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List Mgmt. Pick 9

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THE_GUN said:
Just wanted to ask a question thats been on my mind for a while reading this thread
There seems to be a bit of an infatuation with big midfielders on this board when it comes to draft/trade and with already Cripps,KennedySetterfield,Dow,Silvagni,Stocker,Walsh,Cunningham and even Curnow C thats 9 players with midfield ability over 184cm.

How many is too many ?
I would be thinking a kid like serong/henry/weightman etc would be exactly what the carlton team needs
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Well for starters Henry and Weightman aren't midfielders, and Serong will be long gone by pick 9/10.

But I don't really think it matters how many talls you have in your midfield. Being tall is an asset after all and a group of big tall midfielders is going to have obvious advantages. The issue is whether those tall midfielders have the required mix of speed and endurance. If a 190cm+ mid prospect came along who has a bit of speed came along I wouldn't ignore him just because he's tall. But if he's slow then that becomes the significant issue rather than the height.
 
dangerousdane said:
The stats for players re injuring their ACL are huge, there are many reports online regarding this. A player who has done his ACL has a 6 times higher rate of re injuring the graft than someone who has never done it.

Whilst Kemp might have a good career, it’s too big of a risk for a player taken in the first round, let alone top 10. If it was in the second or third round I wouldn’t mind, the fact that he’s 192cm is also a big concern for me, 3 mids over 192cm is not good for team balance.
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That's interesting, just wondering where were the studies conducted?
Of course when you compare an individual to the healthy population that rate is alarmingly high. You can say the same thing of hamstring injuries, and in some cases that can be even worse, to the point where some athletes have to change the way they run. i.e. Cyril Rioli. But when you are solely looking at the re-injury rate of an ACL on its own the percentage is significantly lower. When the protocols are followed properly from rehabilitation standpoint to return-to-play, it shouldn't be a problem.
After all it is a contact sport, injuries are expected to happen so it's down to whether the list management staff and the sport science team are comfortable with his injury history and how dedicated he is to making it in the AFL.

Not advocating to draft Kemp, just stating the fact that ACL is not as bad as some make it out to be.
 
gandaal said:
Well for starters Henry and Weightman aren't midfielders, and Serong will be long gone by pick 9/10.

But I don't really think it matters how many talls you have in your midfield. Being tall is an asset after all and a group of big tall midfielders is going to have obvious advantages. The issue is whether those tall midfielders have the required mix of speed and endurance. If a 190cm+ mid prospect came along who has a bit of speed came along I wouldn't ignore him just because he's tall. But if he's slow then that becomes the significant issue rather than the height.
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Not always Its not extremely common to find players that are tall'is that have the speed agility and stamina that smaller players usually have
For afl football the perfect midgielder size appears to be between 180-190 max with only the elite over 190 thaat cn make it as a full time mid
players like Bont,Cripps,Fyfe, are extremely rare and for every 1 there are pobably 100 that show the potential but just miss out but with the smaller more agile types it appears to be more common. Just thinking similar to KPF the bigger they are the less chance they make it to the highest level.
 
THE_GUN said:
Not always Its not extremely common to find players that are tall'is that have the speed agility and stamina that smaller players usually have
For afl football the perfect midgielder size appears to be between 180-190 max with only the elite over 190 thaat cn make it as a full time mid
players like Bont,Cripps,Fyfe, are extremely rare and for every 1 there are pobably 100 that show the potential but just miss out but with the smaller more agile types it appears to be more common. Just thinking similar to KPF the bigger they are the less chance they make it to the highest level.
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So a midfield of Danger, Fyfe, Cripps and Bont would be shit as it would be too tall????

Don't think so....

If Kemp is elite and available at 9 (and we Are happy with the knee) then he is definitely an option IMO. But really hate the Doc situation (missing 2 years) so understand the concern.

The good thing is after CGS, there are more than 7 good options available to us including Kemp, Robertson, Serong, Ash, Young, Stephens and Flanders. All are capable of improving our team.
 

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BluesRule said:
So a midfield of Danger, Fyfe, Cripps and Bont would be shit as it would be too tall????

Don't think so....

If Kemp is elite and available at 9 (and we Are happy with the knee) then he is definitely an option IMO. But really hate the Doc situation (missing 2 years) so understand the concern.

The good thing is after CGS, there are more than 7 good options available to us including Kemp, Robertson, Serong, Ash, Young, Stephens and Flanders. All are capable of improving our team.
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Thats not what i said , I meant that finding players like these are extremely rare
 
THE_GUN said:
Just wanted to ask a question thats been on my mind for a while reading this thread
There seems to be a bit of an infatuation with big midfielders on this board when it comes to draft/trade and with already Cripps,KennedySetterfield,Dow,Silvagni,Stocker,Walsh,Cunningham and even Curnow C thats 9 players with midfield ability over 184cm.

How many is too many ?
I would be thinking a kid like serong/henry/weightman etc would be exactly what the carlton team needs
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I don’t think it’s height per se, but more about attributes. A bunch of players you have mentioned are either on or marginally above the 184cm line you have drawn. A few others aren’t really going to play midfield. To me, it is Cripps, Setterfield and Kennedy who are our bigger mids (and Kennedy is playing a fair bit forward). Big / tall midfielder is not a desperate need, but it’s also not at the stage where you should ignore best available if that so happens to be a tall midfielder.

We will just take best available.
 
THE_GUN said:
Just wanted to ask a question thats been on my mind for a while reading this thread
There seems to be a bit of an infatuation with big midfielders on this board when it comes to draft/trade and with already Cripps,KennedySetterfield,Dow,Silvagni,Stocker,Walsh,Cunningham and even Curnow C thats 9 players with midfield ability over 184cm.

How many is too many ?
I would be thinking a kid like serong/henry/weightman etc would be exactly what the carlton team needs
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Agree.

There is a tendancy to think bigger is better and not much thought as too what smaller players bring to the table that bigger ones can’t.


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THE_GUN said:
Just wanted to ask a question thats been on my mind for a while reading this thread
There seems to be a bit of an infatuation with big midfielders on this board when it comes to draft/trade and with already Cripps,KennedySetterfield,Dow,Silvagni,Stocker,Walsh,Cunningham and even Curnow C thats 9 players with midfield ability over 184cm.

How many is too many ?
I would be thinking a kid like serong/henry/weightman etc would be exactly what the carlton team needs
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Charlie will play CHF, not in the midfield.

Ed is probably closer to the end than the start.

Kennedy probably isn't in our best 22 at the moment.

JSOS will be played more as a forward.

I don't view Stocker, Walsh, Dow and Cuningham as big midfielders. They are tough, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're big midfielders.

We've got a few of the smaller midfield types including SPS, O'brien, Fisher, Gibbons and maybe Martin.

Always take best available. Serong will be off the board, Henry tied to Freo and Weightman is a small forward, not a mid. Probably look for a small forward later on in the draft.
 
If Kemp is sliding and we are intent on taking him I wonder if we would consider trading 9 (+2020 2nd?) for 14 + Geelong/WC 2020 1st or Brisbane 16 + 2020 1st.

You could bookmark the future 1st for Papley and leave open our 2020/2021 1st round picks to go after Wines or another mid while still drafting the same player.
 
Omega Blue said:
My only comment to this is, statistically if you can get two years from the injury you statistically have the same chances as everyone else.
ACLs are a two year recovery, you can play within a year but you're not fully healed until two years.
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Thats pretty interesting, not doubting its true, but it seems strange, that, if that's the case, then why do AFL clubs, let players return pithing 12 months, especially given the strenuous and physical nature of the sport?

In relation to Doc, going off your above info, I'm not sure id want him back anytime soon, given he has done 2 back to back.
 

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true blue19 said:
We could be the first, you always pick the best available. If Kemp is still available at our pick we need to pick him.
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I don't really subscribe to the drafting of best available at any cost, i think needs comes in to it a lot. I just don't see SOS and co picking a table defender at 9 if there is good mids and forwards available. The same with Kemp imo, i really rate Setters and having 3 mids over 192 is too big imo, especially as we play with 3 tall forwards already.
 
Ash or Kemp for me. I would love some of the others, but am aware they would be well gone when it comes to our pick. I reckon aside from probably our biggest weakness being small forwards (we should not be using a top 10 draft pick on small forwards anyway), we are lacking pace and run out of our backline, and our midfield still needs more support for Cripps. If Martin joins he would definitely help too, providing plenty of run forward of centre, but I would be pretty pleased if one of those two (Ash, Kemp) joined the blues.
 
dangerousdane said:
I don't really subscribe to the drafting of best available at any cost, i think needs comes in to it a lot. I just don't see SOS and co picking a table defender at 9 if there is good mids and forwards available. The same with Kemp imo, i really rate Setters and having 3 mids over 192 is too big imo, especially as we play with 3 tall forwards already.
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Agreed lets presume if the best available at pick #10 is a 200cm KPF / KPD that would not be suitable at all to the blues build it would just mean an existing KPP misses out on games and is played in the reserves.
 
THE_GUN said:
Agreed lets presume if the best available at pick #10 is a 200cm KPF / KPD that would not be suitable at all to the blues build it would just mean an existing KPP misses out on games and is played in the reserves.
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Or someone like McGovern with the capacity to play at both ends of the ground gets moved into defense.

Always take the best available unless you're splitting hairs between players. Then take on a needs basis.
 
The 2 area's of the carlton team that needs work from an outsiders point of view is quality outside runner's and small specialist fowards. Carltons midfield wins enough contested ball and will only improve with the growth of the team naturally . Dont think the big inside mid would have been a priority but maybe the blues have other plans for these positions.

Any chance fisher will play more time as a small foward ?
 

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THE_GUN said:
The 2 area's of the carlton team that needs work from an outsiders point of view is quality outside runner's and small specialist fowards. Carltons midfield wins enough contested ball and will only improve with the growth of the team naturally . Dont think the big inside mid would have been a priority but maybe the blues have other plans for these positions.

Any chance fisher will play more time as a small foward ?
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Fisher as a small forward? You don’t watch many Carlton games do you
 
THE_GUN said:
The 2 area's of the carlton team that needs work from an outsiders point of view is quality outside runner's and small specialist fowards. Carltons midfield wins enough contested ball and will only improve with the growth of the team naturally . Dont think the big inside mid would have been a priority but maybe the blues have other plans for these positions.

Any chance fisher will play more time as a small foward ?
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Half forward/mid most likely. Not sure where the club sees his best position though.

Quality small forwards can be drafted in the second round onward.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
Half forward/mid most likely. Not sure where the club sees his best position though.

Quality small forwards can be drafted in the second round onward.
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I think if he was played closer to goal he would be the type that could kick 30-35 goals a year and has the defensive traits required
 

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