Pick Swap Completed

[*PAF]

Is there a discount for FS bids?
Also if no-one bids early and it goes past pick 56 can that bid be matched?

 

[Janus]

If Adelaide decided to bid their current #23 which likely to be #25 once the academy picks are settled we would need to match 559 points


If the draft order slides by two picks after the first round we will have:
#12 = 1268
#16 = 1067
#18 = 985
#54 = 220
#57 = 182
#68 = 59
#69 = 49
#70 = 39
#74 = 0

If the draft slips by two picks the sum of our picks outside of the three first rounders is 549 points and if the figures above are correct we would have to use all other than the #74 pick to match a #25 bid by Adelaide assuming of course they bid for Mead. Even then we would have a small points deficit in 2020.

It just seems to me that we need another deal to get us a second or third round pick and advance us in the first round of the Draft. This would allow us to pick Mead, two first round picks and have a couple of third round picks up our sleeve.

An alternative is to use the #18 pick which could well fall to a #20 on Mead then take the surplus into the Draft. Again I assume that the AFL would apply something they are not good at- logic, and credit the surplus 353 points to one of our lower picks thus advancing us up the order.

Yet another option is to carry an even larger points deficit into 2020 but if we are going to be using picks on Schofield and Jones that may not be feasible as we will need all the points we can get.

I hope there is something I am missing in all of this and some one can show me another alternative or where I am mistaken.

Yeah, you're missing the fact that as Fremantle, GWS and Hawthorn use their picks to match bids, those picks get eaten up and our picks in the 50s and 60s increase in value.

Let's say that Henry, Green and Maginness are all bid on within the first round (which they will be - even if we have to do it). So Adelaide's pick 23 would actually be 26.

It would go like this:

GWS loses 40, 59 and 60
Fremantle loses 49,58 and 69
Hawthorn loses 42, 50 and maybe 54

So by the time the Mead bid comes, what you claim will be 54, 57, 68, 69, 70 and 74 will actually be 51 (259), 54 (220), 62 (123), 63 (112), 65 (90) and 67 (69)...873 points.

Even if we can only use 51, 54 and 62, that's still 602 points...which would mean that even if Gold Coast bid on Mead with the first pick in the second round (nominally Pick 20, actually Pick 23 with F/S and academy bids, so the points required would be 815 - 197 points for discount = 618 points).

618 points required, when we have 602 points? I think we'll really care about a 16 point deficit going into next year. And that's in an absolute worst case scenario.

 

[robbo1981]

It's all just a head **** lol I'm tapping out until Wednesday.

 

[Coobk001]

This Fox Sports article about Jackson Edwards says the exact opposite thing to the Draft Central article:

Redirect Notice

I think people (including myself) got confused because the Crows said they 'wouldn't' match a bid on Edwards the National Draft. But 'wouldn't' doesn't mean 'couldn't'. Maybe that's the mystery solved.

Lol, this is all so confusing. The rule clearly states that you must nominate for the main draft if you want to match bids, and if you do that they must consume a main list spot. However this article seems to indicate the Crows only nominated him for the rookie draft, yet somehow they still retained a bid matching ability, even though that contravenes what the rule says.

Theres a lot of confusion, and either a lot of people are mistaken, or the rules are terribly written.

 

[Coobk001]

A rule summary document:

https://nabafldraftnom.com.au/images/form/booklet_mens.pdf

It seems clear below, but geez there's some conflicting stuff being said.

Father-Son Rookie Listing
Father-Son players not nominated for the bidding system can be pre-selected prior to the Rookie Draft by that Club if they have nominated for but not been selected at the National or Pre-Season Draft.

Bidding System
A Club can nominate an eligible Father-Son draftee, with the player’s written consent for the upcoming NAB AFL Draft. At the National Draft meeting in conjunction with Academy bidding nominations, each Club may “bid” for the player and if matched by the Father Son Club, the Father Son Club will forfeit one or more subsequent selections, to the value of the points required, in order to secure the player. If the Club nominating the Father-Son player declines to match the bid, the Club with the successful bid uses that selection to secure the player. If no bid is made by another Club, the Club that nominated the Father-Son eligible player will forfeit its last selection in the draft.

 

[raptalia]

Hahaha you fu**in wot m8

If Geoff Parker did this on Day 1 of the draft I'd be interested to see who takes our picks on Day 2 of the draft after Parker gets immediately sacked.

Firstly I am not going to do anything. I put that up as alternative not an answer. The Club has indicated it is open to further trading of Draft picks and if you bothered to look closely at our situation you might understand why.

So give us your best case scenario.

 

[bomberclifford]

Theres a lot of confusion. A lot of people are mistaken because the rules are terribly written.

FTFY

 

[Malibu#27]

Firstly I am not going to do anything. I put that up as alternative not an answer. The Club has indicated it is open to further trading of Draft picks and if you bothered to look closely at our situation you might understand why.

So give us your best case scenario.

It’s a horrible option though to be honest based on what we’ve already done.

If we were going to use 18 on Mead we wouldn’t have traded out 29 because 29 is a better draft pick than the latter picks. In fact if we were going to use 18 we would have been better off not making the pick swap, using 12 and 18 and 29 on Mead and we’d still have our 2020 first rounder.

Our best option really is to take the best three kids available (that aren’t Mead) and then match him with out later picks - who’s values will increase before we need to use them.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

raptalia if we choose to pick Mead at #18 there will be no surplus. That will have been the pick we valued him at and it (and its entire value) is gone.

So we effectively go from having three x first round picks and Mead to two x first round picks and Mead for no gain.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

So we can go into deficit but not surplus ?

What are you basing a surplus on? In your scenario we haven't matched a bid.

Any surplus goes into a pick in the current draft. And you can't add it to existing picks, it is the stand alone value of the points.

 

[raptalia]

Yes we have. We have matched the Crows #23 bid with the #18 pick.

We have over matched just as the Sydney Swans did in the example provided by the AFL and have 'points left over' to use their terminology.

I am not advocating we use #18 on Mead do but if we used the #18 bid we would finish with Jackson Mead and the #45 pick. We do not lose a spot in the draft but we slip from #18 to #45.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Firstly I am not going to do anything. I put that up as alternative not an answer. The Club has indicated it is open to further trading of Draft picks and if you bothered to look closely at our situation you might understand why.

So give us your best case scenario.

m8, scroll up a bit and check out the post which quotes yours and pointed out the massive flaw in your logic before you start accusing other people of not having 'bothered to look closely at our situation'.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Yes we have. We have matched the Crows #23 bid with the #18 pick.

THIS ISN'T HOW IT WORKS! ****ing hell dude.

 

[raptalia]

THIS ISN'T HOW IT WORKS! ******* hell dude.

Go to the link I posted and read how the AFL says it works because that is what I am following.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Yes we have. We have matched the Crows #23 bid with the #18 pick.

We have over matched just as the Sydney Swans did in the example provided by the AFL and have 'points left over' to use their terminology.

I am not advocating we use #18 on Mead do but if we used the #18 bid we would finish with Jackson Mead and the #45 pick. We do not lose a spot in the draft but we slip from #18 to #45.

I explained this yesterday. Either you weren't paying attention or you're just taking the piss now.

We can't use 18 to match 23 because we have already used 18. You only bid as your picks come up on the night.

There is no pre-draft bidding.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Go to the link I posted and read how the AFL says it works because that is what I am following.

Just take one god damn second to think about how a draft works and approach this logically.

Gold Coast takes pick 1 and 2. Melbourne take pick 3. GWS take pick 4, and so on. Eventually at the end of the first round, Port use pick 18. Let's say we use it on Kysaiah Pickett for argument's sake.

Four more picks go ahead, and the Crows are on the clock with 23. According to your hypothetical, the Crows put a bid on Mead. So how exactly do you propose that we would match that bid with pick 18? A pick that we already used five picks ago? Do you think that we'd have to give Pickett back?

That's not how it works. After we've picked someone with pick 18, pick 18 is gone. It's done. It can't be traded. It can't be used to match a bid even if we wanted it to. Which in that scenario we absolutely would not want to do, because we could just match the bid with a bunch of late picks instead.

There are parts of the draft bidding process that are complex. This isn't one of them. This is just basic counting. 18 comes before 23.

 

[bomberclifford]

RaptLOLia

 

[Jonts]

This is an enjoyable read whilst pooing
Will poop again

 

[raptalia]

I explained this yesterday. Either you weren't paying attention or you're just taking the piss now.

We can't use 18 to match 23 because we have already used 18. You only bid as your picks come up on the night.

There is no pre-draft bidding.

Got it.

Thanks for that Ford, so obviously we have to match with what we have on the night as the call is made. That means we will use third and fourth rounders to match a #23 bid if it comes. I guess the difficulty is trying to anticipate who will bid what on the night and being prepared. Of course Adelaide may not bid but if a bid of #23 or #25 eventuated we would not have much left in the way of third round picks after matching the bid. I suppose Adelaide will bid their second round just to **** us around?

The maths isn't wrong it is the timing that I had wrong.

 

[Macca19]

Yes we have. We have matched the Crows #23 bid with the #18 pick.

We have over matched just as the Sydney Swans did in the example provided by the AFL and have 'points left over' to use their terminology.

I am not advocating we use #18 on Mead do but if we used the #18 bid we would finish with Jackson Mead and the #45 pick. We do not lose a spot in the draft but we slip from #18 to #45.

I'm not sure if you are getting confused with the previous system, but currently bids happen live on the night, pick by pick. So Adelaide can't bid 23 on him until it is their turn to select a player with pick 23. So it's impossible for us to match a bid with 18 that hasn't come yet.

 

[powermacs]

Whoa, I just had to double check I hadn’t started drinking yet. Fascinating

 

[Ford Fairlane]

We will match with 52, 55 and 66 which will be a bit earlier after GWS, Freo and Hawthorn lose later picks. With the discount, the deficit will be negligible.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[benblinkau]

I think they get officially upgraded on the night with our last two picks.

I don’t think that happens anymore. They should just be on the primary list now.


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[raptalia]

I'm not sure if you are getting confused with the previous system, but currently bids happen live on the night, pick by pick. So Adelaide can't bid 23 on him until it is their turn to select a player with pick 23. So it's impossible for us to match a bid with 18 that hasn't come yet.

Thanks, I was assuming the process was pre Draft.