Peter Dutton - How Long?

[Dave]

What would be needed to get that across the line? They may have no mainland state governments or federal by the end of March.

Also even without compulsory voting, the relgious culture war BS doesn't work when we have a very small percentage of religous people in relation to the US. UK doesn't have compulsory voting, and its not like bible bashing wins elections there either.

Not sure, I'd have thought a referendum, but I don't know for certain.

 

[Blue1980]

Dutton hasn't even pretended that he's going to modernise the party and appeal to younger people though, has he?

They've not learned a lesson yet.

This praising of Pell is just confirmation that they've got no idea why they keep losing and think there really is a silent majority out there with conservative, religious views if only they could appeal to them.

Demographics and election results be damned!

And these apparent "silent majority" types, who do LNP believe these people are currently voting for?

 

[Blue1980]

Not sure, I'd have thought a referendum, but I don't know for certain.

Would the referendum be compulsory?

 

[Blue1980]

Bizarre? It’s a ****** disgrace

Its both. In a country where the majority of people aren't religious.

I woulid guess most people who have even heard of him (particularly those under 40) would only know of him via pedo accusations or cover ups.

So with those things in mind Dutton and Murdoch press think a culture war is a good idea, it is a disgrace morally, but politically suicidal too.

Its like they know their whole ultra-right agenda is cooked, don't care so will just choose this hill to die on.

 

[Saint]

And these apparent "silent majority" types, who do LNP believe these people are currently voting for?

I think the actual plan is to mirror what the US conservatives are doing.

That is, they've convinced poor people to vote against their economic interests because of some distraction about culture wars.

Their obvious problem is that Australia is nowhere near as religious, and far better educated than the US. The poor people the LNP wants to convince to ignore the fact their lives will be financially worse off are not actually religious nutters.

In the US, the rich conservatives and poor people are religiously aligned. Unfortunately for rich, religious conservatives in the LNP, the only people who tolerate religion in Australia are new immigrants who do it for the social factor and rich conservatives who don't know any better.

Poor people in Australia have better things to do on their Sundays. (It's why rich conservatives don't like work/events on Sundays, it got the poor people away from church/control).

 

[Schneebly11]

Dutton hasn't even pretended that he's going to modernise the party and appeal to younger people though, has he?

The only two recent youth policies I’ve seen from the Liberals are maybe banning TikTok and maybe reintroducing Conscription.

I’m sure the “youth” will flock to them if they implement those policies…..

 

[peetoo]

In the UK, post Brexit, the mob is seeing first hand the trap of taking culture wars too seriously

 

[Schneebly11]

In the US, the rich conservatives and poor people are religiously aligned. Unfortunately for rich, religious conservatives in the LNP, the only people who tolerate religion in Australia are new immigrants who do it for the social factor and rich conservatives who don't know any better.

Poor people in Australia have better things to do on their Sundays. (It's why rich conservatives don't like work/events on Sundays, it got the poor people away from church/control).

And that’s why you got the teals. Decades of the increasingly more reactionary RW Liberals taking more right wing cultural positions (most noticeably the SSM debate) without realising those “inner city latte sipping uni educated w*nkers” as they labelled them were solid Liberal voters. When a group of independents came along who were like “we’ll uphold upper class tax breaks but no religious bullsh*t” the inner city wealthy found their natural politcial home.

The Liberals are obsessed with going more religiously and culturally right wing to go after those migrants and poorer voters in outer suburban electorates, but these are solid Labor voters from poorer backgrounds who know of the Liberals reputation for favouring the upper class. The Liberals can try to run an astroturfing “supposedly left on money but hard right on social issues” third party in the outer suburban seats ala the teals in the wealthy areas, but in a way they already have. It’s called One Nation, and it failed to pick up more than 5% of the vote. Similar populist far right parties like UAP, Family First and the “Freedom” parties similarly never take off.

It’s why Albo was quite nuanced in his Pell death statement. Sure we would’ve loved for Albo to slaughter Pell (and deep down he probably does) but he knows he can’t appear too anti Catholic.

 

[Blue1980]

I think the actual plan is to mirror what the US conservatives are doing.

That is, they've convinced poor people to vote against their economic interests because of some distraction about culture wars.

Their obvious problem is that Australia is nowhere near as religious, and far better educated than the US. The poor people the LNP wants to convince to ignore the fact their lives will be financially worse off are not actually religious nutters.

In the US, the rich conservatives and poor people are religiously aligned. Unfortunately for rich, religious conservatives in the LNP, the only people who tolerate religion in Australia are new immigrants who do it for the social factor and rich conservatives who don't know any better.

Poor people in Australia have better things to do on their Sundays. (It's why rich conservatives don't like work/events on Sundays, it got the poor people away from church/control).

Compulsory voting and non religious population, yet trying same tactics as US.

One of the reasons they went into overdrive with the anti-Dan lockdown/antivax/freedumb crap. They are banking on people going with all the conspiracy theories, and to be sucked into culture wars. As we saw from recent elections though, that percentage of people is just a small vocal minority, who will dwindle as lockdowns/covid vaccines become more and more a distant memory.

Dutton's plan must be just wait/hope for economy to collapse, and then be able to blame Labor and get public sentiment against them, and get back in power and enact all their conservative wet dream policies.

If the above happens, I think it would be after Dutton is long gone. Also most likely, it will be a very different LNP to what we see now.

 

[Saint]

The only part I can't understand is that surely they are doing some polling on this stuff.

The only thing I can think of is that in polls, people will say they'll vote on their morals or state that they're religious. But in reality, they don't care anywhere near about that stuff as they do about money.

They should know this, because it was middle-class people voting for tax cuts in 2019 which won them Govt. Middle class people who said they'd vote on their morals, but then voted on their pocket.

Now the LNP are trying to convince poor people to vote against their hip-pocket in the hope they they have warped enough morals to support Pell?

 

[Sun Ra]

The only two recent youth policies I’ve seen from the Liberals are maybe banning TikTok and maybe reintroducing Conscription.

I’m sure the “youth” will flock to them if they implement those policies…..

That's not fair. Didn't Scummo have the bright idea of lowing the age for a forklift license to 12 ?
Then there is Hume's brain fart about getting first home buyers to raid their super for a home loan deposit.

 

[peetoo]

You wonder if going forward if the libs want to increase the numbers of females within their ranks, that it will be mostly religious nutters who apply, not the teal types

 

[Blue1980]

The only part I can't understand is that surely they are doing some polling on this stuff.

The only thing I can think of is that in polls, people will say they'll vote on their morals or state that they're religious. But in reality, they don't care anywhere near about that stuff as they do about money.

They should know this, because it was middle-class people voting for tax cuts in 2019 which won them Govt. Middle class people who said they'd vote on their morals, but then voted on their pocket.

Now the LNP are trying to convince poor people to vote against their hip-pocket in the hope they they have warped enough morals to support Pell?

Well now people have seen that Labor won't be raising taxes, having a death tax and other BS scare campaigns LNP ran, and the fact they racked up heaps of debt even without covid, they can't even claim to be the economically responsible ones.

So they are just done to culture wars and get the pro Pell vote?

 

[Blue1980]

You wonder if going forward if the libs want to increase the numbers of females within their ranks, that it will be mostly religious nutters who apply, not the teal types

I could see them doing the old conservative trope of using conservative black people, gay people, trans people etc. Either way people see through that BS pretty easily I think. I mean do Candice Owens and Ye really help the conservative cause in America?

 

[Gethelred]

What exactly are his principles? What piece of policy genius is he pushing that he thinks will make Australia better? Punishing refugees and people on the dole seems to be about the only thing he's done while in Government. Surely he doesn't want to be PM so that he can find more minorities to punish?

Formation of the combined AFP, Border Force, amalgamation of Australia's intelligence gathering apparatus and the pointing of it inwards.

He doesn't just want to punish the poor and refugees. He wants to turn Australia into a Panopticon.

 

[peetoo]

And his control freak nature in the data storage sphere probably contributed to the issues people have now thir optus data has been hacked
Very few countries insist on so much data capture and retention to own a sim these days. Hell mny phones have esim now. Not sure that could be moved into a bomb

 

[Festerz]

 

[DaRick]

Dutton and the Liberals are going down the old Johnny Howard playbook. They are ignoring the analytics from the last election that showed the millennials voted overwhelmingly for progressive parties. By the time the next election comes around there are going to be 4 years more of millennial voters and 4 years less of Howard worshipping boomers.

IOW, they're behind the times.

Completely unsurprising for a bunch of modern 'conservatives'.

That's the only reason why they'd be pulling this crap. It's definitely not due to commonsense, or because polling told them that it was an awesome idea.

 

[Schneebly11]

So they are just done to culture wars and get the pro Pell vote?

I think the Liberals have officially abandoned trying to appeal to “Teal” voters and are going after working class, heavily migrant, heavily religious voters in traditional safe Labor seats in outer suburbia by running a culture war platform.

 

[campbell]

I think the Liberals have officially abandoned trying to appeal to “Teal” voters and are going after working class, heavily migrant, heavily religious voters in traditional safe Labor seats in outer suburbia by running a culture war platform.

Racist slimebags.

 

[Schneebly11]

Racist slimebags.

Unfortunately it has worked for them before.

2001 got elected off the back of anti refugee and anti Muslim sentiment, and probably won them seats in 2010 and 2013 too.

It’s really the only thing they have going for them.

 

[Not Important]

spud, what an apt title.

 

[Festerz]

Yeah - get fecked you nasty. vindictive hypocrite

 

[E Shed]

As someone who works on the frontline in mental health I have met my share of very damaged, highly traumatized people & at least one sociopathic individual I consider extremely dangerous but he was completely up front about his desires to hurt others.

I still struggle to understand the likes of Dutton who present themselves as community leaders of high integrity & moral standards, always the first to lecture others on the dangers & failings of others all the while lining their pockets with as much as they can steal from the public purse & prepared to destroy the lives of others, defenseless women & children in pursuit of their own ambitions for power.

It’s the cognitive dissonance that blows my mind. The level of hypocrisy.

Unfortunately these are the types of people who have the skills & determination to climb to the top of the greasy pole that is politics.

 

[peetoo]

As someone who works on the frontline in mental health I have met my share of very damaged, highly traumatized people & at least one sociopathic individual I consider extremely dangerous but he was completely up front about his desires to hurt others.

I still struggle to understand the likes of Dutton who present themselves as community leaders of high integrity & moral standards, always the first to lecture others on the dangers & failings of others all the while lining their pockets with as much as they can steal from the public purse & prepared to destroy the lives of others, defenseless women & children in pursuit of their own ambitions for power.

It’s the cognitive dissonance that blows my mind. The level of hypocrisy.

Unfortunately these are the types of people who have the skills & determination to climb to the top of the greasy pole that is politics.

Often they are quite charming. I must be at odds with voters, but I don’t see an ounce of charm in the likes of potato and beetroot