List Mgmt. Pick 9

[Carl]

Some weird posts last night

SOS picks up the phone to Wright and asks him whether he wants to swap some picks.
Nothing is said but plenty is implied. So what?

SOS does the same thing with Fremantle re. Henry.
We're genuinely happy to nominate Henry, but if overs come about and things suit us trading down, we're all ears.

How on earth is this draft dampering?

EDIT: I can understand one person writing it, but three liking it?

I can understand your post. But I don't understand why 3 people would like it.

PS- I think on original post the poster is trying to say we shouldn't hold clubs to ransom, if we don't think the player is worth that pick. Would the AFL agree to 1 pick downgrade being worth pick 22?

 

[HARKER]

I can understand your post. But I don't understand why 3 people would like it.

PS- I think on original post the poster is trying to say we shouldn't hold clubs to ransom, if we don't think the player is worth that pick. Would the AFL agree to 1 pick downgrade being worth pick 22?

I felt there was another angle on the view and you're probably right.

You are also right in that you don't put a gun to anyones head and don't bid unless you seriously rate that player. It's just not nice.....

 

[La Dispute]

Regardless where he ends up Stephens looks like he’ll go on to be a very good footballer for whoever is lucky enough to nab him. Love his confidence to take players on running into 50 and executing. Just finds another gear out of nowhere.

Adelaide would be silly not to take him at 4.

 

[Gingerbread man]

It's not draft tampering. It's part of negotiations. Clubs don't have to match bids on players, so it's purely a strategic play to see what comes about.

Draft tampering is getting kids to tell interstate/other clubs that they don't want to play there and they'll be out at the first possible opportunity in order to slide to a specific club.

You sound like a Essendon supporter

 

[windows1]

Regardless where he ends up Stephens looks like he’ll go on to be a very good footballer for whoever is lucky enough to nab him. Love his confidence to take players on running into 50 and executing. Just finds another gear out of nowhere.

Adelaide would be silly not to take him at 4.

What about Flanders? What if they picked him?

 

[Sheephead]

That's why I completely disagree when people say we can't fit another tall/big bodied midfielder in our team.

He's quick and clean below his knees.

I have a strange feeling Melbourne will end up taking him at 8 though.

That’s fine with me - potentially leaves Serong for us.

 

[Funk]

Doesn't play out like that.

Hawthorn's list manager comes to us, says, "What's your plans for pick 9?"

"Your boy Finn looks perfect for us, would complement our forward line perfectly, plus gives Eddie a protégé to work with to time him coming on just as Ed'd retire!"

"... I'll get back to you."

They then go back to their list management team, and they discuss how to potentially dissuade our premature bid, offering up either a trade or opting to match should they rearrange things sufficiently. Communication between managers is pretty transparent, I'd have thought, and there would be little by way of direct backstabbing.

Gamesmanship, though, is another thing entirely.

This whole “keep good relations with other clubs” idea bemuses me.

I.e. we need to be “nice” to other clubs.

List Managers are professionals who are paid to work in the best interests of their employers.

They surely would all respect that fact and expect their competitors to wheel/deal to gain any advantage they can.

What would seriously piss them off is a List Manager reneging on an agreement.

Eg - seemingly what GCS did regarding Martin (agree to a deal and back out at the last minute).

SOS is a hard arse but once a deal is agreed - he honours it.

 

[Funk]

So we are finishing last next year and taking a ruckman at Pick 1.




That's it I'm off to Europe!

There’s no Chadstone in Europe..........

 

[thylacine60]

but there is

 

[Sheephead]

This whole “keep good relations with other clubs” idea bemuses me.

I.e. we need to be “nice” to other clubs.

List Managers are professionals who are paid to work in the best interests of their employers.

They surely would all respect that fact and expect their competitors to wheel/deal to gain any advantage they can.

What would seriously piss them off is a List Manager reneging on an agreement.

Eg - seemingly what GCS did regarding Martin (agree to a deal and back out at the last minute).

SOS is a hard arse but once a deal is agreed - he honours it.

Agree with the above and I think that legitimately good players like Green and Henry will and should get early bids, especially from same state teams or teams with publicised needs like us after a SF (Henry). I would be seriously disappointed if we didn’t bid on Henry unless FRE came to us with a very good offer. I’m not sure McGinness is that level though and suspect he will not get bid on until 2nd round or after Hawthorns first selection.

My gut feel is that GC will try and move up, GEE, ADE and PA also. GWS and FRE will be forced upwards by bids. I think there’ll be a lot of interest in the WA ruckman and Stephens. I think Kemp will be the faller this year, purely because of the ACL and it’s delay. If we want him at 9/10/11, I’d take him, but to be honest I’d trade down and try and get another 2020 first and a bit later pick. Kemp in my eyes could even still be there late 1st if history is anything to go by.Cooper Stephens and Dylan Williams should also drop. C. Stephens could be a really nice get late 1st IMO.

 

[Funk]

Fox has written that GCFC hadn’t actually offered a contract to JM this year (maybe a carry over from last year..), which if it was the case, would lend him to a DFA situation.

“ Gold Coast has the first pick of the pre-season draft but is unlikely to select Martin, considering the club hasn’t put a new contract in front of him all year”

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“Blues to get funky” - I like that idea......

 

[true blue19]

Problem is they still have to match the bid and will go into deficit in next year's draft. I think their next pick is 58. If I was freo I would take the risk, they know there are better players at pick 9.

I would be happy for us to pick Herny at pick 9 and Freo not match the bid. He's going to be a very exciting player.

 

[thylacine60]

I think if our tier one choices of Stephens, Ash, Kemp, Serong, Flanders are gone by the time we have our selection and we have a group of 4-5 evenly rated in tier 2, we turn to Fremantle and say, "We're going to bid on Liam Henry now, unless you want to give us pick 10 and 22."

Let Freo have their cake with an extra first round pick, then bid on him.

We then call Hawthorn and tell them we'll be bidding on Finn Maginness unless they give us pick 11 and 30.

We then have effectively pick 13, 22, 30 and 43. We can try to trade pick 57 for a future 3rd to someone like West Coast or the Bulldogs.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

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[true blue19]

I really like Serong, Jackson, Weightman and Kemp but I really think we need to split our pick because Robertson and Taylor would be a perfect fit for us. Robertson is a ball winning midfielder and I think could have a massive impact. Taylor is a highly talented small forward who will ad a lot of x factor to our forward line. Like most in this draft both seem had to place, Twomey has Robertson at 9 but other have him in the late teens and Taylor could end up anywhere in the 20's or 30's.
I also think we need to add a 2nd small forward with a later pick Kysaiah Pickett or Cameron Taheny would be awesome.

 

[bmaurizio]

Anyone one of , Henry, Pickett , Jackson or Kemp would be great outcome fir CFC.

 

[murphster]

Would love more possessions when he plays on ball. I’m hoping he tracks like Danger- forward young then midfield as his engine and smarts improve.

Better kick than Danger.

 

[sherrif]

Im a freo fan so this is an outsiders perspective. Looking at the draft it looks like you'll take the pick at pick ten after the Green bid. Anyone of Stephens, Jackson, Kemp or Roberton would be great picks. Personally think you should go for Jackson. His finish to the year was ridiculously good at Colts. Dominated like few others have in recent times. People forget he has only last year dedicated himself to football. His reactions at the contest and footy nous around the ground are really impressive considering he probably spent more time practicing and playing basketball in his teenage years up until this season.He could very well be the long-term Kreuzer replacement to knock the ball down to Walsh, Cripps, SPS and Dow. Has a giant leap and great movement. Really think he is the perfect option in terms of your long term list management. The chance to grab a talented young ruck might not come around for a while.

For all the grief the media gave you at the trade period you've ended up doing brilliantly. People forget you've already used a 2019 draft pick with a 2018 third rounder to get Setterfield on the list and also acquired Liam Stocker in a trade for only a five pick downgrade in 2019 draft. If you add Martin in the preseason draft (seems a certainty) then effectively you'e added Newnes, Setterfield (with a 2018 third rounder) , Martin and Stocker while still having pick 9 to use. While Eddie Betts should add a ton of leadership for only a late 2020 pick. if Docherty comes back like he should then thats a massive effective talent upgrade to your list for season 2020. Actually think it could be one of your best ever trade periods to be honest.

 

[thylacine60]

^^^^^^^
how's this?

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Im a freo fan so this is an outsiders perspective. Looking at the draft it looks like you'll take the pick at pick ten after the Green bid. Anyone of Stephens, Jackson, Kemp or Roberton would be great picks. Personally think you should go for Jackson. His finish to the year was ridiculously good at Colts. Dominated like few others have in recent times. People forget he has only last year dedicated himself to football. His reactions at the contest and footy nous around the ground are really impressive considering he probably spent more time practicing and playing basketball in his teenage years up until this season.He could very well be the long-term Kreuzer replacement to knock the ball down to Walsh, Cripps, SPS and Dow. Has a giant leap and great movement. Really think he is the perfect option in terms of your long term list management. The chance to grab a talented young ruck might not come around for a while.

For all the grief the media gave you at the trade period you've ended up doing brilliantly. People forget you've already used a 2019 draft pick with a 2018 third rounder to get Setterfield on the list and also acquired Liam Stocker in a trade for only a five pick downgrade in 2019 draft. If you add Martin in the preseason draft (seems a certainty) then effectively you'e added Newnes, Setterfield (with a 2018 third rounder) , Martin and Stocker while still having pick 9 to use. While Eddie Betts should add a ton of leadership for only a late 2020 pick. if Docherty comes back like he should then thats a massive effective talent upgrade to your list for season 2020. Actually think it could be one of your best ever trade periods to be honest.

You bring up fantastic points, while I personally wouldn't hate picking Jackson (I have a few ahead of him on my wishlist but I do like him), I can't see the club taking him. From all the talk and press the club has put out, we seem to be all in on DeKoning being our ruck of the future, so it would make little sense to use our top 10 pick on another young, developing ruck.

 

[sherrif]

You bring up fantastic points, while I personally wouldn't hate picking Jackson (I have a few ahead of him on my wishlist but I do like him), I can't see the club taking him. From all the talk and press the club has put out, we seem to be all in on DeKoning being our ruck of the future, so it would make little sense to use our top 10 pick on another young, developing ruck.

Not sure DeKoning would have star potential. Really think Jackson has that for what it is worth. Centre square clearances are so important to team success nowadays. Jackson, Walsh and Cripps could potentially dominate in that area for a long time in my view.

 

[windows1]

Is probably a good but moot point about Jackson. Not sure how Melbourne can say he’s one of their three best players (along with Green and Young) and yet pass on Jackson twice. Sure it’s mathematically possible...but unless they are flat out lying I don’t see it.

 

[Cripptonite]

My realistic preferences at pick 9:

1) Kemp- as so much natural talent and looks to have the ability to drag his team over the line. Can win clearances, take grabs, kick goals, great acceleration and loves to tackle. If he hadn’t done an ACL would probably be gone at pick 2 or 3 imo.

2) Stephens- Great runner with speed, can find the ball, would slot in perfectly at wing position. Carlton supporter too apparently.

3) Ash- Can break lines at half back, good kick, speedy, likes to put his body on the line and can find the ball. His first preference is to go to Carlton too as he said on SEN.

4) Robertson- Genuine midfielder who can find the ball more than most, wins clearances but could probably tidy up his disposal. Will be a solid player for many years but I feel lacks a point of difference which could elevate him to a star.

Although he’s a great prospect we won’t pick Jackson due to TDK. Hopefully Melbourne, Freo or GWS pick him in the top 10 so more players slide to us. Flanders, Serong, Young and Henry I consider almost no chance to get to us. I would also be shocked if we picked Weightman or Gould, they are just not SOS selections.

 

[sherrif]

Is probably a good but moot point about Jackson. Not sure how Melbourne can say he’s one of their three best players (along with Green and Young) and yet pass on Jackson twice. Sure it’s mathematically possible...but unless they are flat out lying I don’t see it.

Cheers I just read the article how Melbourne are looking at Jackson for pick three. Means he has to go at 8 unless like you said they are lying. Unless Adelaid takes him at 4 I think Freo will go for Stephens at pick 8 in the draft as outside midfield run and carry is our biggest need by far. That could all mean that Ash might yet slip to your pick.

 

[thylacine60]

Cheers I just read the article how Melbourne are looking at Jackson for pick three. Means he has to go at 8 unless like you said they are lying. Unless Adelaid takes him at 4 I think Freo will go for Stephens at pick 8 in the draft as outside midfield run and carry is our biggest need by far. That could all mean that Ash might yet slip.

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