Player comparison thread

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Not sure if this has been done but Gibbs vs Pendlebury vs Van Berlo?
All young and average pretty well but whos in for the best 2009?
Cheers

Gibbs hands down for me. He'll be more freed up this year to play a more open role in the midfield this year, as opposed to quite a few games last year when he was still used in a negating tagger role; most notably when he completely shut down Goodes. In the second half of last season he pulled in some massive scores, and gave a fair indication of what a star he will be both in footballing terms and DT. Mark my words this kid will be one of, if not the biggest improver of the season and push himself into the elite bracket come seasons end. Watch out!

 

[thebirdman 24]

Gibbs hands down for me. He'll be more freed up this year to play a more open role in the midfield this year, as opposed to quite a few games last year when he was still used in a negating tagger role; most notably when he completely shut down Goodes. In the second half of last season he pulled in some massive scores, and gave a fair indication of what a star he will be both in footballing terms and DT. Mark my words this kid will be one of, if not the biggest improver of the season and push himself into the elite bracket come seasons end. Watch out!

Thats a big wrap, was always keen on him coming down to the crows, although i do see him and Van Berlo as the same sort of player. Any wraps on Pendlebury?

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

Thats a big wrap, was always keen on him coming down to the crows, although i do see him and Van Berlo as the same sort of player. Any wraps on Pendlebury?

To be honest, i haven't really seen enough of Van Berlo to comment on his prospects for 09'. I remember he was talked up during last years pre-season and proved to have taken a step up DT wise, but not sure what kind of role he plays in the Crows midfield with Knights, Vince etc.

I see Pendles as a good, solid contributer. Most of his upside would be the fact he was ultra consistent last season around the 80-90 mark, although there were many games when he looked to crack the DT ton and fell narrowly short. Thus, the problem i see with him is that compared to Gibbs and Van Berlo, he is less likely to get scores over 100 as consistently often. This mightn't seem like much, but in the grand scheme of things, come seasons end the difference between the players overall scores could be quite a margin. I'm all for Pendles taking the next step in his game, but i don't see it happening just yet.

 

[lifelike_]

I've always seen Pendlebury as someone who's more suited to Supercoach.

I'd be surprised if he didn't improve this year, but at his price you'd be wanting his improvement to be at least on par with those around his price, and preferably above.

So much value between the 80-90 mark this year. Could be those one or two (or maybe even three) picks that could put you ahead of the pack.

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

I'm having trouble picking between Lockyer vs Newman vs Birchall.

Lockyer - not just because of his 147, but because of his 102 Av in 2007. I remember a mate picked him and I was amazed how good he was. If he is in that role this year I want him in my side!

Newman - I'm thinking Richmond DT scores will be going up this year (they are already a high scoring team) and I'm keen on having a Richmond back. How will the captaincy affect Newman? (he is the captain isnt he? Or in the leadership grp at least)

Birchall - A model of consistency. I've had him in my team for 3 years running now. The negating tactics being used on him last year are worrying however. I don't have any other Hawks in my team though, which I find odd.

I'm thinking lockyer = newman > birchall atm. But all will change I'm sure come round 1.

 

[flamer13]

I'm having trouble picking between Lockyer vs Newman vs Birchall.

I'd personally go with newman. he isnt the most consistent player in the league, but he turns up everyweek and hasnt missed a game for two seasons. he is capable of getting a big score, and i think that as richmond get stronger, so will his output.
IMO, i feel a lot of people are jumping onto lockyer a bit too soon. yeh he did average 101 in 2007 but if you look at his other years, he only ever averages around mid to high 70's. in fact, last year was his second best.
birchall is the most consistent but he doesnt often pull out a big hundred. which is what i prefer in a backman.

ok so now one of my own. i think its been asked a couple of times but i couldnt find a decent answer.
Ottens v HMac
being a geelong fan, i'm edging towards ottens, but i am sure he'll be injured at some point.
but im not sure how much time mac will play
anyone elses opinions?

 

[DaVe86]

lockyer will not play a lot in his 07 role. He'll play as a defensive forward. Gives him the opportunity to tackle a lot and also to kick goals...but won't be high in possessions like in 07 and less loose marks.

Should be better than last year though. He was dissapointing...so he is good value....but not 07 value.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I have gone off Newman for now. During the months of November and even December he was in my plan side at that time. I personally dont see a whole lot of improvment from him. He doesnt seem to have a high ceiling and i wouldnt think he would improve on his avg by much if at all.

I guess everyone was jumping on his side late last year due to him being named skipper and being moved into an onball/midfield attacking role. Both of these are both not going to help his DT scores because he wont be playing midfield and captaincy has the same chance to hinder his scores as to benefit his scores. I can see him also playing a defensive small man role down back aswell.

He avg 76.4 in 07, 81.8 in 08 thats the 5 point increase their i dont see him taking into another step unless he becomes a midfielder. Hes still on my radar of course but probably on the fringe of my side ATM.

I would pick both Birchall and Lockyer ahead of Newman. Although i have some others lined up aswell ahead of them all.

 

[Effes]

McMahon is slightly more expensive than those mentioned above however IMO still has lots of upside. It will be his second year at the club and after a year of adjusting to new surroundings/teamates he will feel more comfortable.

Wallet mentioned on radio 5 of the 6 Richmond defenders are locked in to the 18.

McGuane
Moore
Thursfield
Newman
McMahon

You have three tallish types who are not noted for running the ball out of defence. Leaves you with Newman and McMahon. Newman isn't as quick as McMahon and therefore isn't as good at breaking the lines. Gets the tougher back pocket job, setting things up for McMahon to be the go to man. I see his average going up to 90-95, especially with Bowden not playing down there and no one else who can really take points off him.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

yeah nice summary, the only reason for me not picking Mcmahon is i dont see that increase in points however what you mentioned it could be a possibility.

I see M.White and Tambling as HBF/Wings as well which might be used to setup play aswell.

Tigers have an awesome side by looking at their midfield and backs. They should play finals. However they need Richo upf forward with Brown and a few resting HFF's in Deledio, Cotchin or Cuz and they will be set for top 6 in 09.

 

[Zmithy]

What are peoples thoughts on Brent Harvey vs Pavlich.

Is Harvey worth having from the get go or would it be better to go with Pavlich as your top tier forward. Im a little worried that Pavlich may not be as durable in 2009 as compared to what he has been up until late last season.

Can you all see Harvey scoring 90-95 average this year?

 

[dreamteamerrrrrr]

van berlo/gibbs or kornes/hasleby

any help would be appreciated here boys

 

[LemmingMaster]

I'm sure if you think long and hard dreamteamerrrr, you can work it out.
In my eyes it looks like a rather one sided arrangement.

 

[dreamteamerrrrrr]

I'm sure if you think long and hard dreamteamerrrr, you can work it out.
In my eyes it looks like a rather one sided arrangement.

I'd like to know how. Kornes avg 98 last year, which in my opinion was a bad year after 105 and 107. but to make things easy i'll give him an avg of 100, and hasleby if he's fit (and im lucky) to avg 80-90.

then, in my opinion gibbs will probably lift this year and avg 90-95, vb to avg the same.

both pairs to avg 180-190 in my opinion

VB/Gibbs costs 764700
Kornes/Hasleby cost 695700

so ur paying 70k for the piece of mind that hasleby doesn't get injured or have a dud season.

In conclusion, Im still stuck

 

[Crazy22]

doesnt seem so one sided to me... VB/gibbs costs 70k more, but will prob get you about 10-20ppg more than kornes/haselby. up to you whether its worth it.

also, NAB cup will help u decide (i.e. haselby)

 

[sossy19]

yeh would have to go with vb&gibbs, they had very good seasons last year, kornes mayyyy be on a decline and hase is coming off injury and i havent been convinced to spend moola on him.

how bout this one:
Osborne vs Bradshaw

osborne seemed to jump out of nowhere last year and seemed an intergral part of the hawks success, who mayyy fill some of crawf's void.

with bradshaw, will he be able to get the bags of 5+ goals, which he got 8 of last year and how is browny going, going well enough to impact bradshaw?

 

[orks]

Chris Knights and Brad Sewell, or Daniel Kerr and Joel Selwood?

 

[chopperduck]

yeh would have to go with vb&gibbs, they had very good seasons last year, kornes mayyyy be on a decline and hase is coming off injury and i havent been convinced to spend moola on him.

how bout this one:
Osborne vs Bradshaw

osborne seemed to jump out of nowhere last year and seemed an intergral part of the hawks success, who mayyy fill some of crawf's void.

with bradshaw, will he be able to get the bags of 5+ goals, which he got 8 of last year and how is browny going, going well enough to impact bradshaw?

you'll find with brown and bradshaw, they wont steal goals from each other. in most games last year, when one kicked a bag, so did the other, hence why they ended the year with 70 and 75 goals.

no injury's to either players thus far in pre season.

 

[Houli2Gumbleton]

Higgins vs Veszepremi

 

[the_insid3r]

Higgins vs Veszepremi

Both players are highly rated but given the choice I would most likly go for Higgins given the fact that various sections of the media are suggesting that he might be given the oportunity to play more in the middle which could boost his DT output significantly. He did avg 65 in season 07.

I'd keep a close eye on him in the pre season games and see if he is given time in the middle and how he goes about playing in that role.

 

[Athomas]

Both players are highly rated but given the choice I would most likly go for Higgins given the fact that various sections of the media are suggesting that he might be given the oportunity to play more in the middle which could boost his DT output significantly. He did avg 65 in season 07.

I'd keep a close eye on him in the pre season games and see if he is given time in the middle and how he goes about playing in that role.

62 my stats say. May be wrong.

 

[Lakey91]

Actually 54.5 if you include the finals

 

[Athomas]

Higgins is in my team, but tbh.... I hope he's not by Round 1. Leadership group, Midfield time, Fast time trial... doesn't mean points.

Heck, Adcock was put into the middle last year and LOST 17 points per game.

 

[Lakey91]

Higgins is in my team, but tbh.... I hope he's not by Round 1. Leadership group, Midfield time, Fast time trial... doesn't mean points.

Heck, Adcock was put into the middle last year and LOST 17 points per game.

If you dont like a player, dont pick him mate. Just cos everyone else is doesnt mean nothing - you need to find your own reasons behind every selection. While talking with others and discussing of these forums helps with formulating your own perspective of players, you should read team boards and watch the NAB cup and previous games to get as much info on them as possible. If you dont want him there, cut him straight away, and start someone you feel not only comfortable with, but your also confident in. Confidence is important IMO - back your own judgements, and give your players every oppurtunity to perform.

 

[the_insid3r]

Higgins is in my team, but tbh.... I hope he's not by Round 1. Leadership group, Midfield time, Fast time trial... doesn't mean points.

Heck, Adcock was put into the middle last year and LOST 17 points per game.

mind you, Adcock had a breakout year in 07 and I think oposition teams paid more attention to him last year which is probably why he dropped some points.

Higgins might be in a similar situation this year to that of Adcock of 07 where he was being rotated between back and mid. Higgins might be switching between fwd and mid and who knows.....might jst have a breakout year too

But as I said before, I'd have a look at how he is used in the NAB cup and / or practice games before making a decision.