Discussion Port Adelaide Fans Push To #BringBackTheBars

[justlookingaround]

Is there word on Port or is this all speculation?

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Could Collingwood be banned from the swooping magpie as it's too similar to the prison bars?

 

[justlookingaround]

Massive no no.

Okay, I’m up to speed now. Why’s this a massive no-no? Is it because it messes with the traditionalist aspect which would make the change moot?

Because if they scrapped teal, surely that’s the end of the Port *Power* identity - although they were the Port Adelaide Magpies for a long time - they’ve also been Port Power for 21 years. I do think the prison bars are up there with the best jumpers in the sport, and it’d be an improvement over an already good kit - but teal is probably one of Port’s main draws for kids, their mascot is awful and their logo is a fist, it’s probably their only one up over the Crows in that department.

Also, I can imagine Port would be worried about an identity, or, identification crisis if they were to overhaul their kit again - that’d be 3 drastically different looks in a decade - I think the closest anything’s come to that would be the Brisbane Bears.

Anyway, to summarise — I think #returnthebars is probably the least straight forward of these, uh, #returnthething campaigns so far.

 

[caloschwaby]

Could Collingwood be banned from the swooping magpie as it's too similar to the prison bars?

Though I'd love to see the original design return, I'd settle just to see the actual swooping magpie return on the jumper in some way.
If Port can't wear prison bars we probably shouldn't be either.
If the original jumper were inversed I reckon it'd be fine.

 

[caloschwaby]

Okay, I’m up to speed now. Why’s this a massive no-no? Is it because it messes with the traditionalist aspect which would make the change moot?

Because if they scrapped teal, surely that’s the end of the Port *Power* identity - although they were the Port Adelaide Magpies for a long time - they’ve also been Port Power for 21 years. I do think the prison bars are up there with the best jumpers in the sport, and it’d be an improvement over an already good kit - but teal is probably one of Port’s main draws for kids, their mascot is awful and their logo is a fist, it’s probably their only one up over the Crows in that department.

Also, I can imagine Port would be worried about an identity, or, identification crisis if they were to overhaul their kit again - that’d be 3 drastically different looks in a decade - I think the closest anything’s come to that would be the Brisbane Bears.

Anyway, to summarise — I think #returnthebars is probably the least straight forward of these, uh, #returnthething campaigns so far.

Returning the bars may help Port win 6 consecutive AFL Grand Finals like they did in the SANFL in the 50's?

 

[magpienato]

Could Collingwood be banned from the swooping magpie as it's too similar to the prison bars?

Sadly the swooping magpie will more than likely never return. Unlike the PB and the Wings, it was a niche little design we wore back in the early 2000's, not our entire history. It has just as much chance of coming back as WC's Ochre. It's quite sad actually because a lot of my mates who go for Collingwood remember the jumper quite well and how good it was but there probably isn't a large enough support base to build a campaign on

 

[Fizzler]

Is there word on Port or is this all speculation?

Here’s what we got from Matthew Richardson (no, not that one, our Executive GM is called Matthew Richardson)

***UPDATE***
Matthew Richardson has just called me and assured me that the club recognise our wishes and are singing from a similar songbook. The idea that there are board members against some representation of the PB's/Pylons is incorrect.

The campaign is well received, and we are asked to recognise the complexity of the issues at hand (which we all do).

Matthew will be happy to meet with our lobby group to discuss future plans and how we can assist the club in this matter!

So all positives at this moment!

#BringBacktheBars
#BarUp
Our Heritage, Our History, Our Right!

 

[Fizzler]

Okay, I’m up to speed now. Why’s this a massive no-no? Is it because it messes with the traditionalist aspect which would make the change moot?

Because if they scrapped teal, surely that’s the end of the Port *Power* identity - although they were the Port Adelaide Magpies for a long time - they’ve also been Port Power for 21 years. I do think the prison bars are up there with the best jumpers in the sport, and it’d be an improvement over an already good kit - but teal is probably one of Port’s main draws for kids, their mascot is awful and their logo is a fist, it’s probably their only one up over the Crows in that department.

Also, I can imagine Port would be worried about an identity, or, identification crisis if they were to overhaul their kit again - that’d be 3 drastically different looks in a decade - I think the closest anything’s come to that would be the Brisbane Bears.

Anyway, to summarise — I think #returnthebars is probably the least straight forward of these, uh, #returnthething campaigns so far.

It’s a no-no because it defeats the purpose of bringing back the bars. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. That didn’t have any teal. Anyway we can still be called the Power without teal. There’d be no identity crisis to go back to the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. It’s pretty straightforward I’d have thought. What other club in the world has not been permitted to wear a jumper because of another team? Exactly, none. Why? Because it’s ****ed, we should get to wear our historical kit that doesn’t look like any other teams kit because it’s our right to.

Returning the bars may help Port win 6 consecutive AFL Grand Finals like they did in the SANFL in the 50's?

We’re not Carlton, we just want to wear OUR jumper.

 

[caloschwaby]

It’s a no-no because it defeats the purpose of bringing back the bars. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. That didn’t have any teal. Anyway we can still be called the Power without teal. There’d be no identity crisis to go back to the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. It’s pretty straightforward I’d have thought. What other club in the world has not been permitted to wear a jumper because of another team? Exactly, none. Why? Because it’s ******, we should get to wear our historical kit that doesn’t look like any other teams kit because it’s our right to.

We’re not Carlton, we just want to wear OUR jumper.

I could say the same for Collingwood. We've won 15 Premierships essentially in our clash jumper. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the VFL/AFL.
Why PB weren't allowed in the AFL? Because Port Adelaide joined the AFL who already had a team with conflicting identity. In wanting to join the league, Port was at the full discretion of the AFL as to whether they'll be allowed PB or not.

They accepted it 21 years ago and have since appeared in numerous finals series, 2 grand finals and have even won one. Not bad for a team moving to a league with almost twice the amount of teams.
So after 21 years Port is going to spit the dummy on what is, to me, one of the most iconic team identities (especially when I was a child).

If you want the truth, the PB won't return Port Adelaide to SANFL glory. Neither will the Swooping Magpie or Black Stripes on White for Collingwood. It's about how you play on the football field that brings you glory.

 

[Fizzler]

I could say the same for Collingwood. We've won 15 Premierships essentially in our clash jumper. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the VFL/AFL.

And while I generally prefer darker jumpers, I think Collingwood should go back to that jumper..

Why PB weren't allowed in the AFL? Because Port Adelaide joined the AFL who already had a team with conflicting identity. In wanting to join the league, Port was at the full discretion of the AFL as to whether they'll be allowed PB or not.

Full discretion of a league that wanted to please Collingwood who kicked up a stink. Besides, changing from Magpies to anything would have been acceptable and made sense but to change our jumper that’s a different design same colour (like Geelong and Carlton) is lunacy. They look nothing alike.

They accepted it 21 years ago and have since appeared in numerous finals series, 2 grand finals and have even won one. Not bad for a team moving to a league with almost twice the amount of teams.
So after 21 years Port is going to spit the dummy on what is, to me, one of the most iconic team identities (especially when I was a child).

Reluctantly. But either way 31 premierships > 1 premiership and 94 years in black and white > 22 years with teal so I think I know which one I prefer.

If you want the truth, the PB won't return Port Adelaide to SANFL glory. Neither will the Swooping Magpie or Black Stripes on White for Collingwood. It's about how you play on the football field that brings you glory.

I’m not ignorant. I know that. Hence the “we’re not Carlton” bit. But to be denied the right to wear out historical kit is a bit ****ed I think it’s safe to say. Is Collingwood afraid that we’re going to take a bit of their market share? That’s a bit insecure if they are.

 

[caloschwaby]

Full discretion of a league that wanted to please Collingwood who kicked up a stink. Besides, changing from Magpies to anything would have been acceptable and made sense but to change our jumper that’s a different design same colour (like Geelong and Carlton) is lunacy. They look nothing alike.

Why wouldn't Collingwood kick up a stink? As a member of the league, they had a stake in what new teams joined the league. If some guy wanted to board in your house and intended to use the same toothbrush as your roommate, I think your roommate would be in their right to speak up.

Reluctantly. But either way 31 premierships > 1 premiership and 94 years in black and white > 22 years with teal so I think I know which one I prefer.

The SANFL is not the same level of competition as the AFL. Some clubs like St.Kilda haven't won it since 1965. It is hard to win premierships Trust me I've experienced it first-bloody-hand. Believe it or not, Port will not become any better by wearing the PB's just as Collingwood wouldn't if they wore Black stripes on white.

I’m not ignorant. I know that. Hence the “we’re not Carlton” bit. But to be denied the right to wear out historical kit is a bit ****** I think it’s safe to say. Is Collingwood afraid that we’re going to take a bit of their market share? That’s a bit insecure if they are.

Collingwood has the most fans in Australia, I don't think we are afraid of losing market share People will go to who they want to go to.

 

[Fizzler]

Why wouldn't Collingwood kick up a stink? As a member of the league, they had a stake in what new teams joined the league. If some guy wanted to board in your house and intended to use the same toothbrush as your roommate, I think your roommate would be in their right to speak up.

Collingwood aren’t exactly going to be getting our saliva in their house. You’ve missed the point though. Obviously we can understand not being allowed to be called the Magpies, but Geelong and Carlton both wear navy and white (maybe Carlton are black now but they market themselves as the navy blues) so why can’t we wear OUR colours.

The SANFL is not the same level of competition as the AFL. Some clubs like St.Kilda haven't won it since 1965. It is hard to win premierships Trust me I've experienced it first-bloody-hand. Believe it or not, Port will not become any better by wearing the PB's just as Collingwood wouldn't if they wore Black stripes on white.

Again you’ve missed the point. Like I said, I’m not ignorant and I know this. That’s not the main goal. It’s to wear OUR colours and OUR jumper. I’m aware the SANFL hadn’t been up to the standard of the VFL post-1980s, possibly even earlier. It’s not our fault that we happened to be too good for the SANFL and they wouldn’t let us leave (this is why I despise the Crows with every fibre of my body)

Collingwood has the most fans in Australia, I don't think we are afraid of losing market share People will go to who they want to go to.

Then why does Eddie, along with a whole heap of ignorant fans seem to care so much about what WE wear?

 

[magpienato]

I'll chuck my 2 cents in here if I haven't already.

My primary concern, and probably the football club's concern, with a permanent return to the PB is simply that it conflicts with the design and colour scheme of Collingwood. You can argue heritage but it's undeniable that Collingwood were in the AFL first and so have every right to protect their established identity. In an alt universe where Collingwood had entered the SANFL (in our current jumper for the sake of arguement) we would be in no position to demand to wear our jumper and call ourselves the Magpies because, we are bargaining to join that league so we've essentially 'sold ourselves' out.

Two teams with black and white stripes just doesn't work for me.

With that said I would throw my full support behind bringing the bars back just for their 150th season, I think they've earned the right to do so. The most realistic compromise I could see is if PB incorporated teal in some fashion but as I've read I don't think Fizz will be too happy.

 

[Fizzler]

I'll chuck my 2 cents in here if I haven't already.

My primary concern, and probably the football club's concern, with a permanent return to the PB is simply that it conflicts with the design and colour scheme of Collingwood. You can argue heritage but it's undeniable that Collingwood were in the AFL first and so have every right to protect their established identity. In an alt universe where Collingwood had entered the SANFL (in our current jumper for the sake of arguement) we would be in no position to demand to wear our jumper and call ourselves the Magpies because, we are bargaining to join that league so we've essentially 'sold ourselves' out.

Two teams with black and white stripes just doesn't work for me.

With that said I would throw my full support behind bringing the bars back just for their 150th season, I think they've earned the right to do so. The most realistic compromise I could see is if PB incorporated teal in some fashion but as I've read I don't think Fizz will be too happy.

Thing is though, we’re not trying to wear straight up black and white stripes Collingwood style, it’s a different design that doesn’t clash with your clash jumper as you can see here.

I’m not certain the SANFL would bend over backwards to protect our best interests either.
I can’t see a way to add teal to the bars that would make them look any better either.

 

[The Half Back]

The amount of multi quoting on the page is making me moist.

 

[Billy ray]

I wish the suns would adopt a prison bar design in red and yellow with a swooping sun.
Might get some new fans

 

[The Half Back]

I wish the suns would adopt a prison bar design in red and yellow with a swooping sun.
Might get some new fans

With an ochre shading.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Collingwoods original white with black stripes and Port Prison Bars don't clash at all and are quite different.

How many Port fans that grew up post with the AFL team want a return to the PB and ditch the Teal? I'd say not that many

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Though I'd love to see the original design return, I'd settle just to see the actual swooping magpie return on the jumper in some way.
If Port can't wear prison bars we probably shouldn't be either.
If the original jumper were inversed I reckon it'd be fine.

I was being facetious

 

[Sparkle]

Just going to throw my two cents worth in on the current Port Adelaide and WCE jumper debates and theories:

Port Adelaide

• I would be pretty confident in saying that the Prison Bars will not be returning to the AFL team, in any form, any time soon. Not only does the design conflict with Collingwood, Port Adelaide have a chance to build a real identity around their current design. If I were them, I'd leave the Bars alone and stick with the design being used currently. Returning to the Prison Bars is nothing more than a dream

West Coast

• Despite all the theories being thrown around the board, I am almost entirely certain that West Coast will have a gold AFL logo, Hungry Jack's burger and red box on the front of the jumper, and the Lendi logo on the back of the jumper, home and away. These images are rushed designs with a goal of just covering the SGIO logo, and the jumpers that are on eBay will turn out to be prototypes

 

[melanChronic]

Collingwoods original white with black stripes and Port Prison Bars don't clash at all and are quite different.

How many Port fans that grew up post with the AFL team want a return to the PB and ditch the Teal? I'd say not that many

Definitely agree with you on the first point. The PB is a unique design, inspired by wharf pylons on the Port Adelaide docks. A very different look from the evenly spaced black and white stripes that Collingwood have. Them having a black base probably brings them a bit closer together, but I am always surprised when I wear my PB guernsey in Melbourne and people ask me why I'm wearing a Collingwood jumper. The Tote Hotel wears the prison bars in pub football so as to distinguish themselves from the direct Collingwood association; it's quite clearly a different look.

As to your question, I think you are wrong in saying not many. I started following Port when they joined the AFL (I was 5 then) and being from a different state had no idea about the full history until I was older. Every other mid 20s Port supporter I know wants the prison bars back as well because if you understand the club, you understand what that jumper means. We don't need to be the magpies, but we do need to wear that guernsey.

 

[Andonis1997]

I understand all the hype around the PBs, it's a beautiful design. But.. What about the Port Power fans that despise the Magpies? There are plenty out there who didn't want to support the Crows so they went to the Power.

I could say the same for Collingwood. We've won 15 Premierships essentially in our clash jumper. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the VFL/AFL.
Why PB weren't allowed in the AFL? Because Port Adelaide joined the AFL who already had a team with conflicting identity. In wanting to join the league, Port was at the full discretion of the AFL as to whether they'll be allowed PB or not.

They accepted it 21 years ago and have since appeared in numerous finals series, 2 grand finals and have even won one. Not bad for a team moving to a league with almost twice the amount of teams.
So after 21 years Port is going to spit the dummy on what is, to me, one of the most iconic team identities (especially when I was a child).

If you want the truth, the PB won't return Port Adelaide to SANFL glory. Neither will the Swooping Magpie or Black Stripes on White for Collingwood. It's about how you play on the football field that brings you glory.

*14, whatever one you won was in your black strip.

The SANFL is not the same level of competition as the AFL. Some clubs like St.Kilda haven't won it since 1965.

*1966

 

[Mozzie_Squad]

It’s a no-no because it defeats the purpose of bringing back the bars. We want the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. That didn’t have any teal. Anyway we can still be called the Power without teal. There’d be no identity crisis to go back to the kit we wore for the majority of our dominance in the SANFL. It’s pretty straightforward I’d have thought. What other club in the world has not been permitted to wear a jumper because of another team? Exactly, none. Why? Because it’s ******, we should get to wear our historical kit that doesn’t look like any other teams kit because it’s our right to.

Forgive any ignorance on my part but for arguments sake, let's just say Port get to wear the bars - which design would you use? I've seen a couple of different ones being used over the years e.g. white collar & cuffs, black collar & cuffs, white stripe down the middle, gap in the middle etc.

I'm guessing they've all been used at some point throughout history but just curious at to which bars you actually want to bring back.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Port should be allowed to wear whatever they want. Enforcing a new colour scheme and jumper on a 130-year old club is such a 1990s AFL, commercialistic move.

Yeah the Magpies nickname is a bit much, but I doubt their most ardent fans would care about that so long as they can wear their historic jumper.

The main thing is we have an 18 team competition. How many clubs have red and white stripes, or more oddly specific claret with blue sleeves in English soccer? Or teams in bright blue with yellow or orange in the NBA? FFS the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls are two of the more famed basketball teams of the last 25 years and their colours are the exact same. The main thing is Port Adelaide is from Adelaide and Collingwood is from Melbourne. What really is the issue?

Whether they retain 'Power' or just go to 'Port' for merch (think how it says 'Freo' on beanies and scarves, not 'Dockers') there are ways to differentiate it... namely on saying 'Magpies' and one not. Geelong and Carlton have the same colours and Sekem/Nike/Cotton On manage to make all the merch look completely different.

The 150th year is the perfect time to test it out for a season. See if the issue remains.

And well, if you're Port, you ask for one year of trial. Then you show them the receipts. Of the Prison Bars, the limited run black and white retro merch. Then you say this'll keep on coming when we make it permanent. The AFL kinda love money and kinda love their clubs making their own.

The added benefit is you allow the Pies to wear a white-based strip, which is what I actually think they want now.

And on that, the greatest example of why the two should co-exist is that both of those clubs in their home jumpers won't really clash that much. People 35-plus still see classic Collingwood as Daicos in the white-with-black.

I'unno but let em.

(Also a sidenote, how insane would a seriously dedicated 150th season be for Port? Imagine the Prison Bars at home, the 2004 jumper as a one-off, then the cerise and gold, sky and white for one-offs...)

 

[Chuckie357]

I wish the suns would adopt a prison bar design in red and yellow with a swooping sun.
Might get some new fans

Kind of like the Japanese rising sun flAg?