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[Steve Dore]

....... “I like records – it means it hasn’t been done before.”

Straight out of The Chapman English Dictionary.

I can't believe he really said that

Rob Chapman truly is a banker.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Right do we also pay this $700,000 for public transport? It appears so although I've never heard KT or Kochie carry on about it. The Crows pay more for their licence fees than we do, to the tune of what $270k a year and they do also cop the $400k for playing in the SANFL. So by my calculations, and I'm happy to be corrected, if they are paying out maybe $2-300,000 in CBF if Chapman's $2 million figure is roughly correct. Is that right? REH?

Yes we also pay $700k for transport fees. Yes we also pay $600k for upkeep of Footy Park. Yes the crows pay about $270k more for their annual licence fee repayment. Yes the crows play $400k to play in the SANFL but we gave up our 1/9th annual distribution ( around $450k) when we were reunified and were kicked out of our zones for juniors, but unlike the crows we still have a side in the SANFL B grade trying to develop local talent. We also have lost a potential 1/9th distribution out of any West Lakes land sale future fund.

So the crows extras are the $400k and the $750k seat levy Rucci wrote about in August and the $270k extra licence fee worse off than us. They would argue they are $400k + $750k + $650k worse off than 16 other sides but that's not right. Freo and WCE pay $450k+ to play in the WAFL and other clubs pay a fee to the state league they play in.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

“We have a $2 million [handicap] that a lot of other clubs don’t have, so I want you to know that could go to our bottom line.”

How much is the free rent at the swamp they've had supposed to be per year? 2mil right?

That's right that would be worth about $600k a year.

 

[Papa G]

Yes we also pay $700k for transport fees. Yes we also pay $600k for upkeep of Footy Park.

Vas ist das?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Vas ist das?

Think - part of moving to AO is the 2 clubs had to provide $1.2mil for the upkeep of footy park. do a search for the August 2010 article The numbers add up for AFL at Adelaide Oval. I have posted it at least 10 times in various threads. Koch mentioned we paid it in 2014. I assume we have to keep paying it until its no longer kept in AFL standard which is probably a few more years.

 

[Papa G]

Think - part of moving to AO is the 2 clubs had to provide $1.2mil for the upkeep of footy park. do a search for the August 2010 article The numbers add up for AFL at Adelaide Oval. I have posted it at least 10 times in various threads. Koch mentioned we paid it in 2014. I assume we have to keep paying it until its no longer kept in AFL standard which is probably a few more years.

So does that mean we are actually paying for the upkeep of the oval/facilities that the Crows train on?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So does that mean we are actually paying for the upkeep of the oval/facilities that the Crows train on?

We did in 2014. My memory is that it still happens, but it could have been removed as part of the stadium deal review.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So does that mean we are actually paying for the upkeep of the oval/facilities that the Crows train on?

Papa look at this page in the stadium deals thread and start at Janus' post no. 5386 from 25 February 2015 and follow the discussion re $600k. Janus was right, think in his second post, as I tried to reconcile the 2 x $600k payment Koch talked about at 2014 AGM but couldn't.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...shift-happening.554729/page-216#post-37200226

 

[Power Girl]

So does that mean we are actually paying for the upkeep of the oval/facilities that the Crows train on?

but but the Crows are so hard done by just listen to Chapman as he riles up his customers with half truths and disingenuous speech to the masses.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Haha Bickley picked up that the crows don't include depreciation in their $1.493m profit figure after Rowe said but its an operating profit and then said Port's profit of $200k was after about $700k depreciation so a like for like comparison its closer to $900k profit. Rowe only half got it. Does Bickley read the threads on this board??

He then correctly said that last years loss of $408k didnt include depreciation!!

Rowe then tried to say the crows pay a transport levy and Port dont, and Bickley picked him up that Port pay it as well. good to see a bit of knowledge by Bickley.

 

[Power Girl]

Thanks for taking one for the team REH and listening to them and reporting back. Some of us just don't have it in us to listen to Stephen Rowe

 

[manureid]

I am amazed that someone with no actual knowledge is constantly allowed to discuss this stuff like Stupid does.

 

[restitute]

Haha Bickley picked up that the crows don't include depreciation in their $1.493m profit figure after Rowe said but its an operating profit and then said Port's profit of $200k was after about $700k depreciation so its closer to $900k profit. Rowe only half got it. Does Bickley read the threads on this board.

He then correctly said that last years loss of $408k didnt include depreciation.

Rowe then tried to say the crows pay a transport levy and Port dont, and Bickley picked him up that Port pay it as well. good to see a bit of knowledge by Bickley.

Probably against popular opinion on this board but I don't mind Bickley as a media person. His comments are generally backed by some thought and he has the integrity to call a spade a spade when he has the facts.

 

[ExpectToWin]

Haha Bickley picked up that the crows don't include depreciation in their $1.493m profit figure after Rowe said but its an operating profit and then said Port's profit of $200k was after about $700k depreciation so its closer to $900k profit. Rowe only half got it. Does Bickley read the threads on this board.

He then correctly said that last years loss of $408k didnt include depreciation.

Rowe then tried to say the crows pay a transport levy and Port dont, and Bickley picked him up that Port pay it as well. good to see a bit of knowledge by Bickley.

As much as some people hate Bickley, he usually knows his facts and continually corrects Rowe and calls him out. He is a fairy logical thinker and I find myself agreeing with him most of the time.

Rowe on the other hand just does my head in

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Thanks for taking one for the team REH and listening to them and reporting back. Some of us just don't have it in us to listen to Stephen Rowe

haha I always listen to the start to see who is on and when, so I can turn over or off and until when. plus I knew this would be the first thing they talked about.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Probably against popular opinion on this board but I don't mind Bickley as a media person. His comments are generally backed by some thought and he has the integrity to call a spade a spade when he has the facts.

As much as some people hate Bickley, he usually knows his facts and continually corrects Rowe and calls him out. He is a fairy logical thinker and I find myself agreeing with him most of the time.

Rowe on the other hand just does my head in

Bickley can be a prickly bastard but he is consistent that he questions everything and usually doesnt trust things on face value and looks at things from the other side of the fence. He does tend to tow the AFL party line because he does have connections to head office. But I like how Rowe constantly says "Skip don't we fly as one" insinuating that you have to agree with me on everything. But Bickley wont follow Rowe like the lap dog that Rowe does with others.

 

[mic59]

but but the Crows are so hard done by just listen to Chapman as he riles up his customers with half truths and disingenuous speech to the masses.

That crap in the indaily (the "in" for inbred) was only a selection of the truth. Believe it or not, the cowvertiser actually reported this better by pointing out Port were using their own ground to train while the cows did not have that expense.

 

[Kickpuncher]

Port delivering the goods on their snapchat. They pretty much supplied us with our own Ollie Wines troll face.

 

[Papa G]

As much as some people hate Bickley, he usually knows his facts and continually corrects Rowe and calls him out. He is a fairy logical thinker and I find myself agreeing with him most of the time.

Rowe on the other hand just does my head in

Outside the Wakelin snipe, I always rated Bickley as a footballer, not a Hall of Famer mind you, but he was a good tough in and under footballer. Grew up a Port supporter too. It is obvious that Bickley does read these boards because I don't believe he is smart enough to work a lot of this stuff out himself (which without our doyen REH most us wouldn't either to be truthful).

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Fagan just confirmed an apples with apples comparison with last year was a $1.9mil improvement. he dodged the depreciation bottom line question so you know you can take off at least $1mil for that $1.493mil profit, maybe $1.3mil plus the $400k paid to the SANFL to play their B's in the comp, plus anything paid to the indigenous programs and Crows foundation.

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

Money does it.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-25/kerr-will-the-afl-luxury-tax-level-the-playing-field/7199932

 

[Boss351]

on the heels of Adelaide Crows star Daniel Talia's 5 year contract his'sick/vomiting' Bengal cat, Ciba has been offered a 6 year extension, AFC hopes the deal will be finalised soon and "there won't be any pussy footing around"

spokesman for Talia and Ciba said "both are feline good about their futures"

in other news the AFC expects record 'CAT.6' membership and hopes to surpass the 2015 65,000 figure....the club is yet to respond with figures of total 'Pet' membership numbers

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So putting all dick measuring comparison's aside, we can see that both clubs are working their arse off, just about maxing out stadium yield and both only just breaking even. I suspect the crows have made a bottom line small loss but we wont be able to get their full financials for another month from ASIC. Even taking out the impact of depreciation the profit's arent that big. That's why the crows should report their true bottom line figure to the public and then go hell for leather in a publicity campaign to stop the AFL getting $800k equalization fees.

The SANFL via the SMA is still taking too big a slice of the pie. Now the SA economy is struggling rather than going backwards, but bugger me what happens to the two clubs bottom line if the economy goes into a proper recession and average attendances drop by 5k-8k, membership totals the same amount, and the 2 clubs can only sell 75-85% of corporate inventory???

Its why the China push is so important in the long run. Because of the NIMBY's in SA and a government and opposition that aren't tough enough to be pro business and drive substantial economic growth, not the government go on a spending spree, but cut red tape and have quick approvals of developments, so that private sector monies flood in, and because they are both scared of losing seats to NIMBY protests, the SA economy and SA population growth rate will be less than the national average for the next 25 years. SA needs a Jeff Kennett even Sir Joh type - economically speaking not social justice speaking - to drive growth otherwise the 2 SA clubs will have to run even harder to keep up with the rest of the comp.

 

[Nemisis]

Haha Bickley picked up that the crows don't include depreciation in their $1.493m profit figure after Rowe said but its an operating profit and then said Port's profit of $200k was after about $700k depreciation so a like for like comparison its closer to $900k profit. Rowe only half got it. Does Bickley read the threads on this board??

He then correctly said that last years loss of $408k didnt include depreciation!!

Rowe then tried to say the crows pay a transport levy and Port dont, and Bickley picked him up that Port pay it as well. good to see a bit of knowledge by Bickley.

Bickley is ok imo -

 

[HighBudget]

Rowe then tried to say the crows pay a transport levy and Port dont, and Bickley picked him up that Port pay it as well. good to see a bit of knowledge by Bickley.

Stupid also said that the Crows transport levy is more expensive than ours. Is this true or is he just make shit up on the go?