Pick 8+10

[powerpies]

Jetta +collard both from sth frem, just like sparky + pendles from gippsland power!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Whilst he was serviceable in the seconds seconds in that position, he was never played there in the firsts, instead playing full forward and ruck (poorly).

When the seconds seconds are winning by 100 points every week, playing in defence is not much of a challenge!!

I stil maintain that we need talls equally, if not more urgently, than mids. I also maintain that having delisted/traded 4 talls and with only two genuine ruckmen on the list, that the best available ruckman must be a priority.

 

[daics cousin]

i am now starting to think middie at 8 and possible ruckman at 10.Yes we do need mids but we desperately need a good ruckman.so likely senario could be proud/selwood at 8 tippet/renouf 10.......28-houli armitage jetta collard,connors 44 either another middie --batsanis,peterred,boak or goldstein 63-kpp.If the recruiters are smart we will set ourselves up for a crack at the big one even next year if not definately 08.

 

[Lockyer24]

I reckon all these guesses will be no where near it just like last year

 

[Snoop Dog]

IMHO

8 - Will be a midfielder unless one of Gumby, Leuenburg or Thorp drops.

10 - Will be a midfielder or a KPF/Ruck. With Presti, Anthony, Clement, OBrien, Toovey, Maxwell, Wakes, Cox all big defenders KPB's will be left til later or rookied!

28 - the reverse of 10. Mid or KPF/Ruck

44 - Ruck/Mid/Utility

63 - Ruck/Mid/Utility

76 - Best available and probably will pass on it anyway unless they want Dawes and he is still there.

As Lockyer says though - probably all well off base.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

10 - Will be a midfielder or a KPF/Ruck. With Presti, Anthony, Clement, OBrien, Toovey, Maxwell, Wakes, Cox all big defenders KPB's will be left til later or rookied!

That logic is WAY off base - Presti will be 29 next year, Wakes will be 32, and the rest of those you mentioned are all 3rd tall defenders at best.

Presti is literally the only guy on our list that is capable, now or in the future, of taking on and beating some of the best tall power forwards in the league.

We need someone that can play on the Jonathan Brown's and Barry Hall's of the league. Hell, most of those guys would get rag dolled by Quinten Lynch. You can't just throw a 190cm, 91kg defender at a 195cm, 100kg monster - It isn't going to work.

This is why you can't consider guys like Maxwell, O'Brien, Anthony, Toovey and Cox any more than 3rd tall defenders, and we desperately need a developing 1st tall defender.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

That logic is WAY off base - Presti will be 29 next year, Wakes will be 32, and the rest of those you mentioned are all 3rd tall defenders at best.

Presti is literally the only guy on our list that is capable, now or in the future, of taking on and beating some of the best tall power forwards in the league.

We need someone that can play on the Jonathan Brown's and Barry Hall's of the league. Hell, most of those guys would get rag dolled by Quinten Lynch. You can't just throw a 190cm, 91kg defender at a 195cm, 100kg monster - It isn't going to work.

This is why you can't consider guys like Maxwell, O'Brien, Anthony, Toovey and Cox any more than 3rd tall defenders, and we desperately need a developing 1st tall defender.

Agree with this, Vinnie. We need to pick up a big-bodied key defender to play on the monsters that Presti currently takes.

 

[Snoop Dog]

That logic is WAY off base - Presti will be 29 next year, Wakes will be 32, and the rest of those you mentioned are all 3rd tall defenders at best.

Presti is literally the only guy on our list that is capable, now or in the future, of taking on and beating some of the best tall power forwards in the league.

We need someone that can play on the Jonathan Brown's and Barry Hall's of the league. Hell, most of those guys would get rag dolled by Quinten Lynch. You can't just throw a 190cm, 91kg defender at a 195cm, 100kg monster - It isn't going to work.

This is why you can't consider guys like Maxwell, O'Brien, Anthony, Toovey and Cox any more than 3rd tall defenders, and we desperately need a developing 1st tall defender.

Could not disagree more that tall defenders would be a priority. Would be amazed if that happened on draft day.

You talk about pwr fwds - Presti will take those for the next 3 years and typically a team only has one of them in their 18.

Clement probably has 5 yrs. As Clement gets older he will pick up taller blokes and his footy smarts will outweigh their bulk (really only Lynch/Thompson/Brown that is a gun pwr fwd in league that is to big for him - Presti will take them)

OBrien is a big unit and Cox is no shrinking violet either. Anthony will also definately hold down FB in a year or two as well.

We have plenty of talls up back and even if we grabbed one this year it would not be until late/rookie. We really only have two rucks and 2 tall fwds - that is where they will be looking.

They have recruited Cox, Toovey, OBrien, Maxy all in the last few years and all have paid off.

A guide will be the types they traded/delisted/promoted

Traded / Delisted

Walker - CHF/CHB/FB/FF/Bench
C.Cloke - Ruck/FWD
Hall - Fwd
Fanning - Ruck
Tarrant - Fwd

Promoted/Emerging

Anthony - FB - much in the Scarlett 'body shape' who seems to cope ok!
Cox - CHB/CHF - not sure if he will go fwd/back yet.
Toovey - HB
OBrien - HB/CHB/FB (as he matures he will move into spine)

As you can see - more backs emerging and more fwds being cut.

They simply dont need to use early picks this year on tall backs. Mids/KPF/Rucks will be the go.

Time will tell.

 

[schmendy]

Vinnie disagree with you. Below are the profiles of some of the premier backmen compared to Anthony + Cox. All data taken from club web sites.

Name club height weight
Barry Sydney 184 88
Lewis-
Thomson Sydney 196 93
Rutten Adelaide 191 96
cox coll 190 95
Anthony coll 191 85.5
McPharlin Freo 192 94
Scarlett Geel 192 95
Croad Hawks 190 96
Carol Melb 191 90
Rivers Melb 191 85
Average 190.8 91.75

Both Cox and Anthony are about the average height for kpp backmen. Anthony needs to put on a few kilos, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to since he is only 18. If you take away the tallest (Lewis-Thompson 196 - also the worst) and shortest (Leo Barry 184), they are all between 190 and 192 cms which is where Cox and Anthony are. If you consider that O'brien, Toovey, Maxwell and Stanley are not short people, you have got the basis of a fairly sturdy backline.

Remember that in the best backline of recent times neither Mal Michael or Lepitch were overly tall. I believe Michael was only around 190 cm.

As well, we should pick up Tarrrant and/or some other speculative kpp later in the draft and Reid next year.

Recent History has shown that the key to success in modern football is having a core of at least 12 midfield runners. Look at Sydnry, WC, Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Bulldogs and Richmond are following the midfield template and I believe we are following suite.

In short I believe that unless an elite biggie like Leunberger, Gumbleton or Sellar drops to 8, our first 3 picks will be looking for elite midfielders. Rucks and KPP will be looked at at picks 44, 63 and 76 (now that Tex is gone) and at our 2 rookie picks (the third reserved for Martin Clark).

 

[Murray]

Vinnie disagree with you. Below are the profiles of some of the premier backmen compared to Anthony + Cox. All data taken from club web sites.

Name club height weight
Barry Sydney 184 88
Lewis-
Thomson Sydney 196 93
Rutten Adelaide 191 96
cox coll 190 95
Anthony coll 191 85.5
McPharlin Freo 192 94
Scarlett Geel 192 95
Croad Hawks 190 96
Carol Melb 191 90
Rivers Melb 191 85
Average 190.8 91.75

Both Cox and Anthony are about the average height for kpp backmen. Anthony needs to put on a few kilos, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to since he is only 18. If you take away the tallest (Lewis-Thompson 196 - also the worst) and shortest (Leo Barry 184), they are all between 190 and 192 cms which is where Cox and Anthony are. If you consider that O'brien, Toovey, Maxwell and Stanley are not short people, you have got the basis of a fairly sturdy backline.

Remember that in the best backline of recent times neither Mal Michael or Lepitch were overly tall. I believe Michael was only around 190 cm.

As well, we should pick up Tarrrant and/or some other speculative kpp later in the draft and Reid next year.

Recent History has shown that the key to success in modern football is having a core of at least 12 midfield runners. Look at Sydnry, WC, Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Bulldogs and Richmond are following the midfield template and I believe we are following suite.

In short I believe that unless an elite biggie like Leunberger, Gumbleton or Sellar drops to 8, our first 3 picks will be looking for elite midfielders. Rucks and KPP will be looked at at picks 44, 63 and 76 (now that Tex is gone) and at our 2 rookie picks (the third reserved for Martin Clark).

Top post and well reasoned

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Vinnie disagree with you. Below are the profiles of some of the premier backmen compared to Anthony + Cox. All data taken from club web sites.

Name club height weight
Barry Sydney 184 88
Lewis-
Thomson Sydney 196 93
Rutten Adelaide 191 96
cox coll 190 95
Anthony coll 191 85.5
McPharlin Freo 192 94
Scarlett Geel 192 95
Croad Hawks 190 96
Carol Melb 191 90
Rivers Melb 191 85
Average 190.8 91.75

Both Cox and Anthony are about the average height for kpp backmen. Anthony needs to put on a few kilos, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to since he is only 18. If you take away the tallest (Lewis-Thompson 196 - also the worst) and shortest (Leo Barry 184), they are all between 190 and 192 cms which is where Cox and Anthony are. If you consider that O'brien, Toovey, Maxwell and Stanley are not short people, you have got the basis of a fairly sturdy backline.

Remember that in the best backline of recent times neither Mal Michael or Lepitch were overly tall. I believe Michael was only around 190 cm.

As well, we should pick up Tarrrant and/or some other speculative kpp later in the draft and Reid next year.

Recent History has shown that the key to success in modern football is having a core of at least 12 midfield runners. Look at Sydnry, WC, Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Bulldogs and Richmond are following the midfield template and I believe we are following suite.

In short I believe that unless an elite biggie like Leunberger, Gumbleton or Sellar drops to 8, our first 3 picks will be looking for elite midfielders. Rucks and KPP will be looked at at picks 44, 63 and 76 (now that Tex is gone) and at our 2 rookie picks (the third reserved for Martin Clark).

You can add Shane Wakelin to that list because he's only 191cm. I think your list shows that you can't judge position solely by kgs and cms. Your point is well made.

But from a Collingwood perspective the real question is -- forget the statistics -- will the likes of Anthony, Toovey, O'Brien, and Cox be able to play on the power forwards of the competition such as Brown, Hall, Tredrea, and Gehrig? To me, the answer is probably 'no'.

Cox spent at least half of this year playing football for Williamstown reserves... in the forward line. What little I've seen of him, I like. But at this point, him even developing into a regular senior player would have to be a bonus, let alone him developing into one of the premier backmen in the comp.

Toovey & O'Brien just ain't ever gonna be KPBs. Simple as that.

Anthony I wouldn't discount. He seems a genuine talent. But each time I've seen him play I've come away thinking that he looked far more like a James Clement-like utility/third tall. The type of player who could play on a pacy small one week, a medium-sized lead-up forward the next, and even pinch-hit on a monster if required. He does not strike me as likely to develop into a player who's gonna take on and beat power forwards on a weekly basis. Obviously, you disagree, which is fair enough.

To me, none of Collingwood's defenders look capable of playing on the best key forwards in the comp. That means we have to recruit one. I'm vehemently against this all midfield all the time recruiting strategy that some people seem to advocate. Sure, West Coast have a great midfield, but they also have an AA fullback (Glass) and a CHB who can't have been far off AA calculations either (Hunter). Take out Glass or Hunter and would WCE still have won the flag? Doubt it. Class key defenders are vital.

I'm all for recruiting the best available. If that's two mids, so be it. But if best or equal best available happens to be Nathan Brown or Eric McKenzie, then we should take one. Hopefully they'll add something to our list that I'm not confident any of our other youngsters can: the ability to play on power forwards.

With our aging KPPs, and with us using only one pick on a tall in last years draft, I think we'd be courting disaster to similarly overlook talls in this draft.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Vinnie disagree with you. Below are the profiles of some of the premier backmen compared to Anthony + Cox. All data taken from club web sites.

Name club height weight
Barry Sydney 184 88
Lewis-
Thomson Sydney 196 93
Rutten Adelaide 191 96
cox coll 190 95
Anthony coll 191 85.5
McPharlin Freo 192 94
Scarlett Geel 192 95
Croad Hawks 190 96
Carol Melb 191 90
Rivers Melb 191 85
Average 190.8 91.75

Both Cox and Anthony are about the average height for kpp backmen. Anthony needs to put on a few kilos, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to since he is only 18. If you take away the tallest (Lewis-Thompson 196 - also the worst) and shortest (Leo Barry 184), they are all between 190 and 192 cms which is where Cox and Anthony are. If you consider that O'brien, Toovey, Maxwell and Stanley are not short people, you have got the basis of a fairly sturdy backline.

Remember that in the best backline of recent times neither Mal Michael or Lepitch were overly tall. I believe Michael was only around 190 cm.

As well, we should pick up Tarrrant and/or some other speculative kpp later in the draft and Reid next year.

Recent History has shown that the key to success in modern football is having a core of at least 12 midfield runners. Look at Sydnry, WC, Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Bulldogs and Richmond are following the midfield template and I believe we are following suite.

In short I believe that unless an elite biggie like Leunberger, Gumbleton or Sellar drops to 8, our first 3 picks will be looking for elite midfielders. Rucks and KPP will be looked at at picks 44, 63 and 76 (now that Tex is gone) and at our 2 rookie picks (the third reserved for Martin Clark).

Correct

 

[Snoop Dog]

You can add Shane Wakelin to that list because he's only 191cm. I think your list shows that you can't judge position solely by kgs and cms. Your point is well made.

But from a Collingwood perspective the real question is -- forget the statistics -- will the likes of Anthony, Toovey, O'Brien, and Cox be able to play on the power forwards of the competition such as Brown, Hall, Tredrea, and Gehrig? To me, the answer is probably 'no'.

Cox spent at least half of this year playing football for Williamstown reserves... in the forward line. What little I've seen of him, I like. But at this point, him even developing into a regular senior player would have to be a bonus, let alone him developing into one of the premier backmen in the comp.

Toovey & O'Brien just ain't ever gonna be KPBs. Simple as that.

Anthony I wouldn't discount. He seems a genuine talent. But each time I've seen him play I've come away thinking that he looked far more like a James Clement-like utility/third tall. The type of player who could play on a pacy small one week, a medium-sized lead-up forward the next, and even pinch-hit on a monster if required. He does not strike me as likely to develop into a player who's gonna take on and beat power forwards on a weekly basis. Obviously, you disagree, which is fair enough.

To me, none of Collingwood's defenders look capable of playing on the best key forwards in the comp. That means we have to recruit one. I'm vehemently against this all midfield all the time recruiting strategy that some people seem to advocate. Sure, West Coast have a great midfield, but they also have an AA fullback (Glass) and a CHB who can't have been far off AA calculations either (Hunter). Take out Glass or Hunter and would WCE still have won the flag? Doubt it. Class key defenders are vital.

I'm all for recruiting the best available. If that's two mids, so be it. But if best or equal best available happens to be Nathan Brown or Eric McKenzie, then we should take one. Hopefully they'll add something to our list that I'm not confident any of our other youngsters can: the ability to play on power forwards.

With our aging KPPs, and with us using only one pick on a tall in last years draft, I think we'd be courting disaster to similarly overlook talls in this draft.

Why is it when ever the stats tell a story the response is "stats are not an accurate reflection".

Look we may well recruit a large back but it wont be early. The only way I could see it happening is if they rated N.Brown highly enough to take at 10. He has the possibility of playing up the spine in a variety of spots. Allen could be the other but he is more likely to end up as a fwd.

Ultimately I think your argument is flawed insomuch as Rocca is our only pwr fwd and arguably has less time to retirement than Presti or Clement. If your argument is about tall blokes and their time left in the AFL - Rocca should be your worry. We have nobody behind him. Same argument with the midfield group for Burns/Buckley and Licca. All closer to the end than Presti and Clement.

But the reality is Presti will take the 'man up' the big bloke role for a number of years yet and Hine will wait to see how the likes of Cox and Anthony come on.

The desire for a midfield is not bc of WCE. Its bc all of the recent Premiers have had an outstanding midfield group. Ours would not be in the top 10-12 in the comp.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Why is it when ever the stats tell a story the response is "stats are not an accurate reflection".

I thought my point was clear, namely I don't see any of Cox, Toovey, O'Brien, Maxwell or Anthony developing into defenders capable of holding power forwards on a regular basis. The fact that key defenders can be top-notch ast 190cm hardly means that Anthony/Cox and company will therefore be top-notch because they're that size.

Look we may well recruit a large back but it wont be early. The only way I could see it happening is if they rated N.Brown highly enough to take at 10. He has the possibility of playing up the spine in a variety of spots. Allen could be the other but he is more likely to end up as a fwd.

You may be right, but you're only guessing, as is anyone who's not the Collingwood recruiting manager.

Ultimately I think your argument is flawed insomuch as Rocca is our only pwr fwd and arguably has less time to retirement than Presti or Clement. If your argument is about tall blokes and their time left in the AFL - Rocca should be your worry. We have nobody behind him.

I wouldn't be against a tall forward either, quite frankly. I do, however, think that Travis Cloke has shown more as a genuine key forward than any of our youngsters have shown as a key defender.

Same argument with the midfield group for Burns/Buckley and Licca. All closer to the end than Presti and Clement.

In H Shaw, Thomas, Pendlebury, and Swan we've got some young mids coming through. Their emergence would relegate O'bree and Holland to their rightful position as second-string/depth mids. We also have the likes of Egan and Didak who could rotate through the midfield too. Obviously our young mids have got a way to go yet, but I'm more confident in them developing into quality mids than our young talls/mediums developing into quality defenders capable of playing on the big forwards. I'm not saying that our midfield doesn't need work. That obvious to everyone. I'm saying that working on our midfield to the exclusion of all other areas is poor strategy.

But the reality is Presti will take the 'man up' the big bloke role for a number of years yet and Hine will wait to see how the likes of Cox and Anthony come on.

Well, maybe. But again, you're assuming an awful lot. You don't know what Hine will do.

The desire for a midfield is not bc of WCE. Its bc all of the recent Premiers have had an outstanding midfield group.

For starters, I wouldn't rate Sydney's midfield 'outstanding'. Certainly not in the WCE class. Yet they've come within one point of being back-to-back premiers.

Ours would not be in the top 10-12 in the comp.

No argument here. But we'll get natural midfield improvement as Shaw, Swan, Thomas, and Pendlebury improve. If we use one of our first-round picks in this draft wisely, there's another good mid prospect.

 

[TOA.]

Height isnt everything. Just because Maxwell is 190cm, the same height as Mal Micheal doesnt mean Maxwell could play key defence.

Take guys like Kep Bradley and Brent Staker, both 197cm or over but cant hold down KP because its just not their style.

To me, guys like Toovey, Maxwell, Cox and O'Brien (havent seen much of Anthony so cant comment) they are all 3rd talls/ flankers in style more than anything else. Thats why they wont be key backman. Not because of their height.

Someone like Dean Soloman (189cm) was tried to be made into a key backman but it didnt work. Dean is a HBF, he likes to attack, he likes to run out of defence. It takes a certain style of player to be able to sit on a 100kg bloke and compete with him coming out of the goal square. You cant half arse it and put guys who might be well built (Cox, O'Brien come to mind) on them because it simply isnt going to work. Those guys like freedom, they like to attack. Neither have have shown any sort of apitude for coming out of a goalsquare playing on a full forward. Could they do it? Probably. Would they get exposed? Almost certainly. In short, you could get away with it, but you wont win a premiership with them playing key defence.

 

[macca69]

Height isnt everything. Just because Maxwell is 190cm, the same height as Mal Micheal doesnt mean Maxwell could play key defence.

Take guys like Kep Bradley and Brent Staker, both 197cm or over but cant hold down KP because its just not their style.

To me, guys like Toovey, Maxwell, Cox and O'Brien (havent seen much of Anthony so cant comment) they are all 3rd talls/ flankers in style more than anything else. Thats why they wont be key backman. Not because of their height.

Someone like Dean Soloman (189cm) was tried to be made into a key backman but it didnt work. Dean is a HBF, he likes to attack, he likes to run out of defence. It takes a certain style of player to be able to sit on a 100kg bloke and compete with him coming out of the goal square. You cant half arse it and put guys who might be well built (Cox, O'Brien come to mind) on them because it simply isnt going to work. Those guys like freedom, they like to attack. Neither have have shown any sort of apitude for coming out of a goalsquare playing on a full forward. Could they do it? Probably. Would they get exposed? Almost certainly. In short, you could get away with it, but you wont win a premiership with them playing key defence.

fully agree, spot on

 

[Snoop Dog]

I thought my point was clear, namely I don't see any of Cox, Toovey, O'Brien, Maxwell or Anthony developing into defenders capable of holding power forwards on a regular basis. The fact that key defenders can be top-notch ast 190cm hardly means that Anthony/Cox and company will therefore be top-notch because they're that size.

You may be right, but you're only guessing, as is anyone who's not the Collingwood recruiting manager.

I wouldn't be against a tall forward either, quite frankly. I do, however, think that Travis Cloke has shown more as a genuine key forward than any of our youngsters have shown as a key defender.

In H Shaw, Thomas, Pendlebury, and Swan we've got some young mids coming through. Their emergence would relegate O'bree and Holland to their rightful position as second-string/depth mids. We also have the likes of Egan and Didak who could rotate through the midfield too. Obviously our young mids have got a way to go yet, but I'm more confident in them developing into quality mids than our young talls/mediums developing into quality defenders capable of playing on the big forwards. I'm not saying that our midfield doesn't need work. That obvious to everyone. I'm saying that working on our midfield to the exclusion of all other areas is poor strategy.

Well, maybe. But again, you're assuming an awful lot. You don't know what Hine will do.

For starters, I wouldn't rate Sydney's midfield 'outstanding'. Certainly not in the WCE class. Yet they've come within one point of being back-to-back premiers.



No argument here. But we'll get natural midfield improvement as Shaw, Swan, Thomas, and Pendlebury improve. If we use one of our first-round picks in this draft wisely, there's another good mid prospect.

Reasonable points, but for every bloke you/TOA talk about that is over 190cm and is a 3rd tall there are just as many who are under 190cm who can hold down KP's (as mentioned in a prior msg).

So until CFC figure out whether Cox (who is a bloody mountain of a bloke at 19), OBrien (who is bigger than Mal Michael was at the same age), Anthony (who is as big as Scarlett and probably meaner) could fill KPB spots then I dont see them spending pick 8 or 10 on it (the only caviat I would use is if they got N.Brown).

Rather - given we have only 2 KPF who can hold down a Key fwd post then I suspect they will go that way.

PS Did not mean to ********** you off in my prior note.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Reasonable points, but for every bloke you/TOA talk about that is over 190cm and is a 3rd tall there are just as many who are under 190cm who can hold down KP's (as mentioned in a prior msg).

So until CFC figure out whether Cox (who is a bloody mountain of a bloke at 19), OBrien (who is bigger than Mal Michael was at the same age), Anthony (who is as big as Scarlett and probably meaner) could fill KPB spots then I dont see them spending pick 8 or 10 on it (the only caviat I would use is if they got N.Brown).

Rather - given we have only 2 KPF who can hold down a Key fwd post then I suspect they will go that way.

PS Did not mean to ********** you off in my prior note.

It's not that I don't understand where you're coming from. I do. It's just that we disagree on the likelihood of Cox and Anthony being able to play on the power forwards, and that affects how keen we are on drafting key defenders. It's a good discussion, and one that our football department have probably had.

No offence was taken, Snoop.

 

[Dazman]

I'm loving the fact that this draft should land us one of Selwood, Proud or Armitage. I rate these guys very highly.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Iv'e changed my tune. I now think the Pies will go for Proud and Riewoldt, and then probably Renouf in the 2nd round.

 

[Boy from the West]

This year 2 clubs have 2 picks in the top 10 - Pies and Geelong (Cats get Hawkins father/son and he is a top 10 player) and it is the super draft.

Pies cannot get it wrong. They have a marvellous opportunity to get something that will bear fruit both quickly and long term.

I just can't see them going for a Ruckman at 8 or 10, unless the unthinkable happens and Leuy is still available at 8, because from what I saw at champs and since in WA and a few TAC tapes there isn't a ruckman who is a genuine top 10 player.

I think to miss the opportunity to grab 2 genuine top 10 players while trying to plug a hole in the ruck is flawed thinking.

I believe that Pies will be thinking ruckman with pick 28 or maybe even 44.

 

[spartan-magpie]

some great posts here guys...

i think ( well i hope ) we will get houli and selwood.
a ruck would be nice..
robbie tarrant at the end might be a find...
And batsanis will be the james hird of this draft in years to come...

 

[HBF]

How about Selwood and Sellar?

 

[bradrowe#32]

Our selections for picks 8 and 10 depend a little bit on what happens before us, but I'd like any 2 of Selwood, Armitage, Thorp, Sellar.

For the other picks, I like the looks of Coalan Buckley, Clayton Collard, Lachlan George, Bachar Houli, Sam Jacobs, Jarryd Morton, Daniel O'Keefe, Brent Renouf, Will Schofield, James Thomson, Kurt Tippet, Ben Warren, Nathan Batsanis and Matt Lobbe.

And I would love to get Rhyce Prismall with one of our last picks.

 

[Jabso]

Vinnie disagree with you. Below are the profiles of some of the premier backmen compared to Anthony + Cox. All data taken from club web sites.

Name club height weight
Barry Sydney 184 88
Lewis-
Thomson Sydney 196 93
Rutten Adelaide 191 96
cox coll 190 95
Anthony coll 191 85.5
McPharlin Freo 192 94
Scarlett Geel 192 95
Croad Hawks 190 96
Carol Melb 191 90
Rivers Melb 191 85
Average 190.8 91.75

Both Cox and Anthony are about the average height for kpp backmen. Anthony needs to put on a few kilos, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to since he is only 18. If you take away the tallest (Lewis-Thompson 196 - also the worst) and shortest (Leo Barry 184), they are all between 190 and 192 cms which is where Cox and Anthony are. If you consider that O'brien, Toovey, Maxwell and Stanley are not short people, you have got the basis of a fairly sturdy backline.

Remember that in the best backline of recent times neither Mal Michael or Lepitch were overly tall. I believe Michael was only around 190 cm.

As well, we should pick up Tarrrant and/or some other speculative kpp later in the draft and Reid next year.

Recent History has shown that the key to success in modern football is having a core of at least 12 midfield runners. Look at Sydnry, WC, Melbourne, Adelaide etc. Bulldogs and Richmond are following the midfield template and I believe we are following suite.

In short I believe that unless an elite biggie like Leunberger, Gumbleton or Sellar drops to 8, our first 3 picks will be looking for elite midfielders. Rucks and KPP will be looked at at picks 44, 63 and 76 (now that Tex is gone) and at our 2 rookie picks (the third reserved for Martin Clark).

Thank you!
This is what I've always said. 191 is around the average height for key defenders. 5+ cm means SFA if you can spoil. It is not a matter of standing with your arms outstretched and seeing who can mark the ball first there are so many variables. Ash Hansen is around 198 which is pretty tall for a key forward, but he rarely beats players one on one who are around 190cm. Ottens is around 200cm, he still gets beaten by the Wakelins (191), Scarlett (191), etc. Sandilands is the tallest player ever, but he doesn't have a clue what to do down forward.

Height is almost irrelevant when it comes to key defenders. The facts are Anthony is a key defender, Cox I don't really know he is an odd character but can certainly play that role, Maxwell can be a key defender as well as a small defender. Despite my rant I believe we do need key defenders, but not before rucks, midfielders and even small defenders. I'm just sick of people saying "Anthony is too small to be a CHB/FB, most key forwards are 196+ now".