pav ff 2010

[shark75]

Johnson is in the leadership group if his form is ok he will play. Sandilands can ruck 70% and Johnson can 30% in the Ruck and the rest of the time MJ can be up forward.

Clarke is a bit light on atm and needs another year in gym.

Bradley is a jack of all trades but a master of none. I think is cannon fodder, allowing Clarke another year to develop.

 

[Dormammu]

Johnson is in the leadership group if his form is ok he will play. Sandilands can ruck 70% and Johnson can 30% in the Ruck and the rest of the time MJ can be up forward.

Clarke is a bit light on atm and needs another year in gym.

Bradley is a jack of all trades but a master of none. I think is cannon fodder, allowing Clarke another year to develop.

Simply being part of the leadership group shouldn't provide a walk-up start into the 22.

As for Clarke, yes, still some time away, as reported elsewhere his progress was set back by a collapsed lung.

And nothing wrong with being a jack of all trades, what many call a utility player.

 

[Dormammu]

surely clarke would have to be in the mix for rnd 1.the other two are never going to become 1st rucks of this club.MJ's skills are better all round in my opinion.i think it was the night MJ rolled his ankle,he looked good up front.

MJ did his ankle against the Tuggers, heroic performance stuck in the goalsquare and a tragedy that he couldn't apply any defensive pressure.

Like I said, a line ball decision, but I reckon that last year KP took enough contested marks in and around the goalsquare to get him into the 22.

What's worth mentioning is that IMO both are unreliable shots on goal when the angle is less than say 45 degrees. Hope both are working to correct this.

 

[shark75]

Johnson is in the leadership group if his form is ok he will play.

Bradley is tall who is not strong (doesnt use his strength) for a Key Post, not skillful enough to play midfield and as a half forward is misses too many easy shots on goals.

The guy loses his feet alot and isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. Bradley is tall, fast and can jump but the his skills let him down.

Sorry but Michael Johnson is much a better player Bradley.

 

[free at last]

MJ did his ankle against the Tuggers, heroic performance stuck in the goalsquare and a tragedy that he couldn't apply any defensive pressure.

Like I said, a line ball decision, but I reckon that last year KP took enough contested marks in and around the goalsquare to get him into the 22.

What's worth mentioning is that IMO both are unreliable shots on goal when the angle is less than say 45 degrees. Hope both are working to correct this.

yep agree they are both very unorthodox shot on goals.

 

[Dormammu]

What's interesting is that both have been doing a lot of training in forward exercises/game day drills with Pav and Chopper, so it looks like they're likely to spend time up front.

KP has dropped a few marks and misfired a handpass or two, but he still seems more at home around the sticks than MJ, who hasn't linked up as well with the other forwards. Again, more of a backman.

We'll hopefully get more insights at the intra-club, but at this stage it's KP by a nose in my books.

 

[free at last]

What's interesting is that both have been doing a lot of training in forward exercises/game day drills with Pav and Chopper, so it looks like they're likely to spend time up front.

KP has dropped a few marks and misfired a handpass or two, but he still seems more at home around the sticks than MJ, who hasn't linked up as well with the other forwards. Again, more of a backman.

We'll hopefully get more insights at the intra-club, but at this stage it's KP by a nose in my books.

MJ by a short half head.

 

[Dormammu]

MJ by a short half head.

Well, whatever the outcome at least they won't have to be swabbed afterwards like the Egurls forwards

 

[free at last]

Well, whatever the outcome at least they won't have to be swabbed afterwards like the Egurls forwards

yeh nice!

 

[Latro]

Why would Bradley be automatic best 22? He is one of the 10 worst players in the league. I would rather play Murphy.

 

[dominguez]

Why would Bradley be automatic best 22? He is one of the 10 worst players in the league. I would rather play Murphy.

That's harsh, IMO he's not even in Freo's 5 worst players.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Why would Bradley be automatic best 22? He is one of the 10 worst players in the league. I would rather play Murphy.

any player that can average 2 goals a game at afl level is nowhere near being in the worst 10 players in the league

 

[Cica]

Pav should play somewhere in between FF and CHF but as long as he plays forward we should do better than last year. Our forward line is probably our biggest weakness at the moment and not having Pav in there would be .

I think Bradley is a depth player at best and I cannot see us winning the premiership with players like him in our side. MJ should be used as our 2nd ruck option while playing most time at CHF.

At the moment only Ballantyne, Mayne and Pavlich are our true reliable forwards with any value. Fyfe should definitely be getting few games this year and even Houghton. Bradley should only playing if MJ gets injuried and even then I'd prefer to see Clarke in.

 

[Lach72]

Well, whatever the outcome at least they won't have to be swabbed afterwards like the Geelong small forwards

Just fixed that for you

 

[theGav56]

I am interested to hear about how much work Harvey puts into the forward line in the pre-season. Last year our forward line was deconstructed and then poorly re-constructed, with Harvey in my mind preferring to deal with the backline (Tarrant) and midfields (Pavlich) as of higher priority. Quite rightly too given where we were at. But the forward line was a clear casualty.

But if Pavlich is playing forward then I hope we see more certainty about what the structure of the forward set up is, otherwise I am worried we will see another version of the "Kick it to Pav" philosophy that we have had in the past, especially with Tarrant no longer there. I really want to see;

- some chemistry developing between the forwards so that they all contribute. As an Assistant, Harvey did wonders with our backline; something which I think has never really been replicated in our forward line.
- some clear alternative targets, especially with a young midfield who may easily look for Pavlich as a default option
- if players such as MJ and Bradley are used as KPF's then some long stints shooting for goals during and after training.
- I am a fan of Headland as a FF at times, but I am aware it is stop-gap, and may be more successful against some sides than others, or on some grounds. But if he is going to be there then I think the team needs to train for it. In the past with our forward line it hasn't looked like this is the case, and has looked much more ad hoc, trying to jag a mismatch as opposed to a team structure strategy.
- chemistry developing between the midfield and forwards generally. Our midfield seems to be clearly developing as a longer kicking, more skilled set of players than in the past. Perhaps more footy-intelligent too. Plus they seem to have more goal-scoring potential.

 

[Dormammu]

^Spot on, nails the situation perfectly.

Got me to thinking about our forward coach - is it Wallis or Scott?

As much as I hated the guy as a player, would love to see Lloyd added to our coaching staff, he had the smarts as a player and if he's half as savvy as his brother then we would be streets ahead in this area.

 

[Scham]

I am interested to hear about how much work Harvey puts into the forward line in the pre-season. Last year our forward line was deconstructed and then poorly re-constructed, with Harvey in my mind preferring to deal with the backline (Tarrant) and midfields (Pavlich) as of higher priority. Quite rightly too given where we were at. But the forward line was a clear casualty.

But if Pavlich is playing forward then I hope we see more certainty about what the structure of the forward set up is, otherwise I am worried we will see another version of the "Kick it to Pav" philosophy that we have had in the past, especially with Tarrant no longer there. I really want to see;

- some chemistry developing between the forwards so that they all contribute. As an Assistant, Harvey did wonders with our backline; something which I think has never really been replicated in our forward line.
- some clear alternative targets, especially with a young midfield who may easily look for Pavlich as a default option
- if players such as MJ and Bradley are used as KPF's then some long stints shooting for goals during and after training.
- I am a fan of Headland as a FF at times, but I am aware it is stop-gap, and may be more successful against some sides than others, or on some grounds. But if he is going to be there then I think the team needs to train for it. In the past with our forward line it hasn't looked like this is the case, and has looked much more ad hoc, trying to jag a mismatch as opposed to a team structure strategy.
- chemistry developing between the midfield and forwards generally. Our midfield seems to be clearly developing as a longer kicking, more skilled set of players than in the past. Perhaps more footy-intelligent too. Plus they seem to have more goal-scoring potential.

In defense of Harvey, last year he was robbed of Mayne, Headland and Ballantyne, and Grover and McPharlin were rubbish.
It's not as if he had many options up forward.

 

[DizzyHB]

^Spot on, nails the situation perfectly.

Got me to thinking about our forward coach - is it Wallis or Scott?

As much as I hated the guy as a player, would love to see Lloyd added to our coaching staff, he had the smarts as a player and if he's half as savvy as his brother then we would be streets ahead in this area.

I'm pretty sure it's:

Scott - Back
Wallis - Forward
Mitchell/Curley - Midfield

Longmuir/McManus/Webster all with different development roles.

 

[Aussiblood]

I like MJ in defence alot, a taller Hayden.

I like him up forward too, marking and kick for goal.

I think we will see him be used where the matchup dictates - extremely useful.

 

[E Shed]

In defense of Harvey, last year he was robbed of Mayne, Headland and Ballantyne, and Grover and McPharlin were rubbish.
It's not as if he had many options up forward.

Indeed. I remember him saying in an interview that when he got Headland, MJ, Ballantyne & Mayne back we would start to see the forward line that they envisaged.
I don't think it's so much that they concentrated on other areas at the expense of the forward line just that all the cattle they pencilled in there were injured.

 

[prattsta]

I'd play one of Johnson/Bradley/Murphy/McPhee (in that order) in the square with Ballantyne predominately playing front and centre of them. Play Pavlich by himself about 30-35m out from goal with Mayne and Headland leading up the ground from the flanks.

(Note: I don't generally like playing a 5 man forward line as it allows the opposition to play with a loose man, but history tells me they're going to do it anyway and 5 vs 6 is better than 6 vs 7 IMO.)

 

[Dormammu]

I'm pretty sure it's:

Scott - Back
Wallis - Forward
Mitchell/Curley - Midfield

Longmuir/McManus/Webster all with different development roles.

Thanks Diz

 

[free at last]

Pav at full forward and expect to see him being triple teamed again as backman play of their men abit to take up pavs leading space and be in position to help out as soon as ball is headed in his area.

Chf he leads up the ground to provide backmen targets around midfield, plus has free roam of forward 50.
When he has an advantage over defenders can push forward to the FF type position.
But he is most suited to 30m+ out.
Murphy is best suited to FF due to poor work rate

Alot harder to triple team Pav at CHF than at FF 10-40m out

I think freo would love to see pav, getting tripled teamed.when ,one aaron sandilands is resting in the goal square.sandi! i think is going to kick a couple of handy bags of goals for us this year.

 

[dugrene]

I think freo would love to see pav, getting tripled teamed.when ,one aaron sandilands is resting in the goal square.sandi! i think is going to kick a couple of handy bags of goals for us this year.

What you say creates one of the best scenarios we can imagine. 211 needs only to move into our forward line and the opposition has to adjust. During the 'adjustment' time if we get possession we should be able to lay a telling check.

Pav will cause a lot of angst no matter where he plays. Teamed with 211 and the rest of our best 22 our problems seem more cerebral than physical.

 

[Dormammu]

(Note: I don't generally like playing a 5 man forward line as it allows the opposition to play with a loose man, but history tells me they're going to do it anyway and 5 vs 6 is better than 6 vs 7 IMO.)[/I]

Agree. One potential repercussion is that the 5 forwards will burn up a lot more fuel as they'll have to apply disproportionately more defensive pressure. So there will be have to be more rotations up front, which in turn will alter the composition of the interchange bench/starting 22.