Pickett = Cheat

[Malibu#27]

Seriously crows fans we sit here and complain about how our club lacks mongrel and how we need to scrap for the ball more and blah blah blah and then a perfect example of a player going in hard is shown to you (albeit by a player from another team) and we scream bloody murder!

The bump was most definitely reportable it WAS NOT in my opinion suspendable however. It was a late bump yes but we are playing football here, not netball. It is a contact sport and you are allowed to bump into other players. The AFL should review it, look at it, make a few jokes about Pickett hitting him harder than a Pt Lincoln stobie pole and then chuck it out.

Montgomery's would be the bump that would result in a suspension if i had my way, there was much more malice in that bump than there was in Pickett's.

Toughen up Crows and Crowettes, if Begley had done it to Pickett we'd be applauding him right now (I would anyway)

No - it was reportable and will get games - how many is hard to tell as I have this feeling the new system is not going to be very favourable in this case so I'm thinking 6 minimum (judging by how the system seems to grade incidents).
I do however find it hard to understand how it can be described as a dog act. Given the way Pickett hits if he had hit Begleys head as hard and deliberately as some want to suggest I can almost guarantee Begley would not have been walking off the ground (aided or not). So that tells me that the contact either wasn't as hard as Pickett normally would be - or the contact wasnt straight on - probably also supported by the fact Picket ended up going over the top.

All that said he probably deserved 4 - but will get 6-7.

 

[snap-shot]

Pickett sometimes gets a little carried away with playing his "thug" role. He will get matches and he should get matches 3-4. He was playing well until that marker of the game. It was pretty embarrassing, Pickett lined Begley up for the bump, Begley knew it was coming and didn't hold onto the ball, and Pickett didn't pull out and he'll get the time he deserves.

Hopefully Begley will return and not put out by this.

 

[tredders16]

This man is an arrogant thug who is a disgrace to a medal such champions as Andrew Mcleod have won. This is an incredibly cheap shot on Begley in a pre-season game, men have been shot for less.

There is a fine line between playing Hard and just cheating and Pickett IMO has crossed it

By the way you are talking anyone would think that you have played over 100 AFL games, made All Australian, played in two premierships AND won a Norm Smith.

I will admit that Byron committed a very crude and un-necessary bump on Begley and plays a very hard game while using his body to his advantage but his record proves that he has done pretty well with what ability he has. He will get about four games under the new system but lets not forget about a certain ex-captain of yours that also committed a very crude act a couple of years ago. Or is you memory tarnished on that one?

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Just hasnt been caught at it that all.

With all the TV footage of every game during Picketts career thats a very silly thing to say.

 

[Mong]

lets not forget about a certain ex-captain of yours that also committed a very crude act a couple of years ago. Or is you memory tarnished on that one?

We remember. But what has it got to do with this? It's that stock standard lame reply by you guys. Why deflect attention to Bickley? That was well covered at the time and it has all of about ZERO to do with this incident.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

By the way you are talking anyone would think that you have played over 100 AFL games, made All Australian, played in two premierships AND won a Norm Smith.

I will admit that Byron committed a very crude and un-necessary bump on Begley and plays a very hard game while using his body to his advantage but his record proves that he has done pretty well with what ability he has. He will get about four games under the new system but lets not forget about a certain ex-captain of yours that also committed a very crude act a couple of years ago. Or is you memory tarnished on that one?

Your not wrong there - that was pure thuggery.

Yes Picketts act was stupid, reckless and hel get time. For one to say that he doesnt deserve to wear a norm smith coz of that ur just an idiot. Byron was superb on Grand final day last year. You cant take that away from him

 

[Macca19]

Have it handy do you. Selective memory again.

Ditto my first comments.

Actually I do have Roos hit on Kemp on video. Just have to search thru my old sports videos to find it.

As for the elbow. Please name me one time where Pickett has got someone with an outstretched elbow. I strongly doubt there has been as if he did he would have most definately been reported before...and considering this is his first ever report for one of his bumps, i really have to doubt there being one.

His bumps may be dangerous and sometimes high, but one thing ive never ever seen him do is get someone with an elbow Bickley style and i reckon Kangaroos supporters would tell you the same as well.

 

[Macca19]

This will be a very interesting case for the new tribunal set-up. My understanding is that they look at the following factors:
Incident - Was it intentional, reckless or negligent
Impact - Severe, high, medium, low
Where - In play or behind play
Contact - High or body

At best the incident was reckless, maybe intentional, probably high impact, in play and high contact. On SEN, Kevin Bartlett said that if it's called reckless then that equates to a 4 week penalty, which if he pleads guilty can be reduced by 25%. If it's deemed intentional then it would probably go to the tribunal and more than likely be a higher penalty.

Very silly act with a minute to go in the game.

The whole new system is a bit confusing but this is how ive semi-sorted out what will happen:

Best case scenario:
COnduct - reckless (2 points)
Impact - high (3)
Location - In Play (1)
Contact - high (2)

Thats 8 points which gives him a level 4 Rough contact offence

This gives him 425 points to being with.

I dont beleive he has been suspended in the past 3-5 seasons so if this is true he gets 25% off. If he pleads guilty then he gets another 25% off.

425 / 2 = 212.5

That equals a 2 match suspension with 12.5 points carrying over for if/when he goes to the tribunal again

If he has been suspended in the past 5 seasons then it makes it a 3 game suspension with 18.75 points carrying over.

It is more than possible the tribunal could see it as intentional (3 points instead of 2) and severe (4 points instead of 3) which would send him to the tribunal i think where he would most likely get 4 games.

Thats how i think it works but dont quote me on any of this

 

[Macca19]

You barracked for the Crows back then, Macca. Were you outraged about what Roo did to Dean Kemp when it happened, or has your outrage only developed with the benefit of hindsight?

I was still quite young back then but I didnt like it no. I remember thinking it looked like he had killed him. It was a fair bump as he got him with the shoulder but it was a very very hard hit.

 

[Macca19]

He will get 4-6 for that no doubt

If he gets 6 then its a severe over reaction. 2-4 is most likely

 

[maccas_no1]

If he gets 6 then its a severe over reaction. 2-4 is most likely

Yeah 6 would be a bit over the top I guess 3-4 would be fair.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Reckless!
Wouldnt call him a cheat.

I hope the tribunal have got the balls enough to make an example of his thuggery.

Your criteria above should also take into account "past performance".

 

[Macca19]

We remember. But what has it got to do with this? It's that stock standard lame reply by you guys. Why deflect attention to Bickley? That was well covered at the time and it has all of about ZERO to do with this incident.

The only relevance it has is to clubs supporters defending their players. There were plenty on here that said 'he should definately go for that' (as almost every port supporter on this thread has said about Pickett) but there were also a number that said 'oh he didnt mean it, he meant to get his shoulder but his elbow slipped up, it wasnt all that late at all' etc etc

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I think the correct outcome would be 3-5 weeks.

Can we please stop having people defending Pickett, its making me sick.
If your only form of defence is to try and relate it to Bickley or Roo, that has no substance.

 

[PortProudWA]

He will get 4-6 for that no doubt it was downright stupid, reakless and malicious, no intent on getting the ball, you Port supporters might be trying to play it down but it cant be played down. The new tribunal system will also be out to make an example of him to set the tone to other players.

If he gets any less than 4 it's criminal, Montgomery will get 1-2 weeks for his late hit on Burton.

Lets out it into perspective it was pre-season game, try new thing's try player's in different positions try some kids, not go out and kill or put players in wheelchairs.

Bickley smashed Wakelin's jaw.....got 5 weeks.....That was dirty, reakless and malicious. You have lost the plot macca.....but then again, you never had it!!!

 

[PortProudWA]

The Krummel incident was very similar in my view. Deliberate head high contact should not be allowed.

He didnt hit his head.....he hit his shoulder!!!

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Bickley smashed Wakelin's jaw.....got 5 weeks.....That was dirty, reakless and malicious. You have lost the plot macca.....but then again, you never had it!!!

 

[Eggzoi]

Bickley smashed Wakelin's jaw.....got 5 weeks.....That was dirty, reakless and malicious. You have lost the plot macca.....but then again, you never had it!!!

Sorry, relevance?

 

[Stiffy_18]

So 4 weeks for that....and yet your ex captain only got 5 weeks for breaking Wakes jaw

Dirty low life, dirty mad player......LOL. You wish he was on your side handing it out instead of being on the receiving end. Dont worry he'll should be back when we meet again in Round 3

I wouldn't be so ********y

With the new rules the lowest he will get is 4 weeks if he pleads guilty. If he doesn't plead quilty he could get as many as six so before you mouth off again get your facts straight.

 

[relapse]

I think the correct outcome would be 3-5 weeks.

Can we please stop having people defending Pickett, its making me sick.
If your only form of defence is to try and relate it to Bickley or Roo, that has no substance.

As I said before power supporters have what I call a "comparitive defense mechanism", anytime there is any critism against port the supporters try and justify it by trying to bring up some comparitive garbage in relation to something that Adelaide have done, or they say stuff like "The crows do it too" etc etc

Thats why I just laugh about what they are trying to say cos its the same old tired routine the power supporters pull time and time again to try and justify any legitimate criticism leveled against them.

 

[Macca19]

Ah well there goes my theory out the window:

(taken from article on AFL site)

Reigning Norm Smith Medalist Byron Pickett looms as the first victim of the AFL's new set penalties tribunal system with the Port Adelaide star facing a minimum six match suspension at the AFL tribunal on Tuesday night.

Pickett was reported for engaging in rough conduct against Adelaide's James Begley during the first round Wizard Home Loans Cup clash at AAMI Stadium on Sunday night.

And despite having just one prior conviction in the past three years - a one match ban for striking while playing with the Kangaroos in 2002 - the man who was best afield in the grand final last September could now face the prospect of missing more than a quarter of the home and away season.

Pickett's collision with Begley was ruled so severe by the new AFL match review panel - headed by former Hawthorn coach Peter Schwab - that the case was immediately sent to the tribunal.



That means it was considered at least the equal of a level five offence worth 550 points - which would equate to an automatic five match suspension if Pickett had been given the chance to take an early plea.

But the fact that Pickett has a previous one match ban in the past three years means an extra 10 percent of points - 55 - are also added to his total taking it to 605 points or more than 600 - which equates to a six match suspension.

And the fact the case has been sent straight to the tribunal means Pickett will not have the chance to accept a 25 percent deduction in the total number of points his case allocated - which could have dropped his suspension by a week.

But if he pleads guilty at the tribunal, he could still receive a points discount


Minimum 6 matches? I havent seen a rpelay of the incident yet but surely its not worth 6 matches which would be I would think the biggest suspension for a number of years (not including Lynchs retired fluff 9 game suspension)

 

[jo172]

Ah well there goes my theory out the window:

(taken from article on AFL site)

Reigning Norm Smith Medalist Byron Pickett looms as the first victim of the AFL's new set penalties tribunal system with the Port Adelaide star facing a minimum six match suspension at the AFL tribunal on Tuesday night.

Pickett was reported for engaging in rough conduct against Adelaide's James Begley during the first round Wizard Home Loans Cup clash at AAMI Stadium on Sunday night.

And despite having just one prior conviction in the past three years - a one match ban for striking while playing with the Kangaroos in 2002 - the man who was best afield in the grand final last September could now face the prospect of missing more than a quarter of the home and away season.

Pickett's collision with Begley was ruled so severe by the new AFL match review panel - headed by former Hawthorn coach Peter Schwab - that the case was immediately sent to the tribunal.



That means it was considered at least the equal of a level five offence worth 550 points - which would equate to an automatic five match suspension if Pickett had been given the chance to take an early plea.

But the fact that Pickett has a previous one match ban in the past three years means an extra 10 percent of points - 55 - are also added to his total taking it to 605 points or more than 600 - which equates to a six match suspension.

And the fact the case has been sent straight to the tribunal means Pickett will not have the chance to accept a 25 percent deduction in the total number of points his case allocated - which could have dropped his suspension by a week.

But if he pleads guilty at the tribunal, he could still receive a points discount


Minimum 6 matches? I havent seen a rpelay of the incident yet but surely its not worth 6 matches which would be I would think the biggest suspension for a number of years (not including Lynchs retired fluff 9 game suspension)

Sounds like the new tribunal works than , hope i haven't spoke too soon, am i correct in thinking that Wizard cup games are no longer taken off as regular season games in terms of suspensions?

 

[Stiffy_18]

If he gets 6 then its a severe over reaction. 2-4 is most likely

On the run home on SEN they had someone from afl.com (can't remember who) on and he said that eh has previous suspension for striking and could get as many as 6 matches and if he pleads guilty could get away with 4.

Chocko recond the bump was legitimate so if Byron pleads not guilty then he could end up being rubbed out for 6 matches.

 

[*PAF]

On the run home on SEN they had someone from afl.com (can't remember who) on and he said that eh has previous suspension for striking and could get as many as 6 matches and if he pleads guilty could get away with 4.

Chocko recond the bump was legitimate so if Byron pleads not guilty then he could end up being rubbed out for 6 matches.

6 weeks?
FFS that is crap.
The new tribunal system is supposed to be for the good of the game not to totally stuff it up and mix up severely bad cases with ones that are nowhere near it.
Out of interest, how would Lynch have fared with this system?
I do not know enough about it to work it out.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Sounds like the new tribunal works than , hope i haven't spoke too soon, am i correct in thinking that Wizard cup games are no longer taken off as regular season games in terms of suspensions?

If he gets suspended he can still play Wizard Cup but serve the suspension in regular season. So if he goes for 6 weeks he won't be back before round 7 of this year. Those were the rules last year and I am not sure if they got changed with the new tribunal.