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rfctiger74 said:
Given the average age of the WCE member, I assume it has lots of ramps, hand rails in the loos, and the seats are the slim dusty lift chairs
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Your partly correct but they are also including all the features that you have mentioned to make the stadium user friendly for the visiting Richmond supporters who last watched a Richmond premiership.
 
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It'll be a brave eagles supporter who gives up their membership thinking they'll be able to stroll in off the street any time they want.

With so many people desperate enough to pay year on year just to stay on a waiting list - and who will all buy multiple memberships when they finally get the chance - it wouldn't surprise me if the eagles sell out their new membership quota instantly.
 
When families stop renewing the memberships on their dead grandparents, and the FIFO's give up hoarding a membership to see 2 games a year, West Coast's numbers will drop back to earth.
 
Packer Stadium will make some people rich!

poor choice of location but so be it. Hopefully it improves the eastern suburbs
 

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Defacto said:
i hope subi isnt ripped up and turn into real estate. i hope they turn it into a community football ground, maybe knock down the older stands and keep the newer ones
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I'm pretty sure some of it is heritage listed, perhaps the gates?

If so, there will always be some component there. I can't see how they can retain stands and make it open to the public. Would be asking for antisocial behaviour and damage.

Ideal world would be to knock it all down but the members wing. Keep the ground as well lit open space. Perhaps develop some entertainment or small restaurants within it. Allow development on Kitchener Park instead.
 
holybishop said:
When families stop renewing the memberships on their dead grandparents, and the FIFO's give up hoarding a membership to see 2 games a year, West Coast's numbers will drop back to earth.
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Doubt it.

At most it will take one year of West Coast in finals contention and we'll return to the current status quo
 
Purple_Blood93 said:
I'm not sure how many members the Eagles have, around 45-55k I'm guessing? Probably wrong but anyway, here at Freo, the club is campaigning to get to 50,000 members.

So to me 60,000 seats with the option of expanding the stadium is perfect, so it's all down to how the clubs memberships numbers go in the next 4 years.
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Problem is the Eagles are already there, or will pretty much be by season's end, with Freo not far behind if they maintain this form into next season as well, which looks likely.

So the waiting list for both drop right down, but teeter just enough over capacity to maintain the prices where the clubs and stadiums ream the supporters - and that's BEFORE any real future growth to bring it back to the point it is now with people paying to wait years to get a seat.

To get the elbow room you are hoping for above it really should be 80k from the outset, but Govts will always do the cheap and easy approach first, eg 60k. I wouldn't expect it to jump to 70k and/or 80k for another 20years because after shelling out once, govts tend not to have the balls to do it again.
 

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Last thought from me for the night........

Quick question regarding the Swan River. How far up does it get salty?

The Yarra in Melbourne has a strong flow, but the tidal salt water was only kept separate from the fresh by a small waterfall right next to the CBD (that got demolished in yet another stroke of genius planning).

Even if it just gets salty in that Swan River "Bay" south of the CDB (just going by the maps here - have yet to make it to Perth) surely the afternoon breezes would bring in a fair schlock of salty air across the fresh new stadium.

My point being this comment in Wikipedia regarding the "COR-TEN" weathering steel on the stadiums facade (my emphasis):

Disadvantages
Using weathering steel in construction presents several challenges. Ensuring that weld-points weather at the same rate as the other materials may require special welding techniques or material. Weathering steel is not rustproof in itself. If water is allowed to accumulate in pockets, those areas will experience higher corrosion rates, so provision for drainage must be made. Weathering steel is sensitive to humid subtropical climates In such environments, it is possible that the protective patina may not stabilize but instead continue to corrode. For example, the former Omni Coliseum, built in 1972 in Atlanta, never stopped rusting, and eventually large holes appeared in the structure. This was a major factor in the decision to demolish it just 25 years after construction. The same thing can happen in environments laden with sea salt. Hawaii's Aloha Stadium, built in 1975, is one example of this. Weathering steel's normal surface weathering can also lead to rust stains on nearby surfaces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathering_steel

Just a thought. I'm sure it's probably been thought of, but architects do make mistakes fro mtime to time....
 
Plugger35 said:
Yeah it's a pretty boring design, they could've tried doing a square or triangle design just for something different.
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Screw that, they could have gone hardcore - THUNDERDOME

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The fans lose the booing, and just start the chant "two teams enter, one team leaves"
 
Monocle said:
Your partly correct but they are also including all the features that you have mentioned to make the stadium user friendly for the visiting Richmond supporters who last watched a Richmond premiership.
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you lie - when did WCE start letting more than 3 away dudes into their games? :)
 
JD-Roo said:
Last thought from me for the night........

Quick question regarding the Swan River. How far up does it get salty?

The Yarra in Melbourne has a strong flow, but the tidal salt water was only kept separate from the fresh by a small waterfall right next to the CBD (that got demolished in yet another stroke of genius planning).

Even if it just gets salty in that Swan River "Bay" south of the CDB (just going by the maps here - have yet to make it to Perth) surely the afternoon breezes would bring in a fair schlock of salty air across the fresh new stadium.

My point being this comment in Wikipedia regarding the "COR-TEN" weathering steel on the stadiums facade (my emphasis):

Disadvantages
Using weathering steel in construction presents several challenges. Ensuring that weld-points weather at the same rate as the other materials may require special welding techniques or material. Weathering steel is not rustproof in itself. If water is allowed to accumulate in pockets, those areas will experience higher corrosion rates, so provision for drainage must be made. Weathering steel is sensitive to humid subtropical climates In such environments, it is possible that the protective patina may not stabilize but instead continue to corrode. For example, the former Omni Coliseum, built in 1972 in Atlanta, never stopped rusting, and eventually large holes appeared in the structure. This was a major factor in the decision to demolish it just 25 years after construction. The same thing can happen in environments laden with sea salt. Hawaii's Aloha Stadium, built in 1975, is one example of this. Weathering steel's normal surface weathering can also lead to rust stains on nearby surfaces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weathering_steel

Just a thought. I'm sure it's probably been thought of, but architects do make mistakes fro mtime to time....
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River is salty in summer way upstream of that point but Perth has fairly salty air anyway. In summer the Doctor comes in almost every day carrying salty moisture. I lived in Canberra for 8 years until recently which is of course fairly inland. Whenever I flew back into Perth the first thing I noticed getting off the plane was the salt in the air. The Corten is not structural only really decoration on the concrete so shouldn't be a problem.
 
Tazmania said:
River is salty in summer way upstream of that point but Perth has fairly salty air anyway. In summer the Doctor comes in almost every day carrying salty moisture. I lived in Canberra for 8 years until recently which is of course fairly inland. Whenever I flew back into Perth the first thing I noticed getting off the plane was the salt in the air. The Corten is not structural only really decoration on the concrete so shouldn't be a problem.
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Ta. Would love to get over to Perth for a game in the current stadium before it changes.

I realise that stuff isn't structural as opposed to the examples I provided above I guess. You can just imagine the furore of spending however much on the stadium, then having to replace panels in only 8-10 years time to avoid rust chunk falling on patrons' heads after inspections....... that sort of thing.
 

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Underdog said:
60k is perfectly fine and would make it the 3rd largest stadium in Australia IIRC. The ability to upgrade is key.

Those suggesting we need an MCG size stadium are nuts.
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After the novelty wears off I wouldn't be that surprised if we only average around 40k and WC 50k for games that aren't blockbusters against less popular opponents.
 

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