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Autopsy Pos. & Neg. v Melbourne
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Yep they really switched it on. Sublime half. They still aren't without their problems though. Dusted at home to Collingwood and slow out of the blocks today. There is no doubt we have got our issues but pretty much everyone around us on the ladder does too.
I half agree with this. I thought he was one of the few actually going in hard and putting his body on the line. On the other hand, he has the body strength of an Auskicker so he was basically accomplishing nothing by doing so.
Pay attention to him every time Melbourne had the ball in the middle of the ground. We're literally a player down whenever we don't have the ball with Priddis in the team. He was basically walking aimlessly in the centre on several on the Melbourne bursts through the middle. Doesn't even try applying pressure.
His negatives are hurting us more than his positives are helping.
Well I think we all know that Priddis is to blame for that. We'd be unbeaten going for back to back flags with Redden and Hutchings leading the midfield. Not to mention Yeo and Masten. Consistency and harassing pressure specialists the lot of them.
Meh, this is crap. The umpiring was great considering the difficult conditions, with the exception of the barely-there deliberate frees that got us the lead back. The umpires performed infinitely better in the conditions than most of our team. It's not their fault we couldn't make tackles stick or pressure the ball carrier. In situations where the ball did pop out, often our tacklers went to ground and Melbourne knew they'd have the numbers to get it back again.
Melbourne got into this situation because they had 4000% more situations where they got first hands to the ball. They were there first all night. Their mids were better coached for congested footy and knew when they'd be safe with the ball popping out of the tackle.
As soon as I saw the conditions, I was convinced we'd lose. We lack the bigger bodies required to win in games like this. Naitanui is so freakin' essential for our midfield - as Simmo was happy to remind some douchebag journo who claimed we were full strength in the presser. Imagine how different the stoppages would have looked with him playing. Really need him back and fit for the rest of the year.
Crap weather. I can forgive the Melbourne game more than our last quarter against Carlton.
Watching Lycett as resting forward caused headaches for them .
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I dont know why anyone knocks the coach . He cant make good midfielders . He admitted the weather was forecast as a light shower which ended up being 1/2 the game , so he got caught out so he probably would have had Brown back in for Giles
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Yep I think its this too. Even with Melbourne when they get over the top everyone runs to dangerous positions and they got many easy goals through correct spacing on a fast break and decent skills. the only time they ****ed up a nearly certain goal was when the play was to be made by Dawes. And he subsequently had a ping from the pocket and got OOF instead of going over the top to a player in the pocket.
Our fast breaks usually look clumsy with 2 players running to the same area to receive the ball, poor skills and not understanding how the play will unfold. Again there were a couple of glaring examples in that Melbourne game where we didn't score to a lack of understanding. The Cripps one near the end was the biggest and was let down by poor skills and poor placement. If we do score on the fast break its usually not without it's fair share of feeling that we scored despite our * ups. And it is just smarts. Gov definitely has it and we laud him for it and he will never be moved away from that position because we have * all people in our team with that ability.
Need more players like Paul Chapman, not gifted athletically but could turn much more athletic players inside out with the ball, as with most of Hawthorns list.
Wet weather football we didnt play to numbers like the amount of times we could have kicked to 2 on 1s in our favour or 3 on 2s quickly . Allowed them to get numbers back . Kicking out to the boundary where Gawn was . No wonder it was locked in . A few kicks down the guts woulda mixed it up . The 1 occasion we did it we got the fast break only for a Darling skill error but at least the error was in our fwd half .
Yes we are remarkably in touch equal 2nd . We could pull our finger out and find last years form and be in this premiership with a sniff . Like every other team including Hawks who have had 4 narrow wins we have pooed the bed . We could easily do a freo or a norf and lose next 5 games
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I'm not wanting to derail this thread, but I've got to pick this up. Priddis had more tackles on the weekend than 9 of our other players COMBINED. I would suggest this shows that he does have some impact when we don't have the ball.
This notion that he isn't fast enough to cover space in transition is a little misguided I think. Sure on the fast break he doesn't have the legspeed to keep up with most other players, but he does position well in defense to be effective. This argument about us being a player down in defense is the same thinking that says Nic Naitanui is not a good player because he doesn't get enough of the ball as a linkman. The reality is that's not the role they are meant to be playing and not their strength.
On another note, does anyone else see similarities between Barrass and a young Glen Jackovich?
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He can only tackle them if he happens to be standing right next to them when they get the ball, otherwise he is left behind, thats what the other poster was alluding too.
He had a record number of tackles in the first quarter yet we were still absolutely smashed in i50s, clearances and contested possessions.
He had very few tackles in the second half (had like 10 at quarter time and finished with 14) and we won more of those stats. Clearly his tackling does * all.
Also not sure where you get his positions himself in defence well nonsense from. He doesn't position himself at all. Once the fast break is past him we're now a man behind every single handpass. It's no secret that out biggest weakness this year (and probably last as well) is when a team gets a fast break over the top. Once that happens it's basically run into an open goal almost every time (at least against the better sides).
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Pretty common way to score against all teams at the moment, hell we even score quite a few like that ourselves.
Surely you are not suggesting when teams get out the back and score it is soley the fault of Priddis. Oppositions are going to score somehow, the trick making sure you score more.
Surely you are not suggesting when teams get out the back and score it is soley the fault of Priddis. Oppositions are going to score somehow, the trick making sure you score more.
In a game like that you wouldnt want to be without Priddis.Im not a big Priddis fan; i just think that because we havnt been developing more capable midfielders,he is still coinsidered our No1 mid.He should be No3-No5.a workhorse to complement the more skilled players who we are finally bringing on.Reddan,Duggan,Nelson and Sheed are all good footballers and they all tackle.along with Lycett this is our development year.We dont have Judds and Cousins but we have some handy types and it will take time.
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I suggest you watch the game again.
It did feel like Melbourne dropped the ball a lot. I'm not suggesting that it should have always been paid in the conditions, however, they were given a lot of latitude.
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Negative: Cripps copping a fine for Gawn dropping like a sack of spuds.
I love big Maxy Gawn, but that was soft as butter.
I love big Maxy Gawn, but that was soft as butter.
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I think it is time to accept certain realities here with our team.
- #1- Our defence is ok bar better than average and can and should hold its own against most teams
- #2 - Our Forward line has immense potential to do major damage if we had half decent mids who can send it there rather tan just bombing it and hope
- #3- Our ruck department is once again average if not just above avg. Once again their importance is purely based on how the mids perform.
- #4 - The elephant in the room which is our midfield. personnel or list management, either case,the midfield is so bad its t even funny. different plans as been tried, it just does not work with these guys. Full reshuffle is required.
