Pavlich

[dicko]

I think he would be an excellent draft if we could get him. His size would fit well into our team and I think he may be ripe for the picking next year if the dockers have a shocker this year, as he signed to them as he thought they were a team on the move - up - but it looks more down at the moment, and he may get dejected and want to come home, but I would not give up to much in the picks for him.

Living in WA, the poor dockers cant take a trick, and just lay down and roll over like a puppy dog, when it gets hard. I cant understand why they do it, as they are the team I follow over here to a degree.

I can not understand why they signed Connelly for another three years, as if they dont improve over the next few weeks the knives will be out for the Freo board and the WAFL board who own the Dockers, as the fans and sponsors will be getting very ********ed off

 

[tribey]

very different types of players and cant even be compared.

Thankyou Senor Obviouso. Unfortunately, that wasn't the point.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Kenny Had been a star 16 yr old, and aleader on one of the all oz trips to Ireland, the following season he did his knee and didn't play at all that season. this is when we picked him up.

It was our belief that he had been discounted incorrectly, having been out of sight for a while. What is held against us, is we were the only team to have been considering PAV as well, so it became a choice of two good 'uns.

Oddly we would have copped much less criticism if PAV wasn't on our draft board that year.

 

[outback jack]

Thankyou Senor Obviouso. Unfortunately, that wasn't the point.

yes it was judds shoulder'd have far less significance to pav's, thats why judd was a top3 pick.

 

[tribey]

yes it was judds shoulder'd have far less significance to pav's, thats why judd was a top3 pick.

Jack, go back and read the post I was responding to, then read my response again.

Nothing to do with their relative draft positions, or the apparent 'significance' of their relative injuries, mine was merely a passing comment downplaying scaremongering about injuries suffered in youth.

 

[relapse]

I have to say that I agree in part with Walls, Fremantle are the most mentally soft team in the AFL. They appear to have a culture of just having a go instead of winning. They have a team that should finish in the top 4, but they wont because they are not mentally hard enough. Their final a couple of years ago spoke volumes of Fremantle's problems they were playing over the top of Essendon in the first quarter at home and then when Essendon applied some pressure Fremantle went into their shell and that was it, it was just pathetic and did they learn from that ?? No they didnt even make the finals last year.

I have this gut feeling that M Blight's name could be bandied around Fremantle towards the end of this year as a possible coach. The quality is there and Blight seeing the opportunty for another possible short term successful coaching stint would definately go for it. The right coach can turn that softness into a powerful AFL side the players are there, but the attitude isnt.

As for Pavlich, he held out waiting for us at the end of the 2001 season. The Port thing was to try and increase his monitary value with either Freo or Adelaide, when he was informed apparently on the Friday morning that Adelaide would no longer be chasing him as Wayne Carey had decleared he wanted to come to Adelaide, Pavlich signed an extension that evening with Fremantle. I heard from a reliable source that he really didnt have any intentions of joining Port Adelaide and he wanted to come to Adelaide and if that didnt happen would stay at Freo. As for trying to get him I would say that Freo would ask for two first round draft picks, which would mean us having to trade our first pick and then us having to trade a player for one which I wouldnt be happy with, how about our first pick and turdman !!!! nah freo wouldnt be that dumb to accept it.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Relapse,

I might be wrong, but my recollection is that Pavlich resigned with Freo long before Carey committed to us.

 

[pinkus maximus]

From my memory Pav signed with us the night before a round 21 match against Essendon

 

[relapse]

Relapse,

I might be wrong, but my recollection is that Pavlich resigned with Freo long before Carey committed to us.

No from memory I was pretty sure it was in the space of a few days a week at the moment, but he knew that when he had made his decision that Adelaide had Carey and could no longer persue him.

 

[Cove Cobra]

Pav isn't helped by Connolly's gameplan though - and let's not forget he has been an All-Australian in the past (named as fullback), so he does have some runs on the board as far as proving his potential goes.

Apart from all that, he's still the most versatile player in the comp, just needs to go to a good side (ie Adelaide ) where his abilities can be utilised to maximum effect.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

 

[Cove Cobra]

jack - I thought I'd never say it - quality post!!

You just couldn't be more correct!!

Yeah, he surprised me too. Top post outback_jack!

 

[GoSarge]

I don't understand why people think his trade value will decrease if Freo has a bad year. IMO he will ALWAYS command at least 2 1st round draft picks or the equivalent. He's not a player where Freo will go - 'Well we'll just take the 1st and 2nd round picks off you and that should do".

Van Berlo has played 2 games and we're getting rid of him. So much for developing our own talent??

I wasn't suggesting we get rid of him, I was just bringing his name up for debate to see what people would think. Didn't get much of a bite

 

[lincsPJ]

did you play with him?? Didnt happen to see kenny when he was young either?? what did you think of them.

Did pav dislocate his shoulders often or something, cause i wouldnt think it hold him back that much. .

saw pav through school and corneseses, gags, crouches, and a heap more that shouldve made it but never did. im pretty sure he did his shoulder twice - the second time by diving into a swimming pool. poor bastard.

didnt see kenny in juniors but a little birdy once told me that the afc picked kenny because he had had 1 or 2 games for the eags and pav hadnt yet. it was a toss up cos they were in the same team.

 

[macca23]

As for Pavlich, he held out waiting for us at the end of the 2001 season. The Port thing was to try and increase his monitary value with either Freo or Adelaide, when he was informed apparently on the Friday morning that Adelaide would no longer be chasing him as Wayne Carey had decleared he wanted to come to Adelaide, Pavlich signed an extension that evening with Fremantle. I heard from a reliable source that he really didnt have any intentions of joining Port Adelaide and he wanted to come to Adelaide and if that didnt happen would stay at Freo.

You are correct, although it was at the end of 2002 wasn't it?

Steve Pavlich told me that Matthew really wanted to come home at the end of 2002 and HE approached Adelaide.

When he realized that Carey was the traget and there was no interest from Adelaide he re-signed with Freo.

Ayres = fkwit.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Isn't it strange that the people who are quickest to bag Tredrea as a receiver who is totally reliant on his midfield, are the first to defend Pavlich against the same claims and the loudest in wanting to recruit him? Life is a funny thing sometimes.

As well as juicy draft picks, be prepared to clear out a big chunk of salary cap space when you do go for him ... although McLeod or Ricciuto may have retired by then.

Just on not drafting him - 15 other clubs did the same thing, and be thankful it wasn't your club that chose Adam Morgan instead ... altho the guy that made that decision is now on your payroll ...

 

[noddy]

You are correct, although it was at the end of 2002 wasn't it?

Steve Pavlich told me that Matthew really wanted to come home at the end of 2002 and HE approached Adelaide.

When he realized that Carey was the traget and there was no interest from Adelaide he re-signed with Freo.

Ayres = fkwit.

Not to mention the Kane Cornes major debacle.

 

[outback jack]

Isn't it strange that the people who are quickest to bag Tredrea as a receiver who is totally reliant on his midfield, are the first to defend Pavlich against the same claims and the loudest in wanting to recruit him? Life is a funny thing sometimes.

As well as juicy draft picks, be prepared to clear out a big chunk of salary cap space when you do go for him ... although McLeod or Ricciuto may have retired by then.

Just on not drafting him - 15 other clubs did the same thing, and be thankful it wasn't your club that chose Adam Morgan instead ... altho the guy that made that decision is now on your payroll ...

you are bitter, no one has suggested pav is better than tredrea atm. Stewart complied your team, you are bitter about that too, you obviously will miss him. Pav if he makes it as a CHF in the next 2 yrs will be highly paid and so he should be, tredrea would be highly paid too. Pav has quite a few yrs on tredrea and much more improvement so it is dangerous to be bagging him now. Freo are shi te team too esp compared to port, and poorly coached, pav gets supply nothing like tredrea its imp to remember that. The difference is tredrea requires top rate supply to mark on the lead and be successful.

 

[noddy]

Isn't it strange that the people who are quickest to bag Tredrea as a receiver who is totally reliant on his midfield, are the first to defend Pavlich against the same claims and the loudest in wanting to recruit him? Life is a funny thing sometimes.

As well as juicy draft picks, be prepared to clear out a big chunk of salary cap space when you do go for him ... although McLeod or Ricciuto may have retired by then.

Just on not drafting him - 15 other clubs did the same thing, and be thankful it wasn't your club that chose Adam Morgan instead ... altho the guy that made that decision is now on your payroll ...

I have a healthy respect for Tredrea's football skills & i take these comments from some that are less respectful with a pinch of salt & believe they would be first in line to welcome him should he ever come over to the AFC.

Would still make a play for Pavlich if he wanted to come home within the next couple of years but at what price is a matter for negotiation & i don't believe our club would go down the Wayne Carey road again if Pavlich was nearing the end of his AFL career.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

you are bitter, no one has suggested pav is better than tredrea atm. Stewart complied your team, you are bitter about that too, you obviously will miss him. Pav if he makes it as a CHF in the next 2 yrs will be highly paid and so he should be, tredrea would be highly paid too. Pav has quite a few yrs on tredrea and much more improvement so it is dangerous to be bagging him now. Freo are shi te team too esp compared to port, and poorly coached, pav gets supply nothing like tredrea its imp to remember that. The difference is tredrea requires top rate supply to mark on the lead and be successful.

I'm glad you realised who I meant. Now I'm expecting only one more reply from the morally outraged.

Bitter, no, bemused by the attitudes of some, yes. I haven't passed judgement on Pavlich anywhere. He's a good player and played well against us in the first round. But I've seen him play more games against us where he's been a non-factor. I think he's been overrated but he may live up to expectation yet.

As for Al, I was disappointed to see him go but we all move on. I thought the smilie might have been a clue it was all a bit tongue in cheek, but hey whatever rocks your world.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Would still make a play for Pavlich if he wanted to come home within the next couple of years but at what price is a matter for negotiation & i don't believe our club would go down the Wayne Carey road again if Pavlich was nearing the end of his AFL career.

His next contract would be a big one given he'd be pretty much in his prime ... and Freo/Connolly are readily blamed for him not reaching lofty expectations. Plus he earns a handy marketing $ over there too. Any contract after that (should he stay) would have to be viewed carefully.

 

[macca23]

His next contract would be a big one given he'd be pretty much in his prime ... and Freo/Connolly are readily blamed for him not reaching lofty expectations. Plus he earns a handy marketing $ over there too. Any contract after that (should he stay) would have to be viewed carefully.

He is planning to come home at the end of 2006 when his contract expires. While he will want good money, money isn't everything, as that isn't his motivation. He is very close to his family members and would like to spend time with them while playing the rest of his career in his home state.

He has a preference for Adelaide, but wouldn't rule out Port if that was the only way home.

He has a WA girl-friend with whom he is pretty serious. At this stage she is saying that she'll move with Pav to SA at the end of 2006 - the only fly in the ointment might be if she changed her mind.

 

[Macca19]

A few points:

- Freo are very soft. They are definately the softest club in the league. They just continually dissapoint and are a tipsters nightmare. They always say 'this is our year this year' and as always nothing happens. They will still make the finals but another couple of unexpected losses will hurt them dearly.

- Pavlich is also soft. A very good player but I dont think anyone can seriously challenge the fact that he is an outside player and doesnt a) put his body on the line enough and b) doesnt crash as many bodies enough. Has anyone ever seen him lay a hip and shoulder? Hes a mommoth man that should be intimidating opposition. If Damien Hardwick and Josh Carr can physically influence games of football and are 1/2 the size of Pav then surely so can Pav. Look at the damage someone like Michael Voss does sometimes...his tackles hurt and his hip and shoulders...look out. Pav is a similar size and just doesnt do those things.

His career so far has been very good, double All Australian proves that...but there is definatley a lot more potential there to live on and getting some physicallity into his game would help that in droves.

 

[relapse]

Isn't it strange that the people who are quickest to bag Tredrea as a receiver who is totally reliant on his midfield, are the first to defend Pavlich against the same claims and the loudest in wanting to recruit him? Life is a funny thing sometimes.

As well as juicy draft picks, be prepared to clear out a big chunk of salary cap space when you do go for him ... although McLeod or Ricciuto may have retired by then.

Just on not drafting him - 15 other clubs did the same thing, and be thankful it wasn't your club that chose Adam Morgan instead ... altho the guy that made that decision is now on your payroll ...

Firstly the whole thing about Tredrea started because someone tried to say that he is better than Carey. Noone is denying how good Tredrea is as a player, but you have to be realistic about where he sits among the best of all time.

The fact of the matter is Tredrea is a better player than Pavlich and if Adelaide had a choice between the two I would prefer Adelaide to chase Tredrea. Pavlich has adopted a soft mental attitude from playing for the softest team in the AFL and i agree that he hasnt lived up to anywhere near what we all believed his potential was. Noone is making claims that Pavlich is a superstar merely making a statement that we would be silly not to try and recruit him if he wanted to come home and play for Adelaide.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

He has a WA girl-friend with whom he is pretty serious. At this stage she is saying that she'll move with Pav to SA at the end of 2006 - the only fly in the ointment might be if she changed her mind.

We tried that with Carry and it didn't work.

 

[noddy]

We tried that with Carry and it didn't work.

But did you target his mum ??