PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[blackshadow]

No way. EVGA pulling out of graphics card market

EVGA Abandons the GPU Market, Reportedly Citing Conflicts With Nvidia

A huge shift in the GPU business.

www.tomshardware.com

That’s pretty massive and not good for consumers.

 

[dwwaino]

That’s pretty massive and not good for consumers.

I wonder where EVGA go from here too considering they're not as big of a name in their other products.

 

[drd23]

I wonder where EVGA go from here too considering they're not as big of a name in their other products.

Doesn't really sound like a viable business without massively downsizing. Won't be making new gen GPUs of any kind and won't be moving into new categories. They'd basically be a PSU only company given how small their footprint is in the other mentioned areas (motherboards and coolers) and how big the competition is in them

 

[sataris]

Won't happen

80% of their business is GPU. Board won't allow it.

 

[dwwaino]

So we should know about the 4090 by the time we wake up tomorrow. Would be cool if there is a 4080 and 4070 reveal but it's not sounding like it.

 

[gaskin]

From the video description: Since the NVIDIA page was updated AFTER we filmed this. Here is some extra info. First Partner cards are visible on the site so you can see what they look like. Second, the 12GB 4080 is a shaved down version of the 16GB, not just in the amount of ram, but its also 2,000 less CUDA cores... this is similar to the 1060 3GB vs 6GB and its a slimy move... it makes it look like a 4080 but for all intents and purposes it is NOT. Its really more like a 4070.

 

[dwwaino]

One 4080 on the 103 and the other 104 is actually pretty misleading. The average consumer isn't going to know this.


If anyone doesn't have the time for a talking head video

NVIDIA introduces GeForce RTX 4090/4080 series, RTX 4090 launches October 12th for 1599 USD - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA debuts "Ada" GeForce RTX 40 series NVIDIA formally introduces three new graphics cards. The new RTX 40 series are here. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has

videocardz.com

 

[biaseddustyfan]

take me back to $799 aud 80 series cards

 

[dwwaino]

 

[dav3]

On the 4000 series pricing........... I mean seriously, what do people expect? We're still in a chip shortage, everything costs more these days, COVID is still an issue, there was always a massive chance there would be a price bump compared to a card that was released before shortages and cost-of-living increases.

Some of the posturing and tears in places like Reddit is a little pathetic, especially from those in the "WAHHH I'LL NEVER BUY AN NVIDIA CARD AGAIN!!!" camp. Yeah it's expensive, yeah it puts top of the range cards out of reach for most, but seriously........... it's not a life or death thing, if you can't afford it then pick up a previous generation card. 99% of people won't know the difference unless they spend their time watching benchmark scores and FPS counters.

 

[dwwaino]

On the 4000 series pricing........... I mean seriously, what do people expect? We're still in a chip shortage, everything costs more these days, COVID is still an issue, there was always a massive chance there would be a price bump compared to a card that was released before shortages and cost-of-living increases.

Some of the posturing and tears in places like Reddit is a little pathetic, especially from those in the "WAHHH I'LL NEVER BUY AN NVIDIA CARD AGAIN!!!" camp. Yeah it's expensive, yeah it puts top of the range cards out of reach for most, but seriously........... it's not a life or death thing, if you can't afford it then pick up a previous generation card. 99% of people won't know the difference unless they spend their time watching benchmark scores and FPS counters.

Things cost what they cost. Sometimes it's shit, sometimes it's a win. You put value on things depending on what it's worth to you and your own financial situation.

My first impression of price was "oof" but it won't stop me from buying one next year.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Yeah nah....I'm happy with my 3080 for a while thanks. That's overkill for any games that are out there or will be out there anytime soon. Pass

 

[gaskin]

Yeah nah....I'm happy with my 3080 for a while thanks. That's overkill for any games that are out there or will be out there anytime soon. Pass

Same. When you add the power draw of the cards into the equation it really doesn't make sense to upgrade.

 

[hornetswce]

I’m assuming these announcements aren’t going to knock down pricing on the 30 series?

Still looking to upgrade my 1060 but I’m thinking it’s easier just to keep it another 12 months.


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[Stumpy Pete]

Hi all - I’m looking for advice.

The last time I was into PC gaming I was playing the original Kings Quest and some game called Prophecy that I loved but no one else seems to remember. EGA was next level and a 386 was out of the price range for my parents. I was an Amstrad kid!

Now my 7 y.o. wants a gaming PC largely to play Minecraft with the ability run mods like SevTech without mega lags (which is what happens a bit on our laptop). I’m after any advice/recommendations on what is a reasonably priced online or store based buy that will cover our needs but also future proof for a bit.

Happy for people to reply with “Do your own research old man!” if that fits.

Regards and thanks in advance for any assistance.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[dwwaino]

Hi all - I’m looking for advice.

The last time I was into PC gaming I was playing the original Kings Quest and some game called Prophecy that I loved but no one else seems to remember. EGA was next level and a 386 was out of the price range for my parents. I was an Amstrad kid!

Now my 7 y.o. wants a gaming PC largely to play Minecraft with the ability run mods like SevTech without mega lags (which is what happens a bit on our laptop). I’m after any advice/recommendations on what is a reasonably priced online or store based buy that will cover our needs but also future proof for a bit.

Happy for people to reply with “Do your own research old man!” if that fits.

Regards and thanks in advance for any assistance.

Regards

S. Pete

Any of the major PC stores will do prebuilds. Places like Aftershock specialise in only prebuilds and are Footscray based. If you're located in Melbourne and the eastern suburbs are accessible then somewhere like Scorptec in Clayton (they have several stores but that's their main one and where I've been shopping for at least a decade) happily take walk ins and guide you through either one of their prebuilds or even a custom build to suit your needs with only the retail price of the parts +$100 to assemble.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Any of the major PC stores will do prebuilds. Places like Aftershock specialise in only prebuilds and are Footscray based. If you're located in Melbourne and the eastern suburbs are accessible then somewhere like Scorptec in Clayton (they have several stores but that's their main one and where I've been shopping for at least a decade) happily take walk ins and guide you through either one of their prebuilds or even a custom build to suit your needs with only the retail price of the parts +$100 to assemble.

Thanks for the reply. Im in the ACT but it is good to hear stores do decent builds.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[dwwaino]

Thanks for the reply. Im in the ACT but it is good to hear stores do decent builds.

Regards

S. Pete

Options are a bit more limited there. Just had a quick search and I recognised a few chains which should be able to help you. Also noticed MSY are there and they're the only ones I recommend staying away from.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Options are a bit more limited there. Just had a quick search and I recognised a few chains which should be able to help you. Also noticed MSY are there and they're the only ones I recommend staying away from.

Thanks for taking the time to check the ACT - very much appreciated.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[sataris]

5800X3D would not boost past base clock at all.

Forgot to check for BIOS updates and now everything works fine :/

let that be a lesson for the future...

 

[dwwaino]

 

[dwwaino]

So many talking head videos that are extremely bloated. The TLDR and quick facts from an actual electrical trades worker:

- New graphics cards are designed to be used with new ATX 3.0 standard, so grab a new supply or take the opportunity for a new build which isn't a bad idea considering DDR5 platform is new too

- Voltage drops over distance but doesn't split over parallel paths. Current doesn't drop over distance but splits over parallel paths. Wattage/power is Power = Voltage*Current (P=VI). The 12v supply to the card is going to remain the same, so to increase the watts the card is going to ask for more current. Doing so on unrated cables/adaptors is a fire hazard (this is why your home has different power circuits with different size breakers depending on the circuit's cable size). New PSU standard with new adaptors will have cables rated for the higher current draw.

 

[dwwaino]

Ryzen 7000 reviews starting to drop. Nothing too game changing in terms of generational leaps as gaming performance at high resolutions is still obviously GPU bound. Might be something more exciting for those with productivity uses.

If the new DDR5 platform combined with RTX 4000 series didn't coincide with Zen 4 I'd probably just look to upgrade graphics card and leave it there. The only thing that jumps out at me about the new AMD CPUs are those boost clocks. The massive TDP increase though had me a little dubious at first as I find CPU temps are more wild than GPU but Linus' 7700x was holding a 5.1ghz boost clock at ~95C while using Prime95. We're never going to stress a CPU like that under normal gaming loads so it would be cool to see what the 7900x boost clock would hold while gaming. My 5900x alternates between 4.6-4.8ghz while I game which is pretty awesome considering 4.8ghz is the box rated boost and mine will usually boost to 4.9ghz while sitting in Windows. A whole GHz boost probably won't make a lick of difference in gaming fps at my resolution but it is just a cool thing to flex.

 

[blackshadow]

[mention]dwwaino [/mention] are you going 40 series GPU or will you wait to see how the AMD offerings look?

 

[dwwaino]

[mention]dwwaino [/mention] are you going 40 series GPU or will you wait to see how the AMD offerings look?

Going 4000. 4080 or 4090, not sure yet. Will start getting parts around Christmas and will make the decision on which graphics card last a couple months later.