Playfair no good

[Jack-Packenham]

For all you people who bagged me endlessly last week for having a crack at the untouchable Henry Playfair. Essendon obviously agree with me because they played 2 guys that are a lot smaller than him in Welsh and Solomon on him and he still couldn't get the ball. Then the mother of all put downs, they put Aaron Henneman onto him. Guess what, he still couldn't get the ball. He can't get to a contest and the 2 times he actually got the ball, he can't do anything with it. I heard comparisons last week with Warren Tredrea when he started playing as a key forward. The big difference is Tredrea used to get the ball 20 times and kick 2 goals 7 behinds but the great Henry gets the ball 4 times in 70 mintues of play. I also made a comparison to Charlie Gardiner and was attcked ferociously. It was a Gardiner like game on Friday and you guys still stick up for him. JUBJUB, PHAT and GIOVANNI you were wrong. We can't win anything with him in the side. Try Lonergan, at least if he got 4 disposals he would probably kick a couple of goals. You must be watching a different player to he one I watch. He is number 22.

 

[JUBJUB]

Try Lonergan, at least if he got 4 disposals he would probably kick a couple of goals.

Did you miss yesterdays VFL game ?

 

[Hulk_Hawkins]

For all you people who bagged me endlessly last week for having a crack at the untouchable Henry Playfair. I also made a comparison to Charlie Gardiner and was attcked ferociously. It was a Gardiner like game on Friday and you guys still stick up for him. We can't win anything with him in the side. Try Lonergan, at least if he got 4 disposals he would probably kick a couple of goals. You must be watching a different player to he one I watch. He is number 22.

Agreed he had a shocker on Friday, when the game was there to be won it is times like that you need your CHF to really make an impact. H didnt (or couldn't) 2 kicks from a CHF is a very ordinary return.

 

[nananana catman]

He's right. Two weeks back from injury and he shouldve set the Dome alight. If Jonothan Brown can do it week 1 surely Playfair can do it week 2... It seems Playfairs career is well and truely over and Jack Packenham is the closets thing to a god on this board other than the Kolonel.

JubJub and Phat, you may as well give up posting forever.

 

[JUBJUB]

Whoi said this a few weeks ago ?

Lets face it Playfair had 20 ordinary games but he is now showing some good signs.

 

[della]

playfair tries hard but he can't kick for goal and his decesion making is of the poorest quality i have seen for a long time, love his work rate etc and his gives us a target and creates a contest but we all know u won't win a flag with that quality of player as youre CHF

della!

 

[worthogs]

Jack

The Jury is in...


You are a total Tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ablettjnr]

Jack

The Jury is in...


You are a total Tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed, go away.

 

[cats2rise]

You arnt right anyway, people expect to much from playfair. He is the best we have, so why bag him. WHos going to replace him, Gardiner? Fat chance. id rather Playfair! I like him anyway. he;s a good contested mark

 

[cats2rise]

You arnt right anyway, people expect to much from playfair. He is the best we have, so why bag him. WHos going to replace him, Gardiner? Fat chance. id rather Playfair! I like him anyway. he'sa good contested mark

 

[VikingCat]

Yep, he was ordinary Friday night, but so were another half-dozen players at least. Henry is still developing. Yes, we needed him to stand up, yes, he let us down, but he will keep trying.

 

[JUBJUB]

Jack

The Jury is in...


You are a total Tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

worthogs is our Kyle.

 

[gandaal]

Here's an honest outsiders opinion. Playfair isn't a star and while I could be wrong I doubt he ever will be. But given the structure of the cats forwardline where flankers and small forwards/midfielders abound you need a tall forward to at least present a target in the forward line and bring the ball to ground, and that's what Henry Playfair (along with Ottens) provides when he's fit. He's not there to kick bags of 4 or 5 like other Center Half Forwards (although I'm sure that would be nice) but as long as he presents a viable target and can stop his opponent from creating too much run out of defense then he's done his job. You shouldn't bag the guy just because he's not Johnathon Brown.

 

[JUBJUB]

Well said gandall.
It's also his 1st year as a CHF.He's been a bits and pieces player [forward,back,ruck] in his early senior games.

 

[Bill_Campbellfield]

Two kicks in 90 minutes says it all. I think Jack is on the money, the rest of you are talking from the heart. Yeah it would be great if we had a chance of winning a flag with this side but the truth is we're far from it.

Some tough decisions need to be made, lets start with the coach, he has done a fantastic job but I think we should be more advanced than we are at the minute, particularly after last years effort, I wonder if Bomber has what it takes to get us over the line. I think a hard decision needs to be made now and we should look to someone else to take us the next step.

King has to go, did you see Jim Hird in the last quarter? That's what leadership is all about, now before you all start on about us not having a Hird etc etc, I am simply saying he stood up, showed some passion and refused to lie down even though he was having a bad night, when was the last time our capt did anything remotely similiar?

We are going nowhere and someone needs to make the tough calls!

 

[tayls]

it is his first full season of senior afl football. give him a break. yes he was ordinary, but not alone.
he will learn from it and give him more time and he will be more consistant. how many 21 year olds are star chf's (brown an exception)

 

[JUBJUB]

Two kicks in 90 minutes says it all. I think Jack is on the money

Jack,is that you ?

 

[answerman]

Jack,is that you ?

I was thinking the same thing, JubJub

 

[Turbocat]

You arnt right anyway, people expect to much from playfair. He is the best we have, so why bag him. WHos going to replace him, Gardiner? Fat chance. id rather Playfair! I like him anyway. he'sa good contested mark

Here is very valid point, why contually drop the knee into H when he is the best we have.I doubt anyone has Illusions of grandure for Henry but he is player who could be our only hope for the forseable future, he is player who is in his first year at CHF, he is a player who has the ability to learn and develop. Do you see anyone, anyone that is close to H in being able to present for a mark, work hard , knuckle down ? Mooney , no. Lonegan, No , Ottens no. There is no one else.

Lets not judge him on his performance coming back from a smashed Jaw ,with a team held together with Band aids and Chewy gum , in a side thats got little big man support. H is a good player who may be very good, he will never be great.If he is the "Litmus Test" on us winning a flag then our recuiting has been over estimated.

 

[worthogs]

Jack,is that you ?

Its got to be as I only thought here was one tosser that used his full name, and I guess there still only one.

 

[Bill_Campbellfield]

No this is not Jack! I don't agree with everything he says however lets not all get carried away with excuses, St Kilda are the side we're being compared to and you could argue they've been dcimated by injuries but they look like they'll be top 4, we look like we might miss the finals.

Now don't come back at me with the last 3 games being at home because we don't look like it at the minute.

I truely hope you can bag the hell out of me next week if we beat ST K but unless a few players stand up and show some real leadership I can't see it happening!

 

[WestCat]

No this is not Jack! I don't agree with everything he says however lets not all get carried away with excuses, St Kilda are the side we're being compared to and you could argue they've been dcimated by injuries but they look like they'll be top 4, we look like we might miss the finals.

Now don't come back at me with the last 3 games being at home because we don't look like it at the minute.

I truely hope you can bag the hell out of me next week if we beat ST K but unless a few players stand up and show some real leadership I can't see it happening!

Geelong are probably the laziest team in the AFL right now, but a main issue on Friday was the forward structure and how the forwards didn't work together. In the past fortnight, they've added 2 players who haven't played for 5 or so weeks and are in their first year either at the club or in their position, so you can't expect them to be working well together straight away after that break. But if you want to criticise them, then look back to the weeks before H and Ottens were injured, they were working well together. Focussing on H, he was improving week by week and was a very solid and dependable player before he broke his jaw. Now a veteran who has been playing for 10 years or a superstar who is perhaps the best player under 25 in the league can step straight back in and be in full swing within and week or 2, but a player who has only played 35 games, is in his first season as a permanent forward and was a 4th round draft pick will generally struggle for a few weeks and will probably take about 4 or 5 weeks to get back to where he was. Let's face it, it took him about 10 games to get up to a good level of play at CHF at the beginning of the season.

Don't overrate the players and put such huge expectations on them, you will only be dissapointed. When at his best, Playfair will never be more than a 1.5 goal per week, 6-8 mark, 12 possession CHF, but right now, that's all we have and in reality it's all we need with the players we have around him.

 

[Jack-Packenham]

it is his first full season of senior afl football. give him a break. yes he was ordinary, but not alone.
he will learn from it and give him more time and he will be more consistant. how many 21 year olds are star chf's (brown an exception)

I would rather

Miller - melb
MacDougall - wce
Hansen - wce
Merrett - bris
Polak - frem
T Cloke - coll
Franklin - haw
Henschell - adel

all about the same age or younger
all will be better in the long run

 

[Jack-Packenham]

I would also like to see Egan have a run in the forward line at some stage. He does take a good contested mark and would probably be a better kick for goal than Henry. Even if he only got the ball 6 times in a game, it would still be an improvement on the current situation.

I understand that Henry is young and developing but we are not talking about a back pocket player, we are talking about a guy who you want to play one of the most important positions on the ground. Gardiner and Lonergan were dropped for better performances but they seem to be judged differently.

 

[tayls]

I would rather

Miller - melb
MacDougall - wce
Hansen - wce
Merrett - bris
Polak - frem
T Cloke - coll
Franklin - haw
Henschell - adel

all about the same age or younger
all will be better in the long run

the only one there that has done more than Playfair is Hansen. All the others Playfair is better than.