PETA at it again

[medusala]

They have just called for fish and chips to be banned. Reckon that fishing is cruel. Shame on all those people that think these lunatics should be listened to. Hello Funky Freo.

 

[agitator]

this whole peta episode highlights what's wrong with our society when some crackpots can get unlimited media exposure to push their 'cause' even if there's no basis in fact. these protest groups make good entertainment for the cameras with weirdos dressed up in koala suits and waving placards around, and that's all the media is interested in.....not the validity or otherwise of the protest.

the american woman who founded peta claims to be against the cruel and unethical treatment of animals because they are god's creatures and we should respect them.

what a load of hypocrisy coming from a yank police detective, i wonder if she was concerned about the cruel and unethical treatment of 'humans' handed out by her police department?? i wonder if she was involved or witnessed any such behaviour during her career and if she complained about it??

now if we had a genuine media, this is the line of attack they should be taking against peta.

 

[Shinboners]

Pass me some more of that foie gras.

Ta.

 

[Bombers 2003]

They have just called for fish and chips to be banned.

Are you being serious or taking the mickey out of PETA?.

 

[medusala]

Are you being serious or taking the mickey out of PETA?.

No, I am serious. It was in today's Sunday Telegraph in the UK.

 

[Bombers 2003]

the american woman who founded peta claims to be against the cruel and unethical treatment of animals because they are god's creatures and we should respect them.

what a load of hypocrisy coming from a yank police detective, i wonder if she was concerned about the cruel and unethical treatment of 'humans' handed out by her police department??

Are you implying Afro-Americans,Latins etc arent Human?.

 

[Bombers 2003]

No, I am serious. It was in today's Sunday Telegraph in the UK.

Well then it's a silly suggestion.Having health problems,i know fish is better then certain meats as food.Chips ,however, arent neccessarily that healthy.

 

[otaku]

Well then it's a silly suggestion.Having health problems,i know fish is better then certain meats as food.Chips ,however, arent neccessarily that healthy.

but fish have feelings!! you cant eat them!!!

 

[Contra Mundum]

I feel sorry for those poor potatoes that have to be murdered to satiate our rapacious appetites

 

[Thrawn]

Yeah... like they can talk.

How many hundreds of animals die as a result of cultivation and the harvesting of their vegetables? All those poor little mice, gophers, rats, rabbits, et al which either die as a result of pest control to prevent them eating those crops or getting sliced under a harvester? Why aren't they concerned about them?

These idiots want milk banned too, not to mention pets. They argue that it is inhumane to dominate an animal, or keep it in a cage. I am starting to get the expression that these people don't give a ******** about animals at all, but rather want exposure and $$$.

Why does such a group ruin such a noble cause when other animal welfare groups are actually logical in their policies, not to mention less extreme? Some of their ideas are OK, like humane treatment for instance and that's fine. But a line has to be drawn when they want do to something stupid like banning dairy products and pets. It's just absurd.

 

[Mead]

There is one blindingly obvious problem with Peta

Okay, cruelty to animals in any form is probably not a good thing- but what the hell do they think animals do in nature when Humans aren't around? Sit around on tree stumps drinking tea out of tiny little cups and re-enacting Watership Down? Animals don't die of old age in their natural environments.

Technically I suppose it is pretty cruel to jam a hook in a fish's mouth, drag it out of the water and kill it. Its also pretty cruel for another fish to come along and bite it, then gradually and excruciatingly eat it alive.

Are Humans are supposed to be better than animals? There are two possibilities- either we're just another animal, in which case we're within our rights to eat from the food chain like anyone else, or we're a 'higher form' of life, in which case it would make sense that we have control over the earth and the right to make use of its resources. If that's the case, I can damn well choose to eat whatever I want.

Forget human cruelty animals, howabout animal cruelty to animals?! Pragmatically, if PETA were serious about reducing the suffering of, eg, the average adorable wild fluffy rabbit, they'd have to kill all the foxes in the world, or GM them to modify their diet. I don't think they'd want to do that, so why do they think they can modify human behaviour?

The basic idea of animal rights- that people should not go out of their way to be cruel to animals if they can help it, is a lot different to some of the crap PETA spouts.

They're a nutcase group of fringe lunatics and celebrity airheads, and they do the cause of animal rights a grave disservice.

 

[Thrawn]

Mead, poor analogy with the animals to animals.

Animals do not have a sense of morality, we do. Hence, we have a choice whether to be cruel or not. In nature, cruelty is often necessary. For humans towards other animals, it is not.

I agree with the rest, though.

 

[Thrawn]

But there is no bloody way they're taking fish and chips away from me - one of my favourites!

 

[Bombers 2003]

but fish have feelings!! you cant eat them!!!

Plants have feelings as well,so you cant eat them either.

 

[otaku]

Plants have feelings as well,so you cant eat them either.

Hey dont have a go at me!

I am a card carrying member of PETA!!!

 

[- PC -]

Mead, poor analogy with the animals to animals.

Animals do not have a sense of morality, we do. Hence, we have a choice whether to be cruel or not. In nature, cruelty is often necessary. For humans towards other animals, it is not.

I agree with the rest, though.

That is supposed to be the basis where we differentiate from animals ''the ability to make a choice based on desire not need''

But the funny thing is as posted is that the original aim of PETA was the Proffessional and Ethical Treatment of Animals and that isnt been served by banning fish and chips IMO.

One of the questions I ask of the Vegans and the people like PETA is ok lets all stop eating meat and start farming. Where is the farmland going to come from? We are urbanising our farmland quicker than we can process food.

Maybe we need another world war.

 

[Fire]

I have no respect for these people. At all. They are facists, and they are Terrorists.

These people have no idea. Absolutly none. zilch. It is often said that there is no such thing as a incorrect oppinion. However, I disagree. I believe there is no such thing as a rational incorect oppinion. rational of course meaning informed to at least some degree, and it doenst need to be expresssed in a Totalitarian manner.

PETA are wrong.

I was listening to John Laws this morning while I was picking cherries to beef up my uni find. (it wasnt my radio) There was this frighteningly stupid woman claiming that we shouldnt farm animals where there are flies. She also went on to claim that farmers are just lazy and greedy.
I wonder if this woman has any idea about what it is like to be a farmer. Wait, no I dont, I know she doesnt have a clue. You dont be a farmer if you want to be greedy. And you certainly dont become a farmer if you are lazy. You would be more suited to sit at home all day when you should be working, running up phone bills by making phone calls to John Laws to express your moronic ideas.

For everyone at PETA, I ask you this: If you had a tail, would you rather have it cut off or be eaten alive by maggots? And what do you suggest we do instead? Get the farmers to wipe their sheeps arse? If you succeeded in your goals, every sheep in the country would be killed, either by flies or by the farmers. Guess what? Killing every single animal in order to 'liberate' them is pointless.

Please, go and use your passion for something worthwhile, like all those people starving in Africa, Womans rights abuses throughout the world, child labour by developing nations. ANYTHING which would achieve SOMETHING worthwhile. Stop trying to rot sheep alive and ban people from eating.

Get a ********ing clue.

 

[Shinboners]

That is supposed to be the basis where we differentiate from animals ''the ability to make a choice based on desire not need''

Quite a lot of the philosophies of the PETA/vegetarian/vegan (sorry to lump you guys in together) stems from Peter Singers writings in his book, "Animal Liberation", written in the mid 1970s. In short, he argued that since animals were capable of forming relationships with each other, had memories, could experience pain (and try to avoid it) and could make decisions, it would be unethical of humans to eat them. The thing is that he couldn't prove this point with fish, but said, "Just to be on the safe side, we shouldn't eat fish".

Of course, he never addressed the point that whilst a human could make a decision to eat vegetables instead of meat whilst hungry, a lion isn't going to want to make a similar choice.

In the end though, I don't have too many problems with vegetarians (I'm happy enough to make allowances for them if I invite them over to dinner) - hell, I even dated a few. However, it's the vegans that I avoid. Whilst I've known quite a few nice vegans, most of the ones I meet are so ideological about their beliefs that they want to enforce their eating habits on you. Vegans are like the born again Christians/Islamic fundamentalists/Amway sales reps of the food world, and should be avoided at all costs.

 

[Contra Mundum]

We have had a vegan over for dinner and she refused to sit on our leather coach - its all too hard

 

[Shinboners]

I met up with a friend at the Brunswick Street Bookstore and she brought along a vegan friend. They found me looking through a French cookbook, complete with photos of Boeuf Bourguignon, and I copped an earful from the vegan about "eating death". Which was quite ironic considering that the vegan looked like death, but that's another issue I have with vegans.

The funny thing was that my friend wanted to set me up with this vegan girl - and no, I had no idea why she thought this would be a good match up in the first place.

 

[Mead]

Mead, poor analogy with the animals to animals.

Animals do not have a sense of morality, we do. Hence, we have a choice whether to be cruel or not. In nature, cruelty is often necessary. For humans towards other animals, it is not.

I agree with the rest, though.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that we have a choice, and preventing unnecessary cruelty to animals is a good thing- inflicting pain for pain's sake is sick, no matter what the target.

Where PETA start to get into stupidity is when they argue that exploitation of animals is somehow inherently cruel- using the fish eating example- a fish exists to be eaten- if not by a human than by another fish, thats what happens when you're not at the top of the food chain.
Whether it ends up battered and wrapped up in newspaper or chewed to bits by a larger fish, the end result is the same, so why try and prevent people from eating?

The same applies to a certain extent to the fur debate- animals don't live forever in the wild, does it really matter whether they die as a result of a rifle shot or end up in a larger animal's stomach?

 

[Contra Mundum]

I suppose the argument with fur is the reason for the deaths are so trivial and the way they kill the mink are pretty barbaric as well.

Are we sure that PETA has said all the things they are alleged to have said in this thread? I would be amazed that any organisation that sought credibility would have a go at fish and chips. None of the allegations are sourced other than someone saying that they read it in the "Daily Telegraph" - hardly a credible source.

 

[Mr Q]

Whilst I've known quite a few nice vegans, most of the ones I meet are so ideological about their beliefs that they want to enforce their eating habits on you. Vegans are like the born again Christians/Islamic fundamentalists/Amway sales reps of the food world, and should be avoided at all costs.

I must admit, some vegan trying to enforce me not eating meat or animal products would probably be the only way to make me eat Maccas - so I could eat it in front of them. A Quarter Pounder should set them off nicely - I could offer them the pickles.

 

[Rodion]

1. Do animals have any more right to live than plants?

2. God or Nature has designed us to be omnivorous. There is nothing wrong, therefore, with eating meat any more than it is wrong for an anteater to eat ants.

3. PETA are idiots. They should be made to sit down and watch an episode of Happy Tree Friends. Then they would know what cruelty to animals is all about.

4. If it was a choice between losing a limb and being slowly hollowed out by maggots...

5. PETA are idiots.

 

[Thrawn]

3. PETA are idiots. They should be made to sit down and watch an episode of Happy Tree Friends. Then they would know what cruelty to animals is all about.

Hehe... Happy Tree Friends. Watched that on SBS, giggled for the first episode then I got sick of it. You can only go so far with dark humour I guess. Kinda reminded me of Ren and Stimpy.

However, I thought the Birdman clip was gold.