely had an injury in his life. Comes into the national squad. Since then he's missed almost the entire 13/14 shield season and half of the 15/16 shield season.

Could not agree more mate, I would bowl for my pennant club for 2 hours Tuesday, 2 hours at State on a Wednesday and 1 Hour back at club on a Thursday then play Sat and a Sunday. Minor injuries always, sore most of the time but no one knew.
Like you the more I bowled the better I felt, I could not imagine bowling just 4 overs a week preparing to play.

 

[King Elvis]

Cricket Australia have been actively damaging Australian Cricket for years now, its insane.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Looking at Behrendorff and I think the selectors love of pace is part of it

He was a mid 130s bowler, caught the eye of the selectors, gained some pace and was injured ever since

You can't teach people to bowl fast, you either can or you can't. It is all about what muscle fibres you have.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

In the olden days with no limits the players with delicate frames, actions susceptible to injury and players unable to cope with pain would get found out as kids. Break down, get injured, never make it through the system.

The ones who emerged were the ones with robust frames and repeatable actions. They had the tools to handle a high workload.

Now the over restrictions protects young bowlers until they reach first class level. That's the first time they get physically tested. It's the first time anyone finds out that they aren't durable enough.

 

[Gavin Excell]

What exactly is his role?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What exactly is his role?

He is the GM of the high performance department for the Australian Cricket team and board. He basically runs cricket.

On 13 October 2011, he was announced as the GM, Team Performance – for the Australian Cricket Team.[9] This role, created to focus solely on team performance, was one of the key recommendations of the Don Argus led Australian Team Performance Review (ATPR) adopted by CA’s Board in August.

Howard has received some criticism for this role. Shane Warne said in 2013, Cricket Australia should "please put current cricket people in charge to run the game,select teams, not ex rugby or any other sports people" and called Howard a "muppet".[10]

In March 2013, following being temporarily dropped from the national team Shane Watson said Howard had not been involved in cricket long enough to pass comment on his commitment to the Australian team.

 

[Cleavy]

He and Sutherland are both cockroaches. They survive anything.

 

[Gavin Excell]

He is the GM of the high performance department for the Australian Cricket team and board. He basically runs cricket.

On 13 October 2011, he was announced as the GM, Team Performance – for the Australian Cricket Team.[9] This role, created to focus solely on team performance, was one of the key recommendations of the Don Argus led Australian Team Performance Review (ATPR) adopted by CA’s Board in August.

Howard has received some criticism for this role. Shane Warne said in 2013, Cricket Australia should "please put current cricket people in charge to run the game,select teams, not ex rugby or any other sports people" and called Howard a "muppet".[10]

In March 2013, following being temporarily dropped from the national team Shane Watson said Howard had not been involved in cricket long enough to pass comment on his commitment to the Australian team.

Would he be dictating to the Captain about moves he needs to make?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Would he be dictating to the Captain about moves he needs to make?

You would like to think not but when a Starc took a wicket in his 4th over on day one and did not bowl a 5th over one has to wonder. You could not get the ball out of a bowlers hand after he takes a wicket yet he needed a spell.
I think he has put very strict rules in place and the captain must follow them.
Since he has been in charge Aussie cricket has gone backwards,not to mention how many injured players we have under his stella high performance program.

 

[Damon_3388]

On 13 October 2011, he was announced as the GM, Team Performance – for the Australian Cricket Team.[9] This role, created to focus solely on team performance, was one of the key recommendations of the Don Argus led Australian Team Performance Review (ATPR) adopted by CA’s Board in August.

That Argus review was one of the biggest nothing w*nks of all time.

 

[King Elvis]

He and Sutherland are both cockroaches. They survive anything.

That's unfair - cockroaches are gross, but they don't **** everything up.

 

[Damon_3388]

In the olden days with no limits the players with delicate frames, actions susceptible to injury and players unable to cope with pain would get found out as kids. Break down, get injured, never make it through the system.

How did Bruce Reid ever make it then?

 

[King Elvis]

That Argus review was one of the biggest nothing w*nks of all time.

Sutherland being involved prove it was a farce - how can you review an organizations performance without reviewing the leadership?

Total bullshit.

 

[damochandler]

Argus review is a complete farce. One of the recommendations was to strengthen and look after the shield comp. these days they have turned it into a glorified practice match.

As for Howard his program has never worked. More bowlers have broken down in the last 3 years than ever.

What are other test playing nations high performance units working? Do they have the same setup?

 

[Tigerssaints]

I am pretty sure Mark Waughs favorite player Patrick James Cummins, who is extremely injury prone player
has been the bench mark, template for player Management ,since his 1 test 5 years ago ,this guy has spent more time of the park ,than on it
,Unfortunately because of his ,state (NSW) this guy has and is on a full contract all that time ,whilst more deserving guys are not
( can anyone name a player who ha been so injury prone, but still keep his contract )




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