List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[Zach Package]

eth-dog

I'd go sikora over wood, wood is a known commodity, but not a very good one. Sikora I think is worth a punt, could play next year, but still only like 23, over 200cms and still improving imo

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Pick 1s are rarely worth their number 1 either.

Best out of these would be Riewoldt, Hodge and Goddard that have truly lived up to the number 1 pick.

• 2000: Nick Riewoldt
• 2001: Luke Hodge
• 2002: Brendon Goddard
• 2003: Adam Cooney
• 2004: Brett Deledio
• 2005: Marc Murphy
• 2006: Bryce Gibbs
• 2007: Matthew Kreuzer
• 2008: Jack Watts
• 2009: Tom Scully
• 2010: David Swallow
• 2011: Jonathon Patton
• 2012: Lachie Whitfield

That is a pretty formidable list of players IMO. I think most would be in the top half dozen players in their respective teams. It shows the first crack is usually pretty damn good, even if you get exceptions that prove the rule in Jack Watts.

 

[eth-dog]

eth-dog

I'd go sikora over wood, wood is a known commodity, but not a very good one. Sikora I think is worth a punt, could play next year, but still only like 23, over 200cms and still improving imo

It was efcboy who suggested Wood, not me . I suggested Bart McCulloch (sp?) former Brisbane player

 

[emblurr]

I know talking in hindsight is pretty pointless, but would you take those players with the number 1 draft pick again?

 

[Whispering_Jack]

I know talking in hindsight is pretty pointless, but would you take those players with the number 1 draft pick again?

Retrospective drafting is always fun

 

[eth-dog]

2000-'05 yes. '06-'09 no. The last three too early to tell

 

[HirdyLannister]

Pick 1s are rarely worth their number 1 either.

Best out of these would be Riewoldt, Hodge and Goddard that have truly lived up to the number 1 pick.

• 2000: Nick Riewoldt
  
• 2001: Luke Hodge
  
• 2002: Brendon Goddard
  
• 2003: Adam Cooney
• 2004: Brett Deledio
  
• 2005: Marc Murphy
  
• 2006: Bryce Gibbs
  
• 2007: Matthew Kreuzer
  
• 2008: Jack Watts
  
• 2009: Tom Scully
  
• 2010: David Swallow
  
• 2011: Jonathon Patton
  
• 2012: Lachie Whitfield

Gibbs is the hardest player of the bunch

 

[eth-dog]

Gibbs is the hardest player of the bunch

I'd love to have what you're smoking. First suggesting Hurley and Bellchambers for Adams and pick 1, then this?

 

[HirdyLannister]

I'd love to have what you're smoking. First suggesting Hurley and Bellchambers for Adams and pick 1, then this?

Sarcasm does really work via the net huh

An a few ppl seemed they would consider the TBC + Hurley trade. I would only do if we recruited 2 rucks, 1 mature age and a youngen

 

[yodellinhank]

Why would GWS be keen to help us out?

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Do numbers and letters in combination make others angry now?

 

[yodellinhank]

I've heard that there's some kind of "gentlemens agreement" between clubs that you don't bid anything later than a second rounder for somebody else's father son. So if they're a gun it's game on, otherwise you just let the club take him late.

Could be bullshit, who knows.

I'd call bullshit. Nothing gentlemanly about the other 17. Their gutless stance in the last week prove it's dog eat dog, and that they'll only act in their immediate best interests even if it means the competition is worse off down the track.

 

[WEEVZ]

Sarcasm does really work via the net huh

An a few ppl seemed they would consider the TBC + Hurley trade. I would only do if we recruited 2 rucks, 1 mature age and a youngen

Hurley has already said he's not going anywhere. He's already turned down an offer to move to GWS last year.

 

[Drummer_19]

It's just not worth giving up a ton to try and get the #1 pick in the AFL imo. In the NBA it's actually worth it since in a 5v5 enviroment a single person can have much more influence than they can in an 18v18 game or the dif a gun QB can make in the NFL. Better off giving up less to get a top 3-4 or even stretch it to a top 12 pick where there's still a ton of value pick and gain something of relative value than you'd get for 1.

Even looking at that #1 list while there's a lot of good players there's not that many you'd sell the farm for even with the benefit of hindsight to have their careers all over again based on what i said before on how much influence 1 person can actually have on an AFL field from week to week.

 

[FlyingV]

He is not worth pick 1. He just isn't. Tom Boyd is that good, but if you are talking pick 1 you are talking Nic Nat. Bellchambers is good, he isn't AA good though. Alone he is probably worth around pick 5-10, so it would require some serious steak knives to get pick 1. Pears + TBC might, but if I were GWS I wouldn't deal.

Mate, watch this place explode if GWS sign Buddy, everyone will assume they're giving away the top pick.
I think we should give up Bellchambers for either an Adams, or a top ten pick IF it guarantees us a gun young mid

 

[quotemokc]

This has probably been asked a few times but seeing as we dont have a 1st and 2nd round picks in 2013 draft and no 1st round in 2014, do we still get 3rd and 4th rounds etc in the 2013 draft?

 

[WEEVZ]

This has probably been asked a few times but seeing as we dont have a 1st and 2nd round picks in 2013 draft and no 1st round in 2014, do we still get 3rd and 4th rounds etc in the 2013 draft?

Yes

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Mate, watch this place explode if GWS sign Buddy, everyone will assume they're giving away the top pick.
I think we should give up Bellchambers for either an Adams, or a top ten pick IF it guarantees us a gun young mid

Would much rather the pick than Adams, he is just a bit meh for me, that said we could do worse. However I would hate to lose Bellchambers this year.

 

[Shane Mead]

It is all about getting a top 10 pick to use to get a player who can help us win now.

Watson and Goddard will be 29 next season, Stanton is 28.

The rest of our core is quite young, but we need to make a move to get into the top 4 next season. Worst case scenario is our younger core will get experience and find out what it takes to be contenders. I suggested Montagna, but it can be anyone.

Use a late pick on Dayle Gartlett, make another trade for a pick in the 25-20 range to use.I don't know the talent in the draft well enough so based on the little research I've done we could target a kid like Kennedy-Harris or Sheed.

 

[efcboy]

It is all about getting a top 10 pick to use to get a player who can help us win now.

Watson and Goddard will be 29 next season, Stanton is 28.

The rest of our core is quite young, but we need to make a move to get into the top 4 next season. Worst case scenario is our younger core will get experience and find out what it takes to be contenders. I suggested Montagna, but it can be anyone.

Use a late pick on Dayle Gartlett, make another trade for a pick in the 25-20 range to use.I don't know the talent in the draft well enough so based on the little research I've done we could target a kid like Kennedy-Harris or Sheed.

Dom Sheed is the one if we could get him

 

[lenny2013]

Use a late pick on Dayle Gartlett, make another trade for a pick in the 25-20 range to use.I don't know the talent in the draft well enough so based on the little research I've done we could target a kid like Kennedy-Harris or Sheed.

Would love to pick up Dayle Garlett, small forward/midfielder with the ability to play at AFL level next year is exactly what we need imo.

The talk is that norf are keen to grab him with there second rounder, would be good if he could slip through to the 3rd round and we could nab him with our pick 41.

 

[Shane Mead]

Would love to pick up Dayle Garlett, small forward/midfielder with the ability to play at AFL level next year is exactly what we need imo.

The talk is that norf are keen to grab him with there second rounder, would be good if he could slip through to the 3rd round and we could nab him with our pick 41.

I don't think North will use a pick on someone with the issues he has had. I feel comfortable Gartlett would slip. Regardless, it shouldn't be difficult to package pick 41 with a player to move up to the late 20's/early 30's if the draft is as weak as people are saying.

 

[Bennett.]

Daniel Cross worth a year?

 

[Jesse Custer]

Nah, not for me.

 

[Yoda_]

So rumours circulating still that the Bulldogs have offered a lengthy deal to Stewart Crameri whilst St.Kilda have been linked to Tayte Pears in the past month.


The tradable commodities are the ones who are replaceable or the ones who we have recieved an offer to good to refuse.

With Hille retiring we will need another ruckman even if TBC stays. Rookie a ruckman with previous experience I say. The most obvious one that springs to mind is Cameron Wood. He's no star but would be an adequate backup in the event of injuries. Collingwood gave up pick 19 for him from memory. Not sure what he has done this season after being delisted last year but this is the sort of player suited to a rookie list purely as an insurance policy.

Plenty of AFL listed ruckmen worth looking at. My #1 ruckmen to have a crack at trading for is Max Gawn. The young Melbourne ruckmen has DOMINATED at VFL this year. Still only 22 so development still left in him you would hope.
Even the other MElbourne ruckmen, Jake Spencer could be an option should he be offered up.

So much trade talk doesn't make sense to me. If Bellchambers is good enough to command a top 10 pick does it not follow that he is good enough to be developed into the club's number 1 ruck? One more preseason with the sort of improvement shown in the last should just about do it. So much flows from Bellchambers' development.

Contrary to popular belief, Ryder's best games were always in tandem with Hille. Ryder generally rucked later in games when he could jump over a battered opponent and otherwise run him off his legs. We then get an exceptionally mobile third tall forward who is seriously good at ground level and for who ground level pressure comes naturally which helps breath life into the forwardline.

As far as the hard leading half forward option is concerned Crameri is about as good as it gets. He just needs to stay fit and have the focus taken off him by playing alongside Ryder/Bellchambers and hopefully a combination of Hurley, Daniher and Gumbleton (I mention Gumbleton because Hurley should replace Fletcher). I think some of you need to remember that Crameri is still a relatively inexperienced player who has struggled to get a decent run at the game because of his body. He certainly has the physical attributes required to be a half forward.

I am not completely sold on Crameri mate. Sure, he get's the job done each week but it is the stuff he doesn't do that worries me. Tackles, chases etc. People have this idea in their minds that he is some ideal 3rd tall forward. It worries me and to be honest, IF he went, I wouldn't be completely offended by him leaving.

 

[Zach Package]

Pears for the saint's 2nd rounder?

I think Pears is a good one to put on the block because IMO he has value, but replaceable by people we already have on our list. Van Unen or Hardingham are similar in stature and style