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Pavlich a huge disappointment
By Robert Walls
April 19, 2005

Matthew Pavlich is fast becoming a protected species at Fremantle . . . given the easy midfield gigs when he has the size to shake up the opposition.
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Fremantle is in serious trouble. It came to Melbourne at the weekend as a warm favourite and left ice cold.

I went to the MCG on Sunday expecting big things from the purple haze. The Dockers' coach has told us to feel this way. But not once in their 10-year history have I seen them live play well. After the heavy loss to the Tigers, I wrote these things: "Selfish", "indirect", "uninspiring", "don't dare to win", "can't win finals".

The player I most wanted to see was Matthew Pavlich. Some regard him as a superstar, but he isn't. He is not in the same league as Jonathan Brown, Nick Riewoldt, Barry Hall or Warren Tredrea.

For years, Pavlich has been protected. Given easy midfield gigs. This year, he has been positioned rightfully at centre half-forward. At 192 centimetres and 100 kilograms, he is the second biggest player on his team's list. It is time he led from the front.

On Sunday, Pavlich was a huge disappointment. Not only did he not play well, he accepted it. His opponent was Ray Hall, a tall, no-more-than-handy spare-parts Tiger defender. After taking two marks in the first eight minutes of the game, Pavlich did not touch the ball for the next 60 minutes of play. He chose not to be involved, and that's simply not good enough.

If his first lead was ignored, there was no urgency to double back and go again. There were some high risky floating balls that marking attempts could have been made at. Had he not marked the ball, Pavlich's size would have at least shaken a few Tigers, but no, these opportunities were let pass.

Midfield teammates Josh Carr and Paul Hasleby were driven crazy by relentless taggers. A Pavlich hip-and-shoulder on their opponents would have helped. But no. There were 25 centre bounces. That's 25 opportunities for Pavlich to sprint in off the line to impose his will in a physical way. Again, no.

The most damning aspect of Pavlich's game, and a lot of his teammates', was that at game's end, he wasn't spent. He easily could have played another four quarters. The Dockers don't dare to win. They froze a couple of weeks ago in Tasmania to let the Saints sneak a one-point win.

Captain Peter Bell spends far too much time in the back half receiving easy ball. Too many Dockers rate their performance on possessions accumulated. In the third quarter on Sunday, the Dockers rattled up 99 disposals. The team scored one point.

Tiger coach Terry Wallace, after the game, said this of the Dockers: "With guys put behind the ball, you can't win like that." He's right. Overall, the Dockers had more kicks and marks than Richmond. But they kicked only seven goals and lost by 48 points. At the moment, they are going nowhere.

In the interests of the team, Pavlich should have been moved in an effort to get something out of him. A stint in the ruck or at full-back to relieve the undersized Shane Parker, who was being mauled by Matthew Richardson, were obvious changes.

Paul Medhurst only plays out of a forward pocket. He has become one-dimensional. The coach needs to try him elsewhere. And Jeff Farmer's undisciplined acts continue to be tolerated.

On Sunday, this team played without any spirit. It seems some players may be getting preferential treatment. If so, no wonder morale appears low.


Is this fare criticism? Should we make a re-newed bid for him? Do we want him?
 
drakeyv2 said:
Is this fare criticism? Should we make a re-newed bid for him? Do we want him?

Would still make a play for him & believe he would be a big plus for us in our current squad.

But there has to be a realistic trade offered so who knows how it would turn out.
 
noddy said:
Would still make a play for him & believe he would be a big plus for us in our current squad.

But there has to be a realistic trade offered so who knows how it would turn out.

Should we maybe give more credit to the recruiting staff of all clubs who ignored him the first time around due to concerns about his abilities? I think maybe they could have got it right, but for his sake I hope he's just struggling with a mediocre team and a mediocre gameplan. I certainly wouldn't give up the best bone china for him though.
 
Comments are unwarranted and Walls is stirring the pot methinks. If I was Walls I'd have a look at their game strategy first. After all, the player is under instructions, isn't he?

IMHO we are a big chance to get Pavlich home at seasons end.

The Dockers are a rabble ATM and most likely will lose their coach this year as well if they keep playing as they are.

Nothing like an unhappy and disillusioned Pavlich:cool:




(come home Son, we'll look after you);)
 

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If he has a bad season his trade value will drop markedly :D :D :D

And I have seen enough of him to have no doubt he would be our best forward by about a light year.
 
Cove Cobra said:
Comments are unwarranted and Walls is stirring the pot methinks. If I was Walls I'd have a look at their game strategy first. After all, the player is under instructions, isn't he?

IMHO we are a big chance to get Pavlich home at seasons end.

The Dockers are a rabble ATM and most likely will lose their coach this year as well if they keep playing as they are.
I agree their game plan is a disgrace but as much as i hate to say it I think what Robert Walls says has some merit.....The Great players find a way to impose themselves when things aren't going their way.

Having said that Connelly is a terrible coach!! why wouldn't you move one of your best players somewhere where he might get the ball and make in impact...I've always thought Connelly was not sent up there to Coach but to Market The Fremantle Football Club across the Border.

Didn't they just sign him up for another couple of years??

I thought Pavlich has still got 2 - 3 Years on his Contract??
 
I thought the criticism from Walls was unfair. He obviously hasn't seen him play any games this season apart from on the weekend. He dominated against Port, was good against the Saints and again was one of Freo's best against the Eagles. Pavlich had a bad game against the Tiges, but which Docker didn't? If you were getting 3 out of 4 quality performaces from a CHF, I think you'd be pretty happy.
 
afc9798 said:
Should we maybe give more credit to the recruiting staff of all clubs who ignored him the first time around due to concerns about his abilities? I think maybe they could have got it right, but for his sake I hope he's just struggling with a mediocre team and a mediocre gameplan. I certainly wouldn't give up the best bone china for him though.

Unfortunately, you would have to give it up to get him.

Would you give up 2 first round draft picks to get him. Personally, I wouldn't.
 
I think we could concentrate on recruiting a CHF instead of trying to trade for one,
generally if a club is willing to trade a good CHF its for 2 reasons - hes on the way down or you are paying too much for them so I think we try and recruit/develop one instead
 
I'm with Walls to some extent. He certainly has the body and the ability. He lacks the rock solid determination that is required to be in the elite group. Has all of the attributes of a bloke like Wayne Carey except he lacks one major component. I'm trying to think of a nice way of saying that he just doesnt have enough c (i.e c word) in him.
 
i think we should just leave him alone since we'd no doubt end up paying top dollar
 
Wood_Duck said:
He lacks the rock solid determination that is required to be in the elite group.

. I'm trying to think of a nice way of saying that he just doesnt have enough c (i.e c word) in him.
In every way and as crude as it sounds you are spot on

He has the skills

He has the class

He has the football brain


But to me his biggest problem is he will find a way to run around a player than go straight through one. Might seem a silly comment but by going through a player and hurting them you pick up this aura..Pavlich doesnt have it at the moment .. he is admired no doubt but he is not top shelf class
 
SpringChoke said:
Unfortunately, you would have to give it up to get him.

Would you give up 2 first round draft picks to get him. Personally, I wouldn't.

No I wouldn't give up 2 first round picks. Maybe one first round pick and a player. Pavlich is not a game breaker and never really has been unless his opponent gives him too much latitude. I think Walls is right in that he doesn't use what is a very big body to either crash packs or help out team mates.
He just seems to lose interest if he is closely checked and he actually has to battle for a kick, but this could simply be a sign of unhappiness and and a lack of passion for the club? Time will tell, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he was overlooked the first time he nominated for the draft.
 

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PerthCrow said:
In every way and as crude as it sounds you are spot on

He has the skills

He has the class

He has the football brain
And he has so much pressure on him to perform at Fremantle; I dont believe anyone will see how good he can become whilst still playing at a club where he is expected to do everything. It just cant be done. If a side like Brisbane or Port somehow managed to get him 4 or 5 years ago I think most people would now be in awe of what he would have become.
 
Capitalist said:
I think we could concentrate on recruiting a CHF instead of trying to trade for one,
generally if a club is willing to trade a good CHF its for 2 reasons - hes on the way down or you are paying too much for them so I think we try and recruit/develop one instead

Yep spot on mate. Let's develop our own 1st tier.
 
SpringChoke said:
Yep spot on mate. Let's develop our own 1st tier.

Priority must be on rebuilding the club, but you'd be crazy not to make a play for him when the time came. Van Berlo is a WA boy, perhaps he could be trade bait - 1st Rounder + VB perhaps ?

In all seriousness, the reality is that Freo will ask way too much for him (more than what we're prepared to pay anyway), regardless of how bad his season form was, and we'll just walk away from it saying "No thanks".
 
GoSarge said:
Priority must be on rebuilding the club, but you'd be crazy not to make a play for him when the time came. Van Berlo is a WA boy, perhaps he could be trade bait - 1st Rounder + VB perhaps ?

In all seriousness, the reality is that Freo will ask way too much for him (more than what we're prepared to pay anyway), regardless of how bad his season form was, and we'll just walk away from it saying "No thanks".
Or he could just do a Strenglein and say "I'm Leaving, find me a trade or I go in the draft".
 

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Wood_Duck said:
Or he could just do a Strenglein and say "I'm Leaving, find me a trade or I go in the draft".

Or he could do a Nick Stevens and go in the PSD where the PAPS would have first pick at him after they finish last this year. ;)

If Stenglein was worth a 1st and 2nd round pick, then they'd have to ask for at LEAST two first rounders for him wouldn't they ? Given our situation, I'd be surprised if we gave up that up for him.
 
Pav isn't helped by Connolly's gameplan though - and let's not forget he has been an All-Australian in the past (named as fullback), so he does have some runs on the board as far as proving his potential goes.

Apart from all that, he's still the most versatile player in the comp, just needs to go to a good side (ie Adelaide ;)) where his abilities can be utilised to maximum effect.
 
dyertribe said:
Pav isn't helped by Connolly's gameplan though - and let's not forget he has been an All-Australian in the past (named as fullback), so he does have some runs on the board as far as proving his potential goes.

Apart from all that, he's still the most versatile player in the comp, just needs to go to a good side (ie Adelaide ;)) where his abilities can be utilised to maximum effect.
Agreed.

There is no doubt in my mind that Connolly's coaching over the last couple of years has stagnated Pavlich. I honestly beleive that in a good side and under a coach that knows how to get the best out of his players, Pavlich would be AA key forward.

He is a super player but you need someone to get it out of him and I think someone like Craig could. Would I go after him if he was to declare he wants to come home at the end of the year? I most certainly would.

As DT said, he is by far the most versatile tall in the league. I would have him at the Crows in a second.
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Agreed.

There is no doubt in my mind that Connolly's coaching over the last couple of years has stagnated Pavlich. I honestly beleive that in a good side and under a coach that knows how to get the best out of his players, Pavlich would be AA key forward.

He is a super player but you need someone to get it out of him and I think someone like Craig could. Would I go after him if he was to declare he wants to come home at the end of the year? I most certainly would.

As DT said, he is by far the most versatile tall in the league. I would have him at the Crows in a second.

Noone is doubting that, and everyone would love him here but what/who would you give up ? A home grown boy like VB ? draft picks ? A combo of both ?
 

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