Petition/Letter to the Club demanding an external review (now with PDF link in OP)

[1970crow]

Wait till he tells Dad he needs an external review of his pocket money performance

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Absolutely love Calvin and Hobbes. Probably my favourite. But Garfield and Footrot Flats wouldn’t be too far behind. I only have a few C&H, but read regularly. Every now and again I get the FF out and start from 1 and work my way through, have about 20. Probably should buy myself numerous presents one day and ensure that I have the complete works of each. My Garfield collection is woefully poor.

 

[1970crow]

Not sure why anyone is going on about this external review, they won’t hold one. They won’t listen to members, supporters or anyone below the extremely high corperate level.

Heck, I don’t even think they would even listen to David Pemberthy who is married to a board member.

I love the optimism and lengths this PodCast has gone to, but I simply think the arrogance of the club and board will just ignore everything they stand for. Everything will be ok next year!

Sorry, just to clarify. When you say, “will just ignore everything they stand for”, are you referring to the board? If so, our board is executing everything that I expect that they stand for.

This all comes down to being able to be judged against a publicly stated goal. I’ve posted this before, but I respect Port for that, they, “exist to win premierships”. Every decision they make we can all sit by the sidelines and laugh, cry or begrudgingly agree as to whether it assists in achieving what is a very, very, very, clear reason for existence.

And then us? We have no such publicised mission statement, no open and honest reason for existing. It’s all hidden behind the 4 walls of an incompetent board. They judge themselves only by the metrics they’ve set themselves and purposefully hidden from the people that afford them their influence. They then go out of their way to limit member elect influence and outgoing information at a board level.

We’ll never improve until we completely clear out the board in one single hit. But there’s no mechanism that affords that result. We’re experiencing exactly what many posters concerned themselves with when we had our first sham member elect ‘vote’.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Sorry, just to clarify. When you say, “will just ignore everything they stand for”, are you referring to the board? If so, our board is executing everything that I expect that they stand for.

This all comes down to being able to be judged against a publicly stated goal. I’ve posted this before, but I respect Port for that, they, “exist to win premierships”. Every decision they make we can all sit by the sidelines and laugh, cry or begrudgingly agree as to whether it assists in achieving what is a very, very, very, clear reason for existence.

And then us? We have no such publicised mission statement, no open and honest reason for existing. It’s all hidden behind the 4 walls of an incompetent board. They judge themselves only by the metrics they’ve set themselves and purposefully hidden from the people that afford them their influence. They then go out of their way to limit member elect influence and outgoing information at a board level.

We’ll never improve until we completely clear out the board in one single hit. But there’s no mechanism that affords that result. We’re experiencing exactly what many posters concerned themselves with when we had our first sham member elect ‘vote’.

The board of the Adelaide Football Club, ala Rob Chapman and Mark Ricciuto will not believe anything is actually wrong or needs to be fixed. They will sit back and say, if we tweak this and make a small change there, we will be ok.

They will not acknowledge Brett Burton is a problem. They will back the assistant coaches in.

They are a gutless board and will not sack anyone.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Nice that the club's social media get to roll out retirement news. Hide from criticism.

 

[kirky]

This is deep seeded. I mean this guy played in the mid/late 2000s and was saying abvout the club.

He also played at other "clubs" and said Adelaide was unique like that.

Its a sterile 100% corporation, where they woudl show upto teh club and feel like they shoudl bewalking in witha suit and tie.

I dont think this is what it should be about.

Need to get back to playing for the jumper and not playing for the P&L and Balance Sheet.

I remember a guy in the local soccer league... he would get paid on a thursday night... instead of pocketing it.. he put the money behind the bar and let his team mates drink for free after training.

I mean i know is not about getting blind drunk.. its the gesture... its the team building and comradery.

Pizza and Soda water at Dons house doesnt fix the problem. They will just show up on monday to the same environment.

Also.. dont give me this crap like promotinga . "high performavce culture" you can do this anyways... this is about how the players feel as part of teh club...

There is alot that has eroded strategically and culturally with the club... the move into Ancillaries like eSports etc... its trying to turn it into a US based sports team like an NFL team.. this is great for trying to boost profits.. but in Australia.. guess what you have to win.. and win premierships.. and your core is Sponsors and memberships. you dont get either of those if you arent winning

I would hazard to guess the "corporatisation" of our club has accelerated since Rob Chapman's appointment and then add Roo's involvement.

An external review is non-negotiable and its findings must be presented to the members, after all we are the ones paying the $$$ each year. Players come and go, sponsors can come and go but the membership are the constant.

 

[1970crow]

The board of the Adelaide Football Club, ala Rob Chapman and Mark Ricciuto will not believe anything is actually wrong or needs to be fixed. They will sit back and say, if we tweak this and make a small change there, we will be ok.

They will not acknowledge Brett Burton is a problem. They will back the assistant coaches in.

They are a gutless board and will not sack anyone.

I’d need to be convinced that they’re gutless. “Gutless” implies that they are avoiding an obvious decision. I seriously doubt they actually see that a reason for a decision to be made. This isn’t about weakness on decision making, it’s about having a culture that realises a decision needs to be made.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Absolutely love Calvin and Hobbes. Probably my favourite. But Garfield and Footrot Flats wouldn’t be too far behind. I only have a few C&H, but read regularly. Every now and again I get the FF out and start from 1 and work my way through, have about 20. Probably should buy myself numerous presents one day and ensure that I have the complete works of each. My Garfield collection is woefully poor.

Herman and Calvin & Hobbes my two favourites

 

[King Elvis]

Calvin and Hobbes for me - had all of the collections when I was younger.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

We had a branding strategy session at my work today and they showed the branding work that went behind ‘ we fly as one’ for the crows. According to that the crows are in the ‘ elite sports entertainment business ‘ and they exist to ‘ excite and ignite ‘ . No mention anywhere on the afc ‘ score card ‘ behind the branding of premierships . It was unbelievable

 

[Mike Smyth]

Spoke to an ex player who played not so long ago for us. He also said, the club is too corporate. Its not a club.. its more like a company/business. It lacks culture and it lacks inclusiveness.

if this is still the case then we may as well give up. Give the license to Norwood.

 

[1970crow]

I would hazard to guess the "corporatisation" of our club has accelerated since Rob Chapman's appointment and then add Roo's involvement.

An external review is non-negotiable and its findings must be presented to the members, after all we are the ones paying the $$$ each year. Players come and go, sponsors can come and go but the membership are the constant.

You’re not having a crack at a fellow banker, are you old mate?

 

[pjcrows]

I think we will see an independent external review.

 

[kirky]

You’re not having a crack at a fellow banker, are you old mate?

Ah yes, I have no respect for senior management in any bank - they have no idea what frontline bankers deal with. It is all talk and problems rarely get fixed and they have their snouts in the trough like you wouldn’t believe.

 

[SellarStardom]

if this is still the case then we may as well give up. Give the license to Norwood.

I think we would all find most clubs are heading that way if not already there. Outside of the supporters is Port really Port anymore. Is there the shinboner spirit, what about the Blues? Any club that is a club as we traditionally know it has very few members and cannot generate enough cash to compete.

It is just the way of most professional sports.

All that said, I think the independent review drums are beating too loudly now for the club to ignore.

 

[Elite Crow]

I think we will see an independent external review.

Is this another fair dinkum opinion?

 

[pjcrows]

Is this another fair dinkum opinion?

Who else's would it be?!

 

[Morning_Fog]

He said Pyke, contracted until the end of 2021, had the “trust and support of the board and playing group” and revealed “externally-led and independent” end-of-season reviews had been commissioned, which he expected would reaffirm that position.

Well, this is good news. I am very happy to say I am wrong but will thy implement any recommend changes?

 

[Elite Crow]

Who else's would it be?!

I’m hoping it’s fair dinkum intel

 

[Glenno23]

I’m hoping it’s fair dinkum intel

It's already been commissioned

 

[marty36]

I think we will see an independent external review.

What do you think an external review will discover first

Off field we are doing well and on field we are middle of the road

Because they seem to be actual results

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[robboaustralia]

Anyone ringing up AA this morning about the rumour of Chapman's mates doing the external review?

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[arrowman]

We had a branding strategy session at my work today and they showed the branding work that went behind ‘ we fly as one’ for the crows. According to that the crows are in the ‘ elite sports entertainment business ‘ and they exist to ‘ excite and ignite ‘ . No mention anywhere on the afc ‘ score card ‘ behind the branding of premierships . It was unbelievable

I don't have a problem with "We Fly As One", it's a perfectly good member/marketing slogan and without looking I'd say that every club, including the most successful, does something similar.

But it's not a mission statement, they are different things, and you are right to say that "existing to excite and ignite" doesn't cut it.

Port doesn't use "We exist to win premierships" as their member/marketing slogan (I don't think) but it's a perfectly good - if perhaps a bit simplistic - mission statement - that we lack.

Sorry, just to clarify. When you say, “will just ignore everything they stand for”, are you referring to the board? If so, our board is executing everything that I expect that they stand for.

This all comes down to being able to be judged against a publicly stated goal. I’ve posted this before, but I respect Port for that, they, “exist to win premierships”. Every decision they make we can all sit by the sidelines and laugh, cry or begrudgingly agree as to whether it assists in achieving what is a very, very, very, clear reason for existence.

And then us? We have no such publicised mission statement, no open and honest reason for existing. It’s all hidden behind the 4 walls of an incompetent board. They judge themselves only by the metrics they’ve set themselves and purposefully hidden from the people that afford them their influence. They then go out of their way to limit member elect influence and outgoing information at a board level.

We’ll never improve until we completely clear out the board in one single hit. But there’s no mechanism that affords that result. We’re experiencing exactly what many posters concerned themselves with when we had our first sham member elect ‘vote’.

Yep. There's the mission statement "why we exist", and then (I don't recall the proper term) a list of statements - principles of how we operate - as to HOW we will achieve that mission, and then a series of specific actions, linked to those principles, short and medium-long term, that state what we will do.

Now that may sound a bit fluffy, but it is the basis for good performance by any organisation in any field. And it is the sort if thing you would get/expect from a review.

With a clear focus on the mission, the organisation can measure everything they do against those goals "does this proposed action align with, and work towards, our mission and goals?".

The problem is, whether the management of the organisation, the people commissioning the review, are actually committed to, and capable of, acting on those things.

And to some extent, it doesn't matter who does the review, outside perhaps of some specialist experience and knowledge in the particular industry, because the success will always depend on the client.

Heck, I could do the review along with a few of my old mates fron consulting days, and probably do a decent job. But the client....

(Btw one Richard Fennel should get this from the earlier days of his career, I wonder if he has remembered!)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What do you think an external review will discover first

Off field we are doing well and on field we are middle of the road

Because they seem to be actual results

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Marty the review should be looking at our football operations not auditing our finances.

Ie. What are the reasons we have performed below expectations for the last 2 years?

What action do we need to take to fix this.

Despite the BS spin coming from AFC, the solutions won't be found inside the walls of AFC...

 

[marty36]

Marty the review should be looking at our football operations not auditing our finances.

Ie. What are the reasons we have performed below expectations for the last 2 years?

What action do we need to take to fix this.

Despite the BS spin coming from AFC, the solutions won't be found inside the walls of AFC...

You can say how it should be as much as you like

But it will be an entire club review

It has been rumoured it will be done by KPMG

Based on that do you believe it will include financial, onfield, and off field

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[GreyCrow]

Based on that do you believe it will include financial, onfield, and off field

No