List Mgmt. Pick 9

[HARKER]

We needed run in 2017 and Lochie was the perfect choice, will be a better player than both those players you mentioned in my opinion.

I can see a situation where Obrien is ecomes obsolete.
We have taken up Newnes, are likely to take on Martin, may yet take Stephen's and then have to park mids there also.
It's going to get very clogged up.

 

[HARKER]

Never reach - it is a dumb play - every time.

Being closed minded is much dumber though.
One has to be open to all possibilities all of the time.

What was the rule about ruckmen only a few years ago?
How dumb does that idea sound now? Hard to believe we subscribed to it. So closed minded.

 

[Robertio]

I can see a situation where Obrien is ecomes obsolete.
We have taken up Newnes, are likely to take on Martin, may yet take Stephen's and then have to park mids there also.
It's going to get very clogged up.

Teague has already said that Martin will play forward with Eddie, Newnes will probably be on one wing and we haven't even got Stephens yet. I think you are underating O'brien, go back and have a look at the St Kilda game and you can see the player he could become.

 

[Nori]

I think we are forgetting draft picks have less value to Foldcoast than actual clubs because of the concessions they have received. The value of picks to them as a result is diluted.

Yeah, that's if they were actually serious to begin with.

 

[HARKER]

Teague has already said that Martin will play forward with Eddie, Newnes will probably be on one wing and we haven't even got Stephens yet. I think you are underating O'brien, go back and have a look at the St Kilda game and you can see the player he could become.

Not underrating Obrien as much as highlighting that without balance some good players may fall off the grid.
You can keep adding more of the same but something will suffer.

 

[HBF]

Agreed.

I am happy to trade pick 9 but unless an incredible offer comes our way, we would be silly to do anything prior to draft night.

See who is there come that selection, and watch the offers roll in.

Even after all these years J, agreeing with you really doesn't sit well with me.

But it is a good point. I can see Gold Coast and Port both coming for #9 come draft night, and lets see what they are prepared to offer up.
SOS is no fool, so he'll do the best deal he can for our footy club.

 

[murphster]

There's a cleaner way to go about it.

Call Freo ahead of our selection at Pick 9. Tell them we're really needing a small, and Henry is one of the best available. But there are a few others we reckon we can get with an early second. Ask if we agree to pass on Henry, will they do a pick swap for later picks with us - 22 for 43, 57 and our future third.

They'd be about 260 points short of matching a bid at 11, but would have enough to match a bid at 16. They can take their live picks at 8 and 10, then wait for a Henry bid before trying to flip a future pick for whatever is needed to cover the shortfall - or if Henry doesn't attract a bid until 16+, they're set anyway.

We come out of it with Pick 9 intact for best available, no chance Freo gets our preferred player ahead of us, and Pick 22, which should be really well placed for one of Pickett, Taylor, Weightman or Taheny to land in our laps.

If Freo don’t do a deal with Melb for 8 and it gets to our pick we tell Freo give us 10 & 22 or we bid on Henry and you end up with Henry and 22 or trade with us and you get 9 and Henry, they would rather be picking at 9 than 22.

 

[HBF]

I understand that the lack of transparency may have always been there, but how did clubs not rise against this?
Never before has a club been gifted so much, so quickly and so easily.

What if GC somehow become competitive.....really competitive......Repeat premiership competitive. What will the football world say then?
Granted Gold Coast lost some quality players but they were already well compensated for that bringing in King, Lukosius and Rankine last year.
They also brought in 4 top ten players in 2016, therefore it's quite possible and even maybe likely that they've access to ten top ten players in 4 years.
What then if GWS fail and drop to the bottom of the table? We run this cycle again?

Gold Coast do have a problem but the AFL aren't working to fix the problem but rather make more problems for other clubs equally deserving.

My issue with the GC is that sporting clubs in general simply do not work up there, and the AFL imo are just taking a short term view to get them as competitive as they can quickly before the next round of players look to leave. You can bet your house that both Adelaide and Port will both come hard for Lukosius next year, and even potential recruits in Rowell and Anderson will have Vic clubs coming hard for them.

At the end of the day the AFL should never have put a team there. If they wanted a second team in QLD, they would have been better off putting a team in Cairns.

 

[Jeremias]

Even after all these years J, agreeing with you really doesn't sit well with me.

But it is a good point. I can see Gold Coast and Port both coming for #9 come draft night, and lets see what they are prepared to offer up.
SOS is no fool, so he'll do the best deal he can for our footy club.

Geelong will come for 9 if Jackson is still on the board IMO.

We will have plenty of suitors and we may be able to get decent overs for the pick.

Just play the waiting game and let offers come to us.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If Freo don’t do a deal with Melb for 8 and it gets to our pick we tell Freo give us 10 & 22 or we bid on Henry and you end up with Henry and 22 or trade with us and you get 9 and Henry, they would rather be picking at 9 than 22.

Yeah - it's also an asshat move to make which potentially has repercussions down the track. I'd prefer to play ball with them, no threats, just an offer to swap our later picks for their Pick 22 and an assurance we won't bid on Henry. They get to use their early picks, they can still match a bid for Henry, and we swap some later picks we may not need to use for a well-positioned early second. Everyone comes out ahead and nobody walks away with an axe to grind.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Geelong will come for 9 if Jackson is still on the board IMO.

We will have plenty of suitors and we may be able to get decent overs for the pick.

Just play the waiting game and let offers come to us.

Jackson will most likely go pick 3 and highly unlikely to get past GWS.

I think Adelaide are going to play the trading game and move back one pick at a time.

They're linked to trade with GWS to avoid a bid on Green. They're now heavily into McAsey, a player being targeted by multiple clubs trying to move up the draft board. Don't be surprised if they're soon linked with Henry for his outside run.

All about extracting maximum value out of pick 4.

 

[HBF]

Knightmare has had some serious movements in his most recent Phantom drafts. Has Luke Jackson moving up from pick 10 to pick 3. McAsey becomes important to those who need a KPD. Bids on Green and Henry and gonna see GWS and Freo make moves up the order to jump other teams who force their hand. Now has Serong going at 9 with Stephens still there and Kemp going at 13. SOS does love a discounted injured player and if he's available I reckon he will be all over him. This draft is going to be completely up in the air from pick 3 onwards. I wonder how the AFL will approach the broadcast as the live trading means they can't just announce the top 10 in order once it's finalised as their is far too much drama involved now.

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I would have taken Stephens ahead of Serong in that PD.

 

[hugebluesfan]

Geelong will come for 9 if Jackson is still on the board IMO.

We will have plenty of suitors and we may be able to get decent overs for the pick.

Just play the waiting game and let offers come to us.

Spoke to someone high up at Melbourne.
They want to trade with GWS and split pick 3.
BUT they want Jackson and so does GWS.
So if they give GWS pick 3, they will choose Jackson and Melbourne gets 6 and something .
BUT Melbourne misses out on Jackson.

No way will Geelong get a sniff of Jackson.....

 

[HARKER]

Spoke to someone high up at Melbourne.
They want to trade with GWS and split pick 3.
BUT they want Jackson and so does GWS.
So if they give GWS pick 3, they will choose Jackson and Melbourne gets 6 and something .
BUT Melbourne misses out on Jackson.

No way will Geelong get a sniff of Jackson.....

That makes sense.
Good to see clubs fighting it out for a silly old ruckman with premium picks.
Things do change

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Yeah - it's also an asshat move to make which potentially has repercussions down the track. I'd prefer to play ball with them, no threats, just an offer to swap our later picks for their Pick 22 and an assurance we won't bid on Henry. They get to use their early picks, they can still match a bid for Henry, and we swap some later picks we may not need to use for a well-positioned early second. Everyone comes out ahead and nobody walks away with an axe to grind.

Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[The Grover]

Spoke to someone high up at Melbourne.
They want to trade with GWS and split pick 3.
BUT they want Jackson and so does GWS.
So if they give GWS pick 3, they will choose Jackson and Melbourne gets 6 and something .
BUT Melbourne misses out on Jackson.

No way will Geelong get a sniff of Jackson.....

Melbourne have pick 8 as well.

Forget trading with GWS, just take Jackson at pick 3

Then maybe they can trade pick 8 for 2 picks between 10 - 20

 

[HBF]

Geelong will come for 9 if Jackson is still on the board IMO.

We will have plenty of suitors and we may be able to get decent overs for the pick.

Just play the waiting game and let offers come to us.

Jackson looks like he is Melbourne bound at 3.
Still think Port and Gold Coast will come.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Jackson looks like he is Melbourne bound at 3.
Still think Port and Gold Coast will come.

9 for 15 + 20 + delist Martin or GTFO

 

[Blue__Balls]

9 for 15 + 20 + delist Martin or GTFO

Gonna need a time machine for that one, mate.

 

[JustaBattler]

Being closed minded is much dumber though.
One has to be open to all possibilities all of the time.

What was the rule about ruckmen only a few years ago?
How dumb does that idea sound now? Hard to believe we subscribed to it. So closed minded.

Sounds nice eh? but, nope you are wrong - one doesn't "need to be open to all possibilities all the time" - if you are open to all possibilities all the time all you are evidencing is a total lack of direction/discipline/process/focus and strategy.

 

[HARKER]

Sounds nice eh? but, nope you are wrong - one doesn't "need to be open to all possibilities all the time" - if you are open to all possibilities all the time all you are evidencing is a total lack of direction/discipline/process/focus and strategy.

Do you really believe what you're saying here?
Football isn't static. Things are changing all the time....rules.... game plans and the ability to counter others' game plans....types you need and when you need them....coaches' desires...keep going....

If you've locked yourself into 'one way' you'll get found out in the end and be left behind.
One should always be open to all ideas and ways. Trick is to find a way to navigate through them for your own best possible results.

Of course we started off with a template to get this rebuild under way, but to be so stoic in that you won't consider better ways, should they come about? No.
We locked Bolton in for the long term also....but had to change tack. Same thing.

 

[thylacine60]

how many early picks do port want?

 

[BlueJet]

how many early picks do port want?

All of them.

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[thylacine60]

my god, they've morphed into foldcoast!

 

[JustaBattler]

Do you really believe what you're saying here?
Football isn't static. Things are changing all the time....rules.... game plans and the ability to counter others' game plans....types you need and when you need them....coaches' desires...keep going....

If you've locked yourself into 'one way' you'll get found out in the end and be left behind.
One should always be open to all ideas and ways. Trick is to find a way to navigate through them for your own best possible results.

Of course we started off with a template to get this rebuild under way, but to be so stoic in that you won't consider better ways, should they come about? No.
We locked Bolton in for the long term also....but had to change tack. Same thing.

Yes I believe what I have written - Carlton is nowhere near being able to gamble with picks and doesn't need to either. Most positions are now covered - time to add (more) depth to coverage - and depth is the best young talent you can get your hands on + development time. The task now is to have two strong sides and competition for places- not experiments and reaches because it looks like fun.