Positives From Derby

[Goldfish]

Wow I dare disagree with Eagle87 so "I have no clue" and my views are "aberrant, weird and misplaced" - hmmm interesting approach you have there.

It is absolute fact that McGinnity spent a good portion of his TOG playing as a forward tagger on Duffield - I have the stats that can support that.

The rest is purely opinion based and I can live with the fact that you disagree with me (although for the record I think I have you covered in terms of view of the game) and you'll just have to accept that I will maintain that I believe my opinions aren't aberrant, weird and misplaced and that there may even be some others out there (misguided fools no doubt!) that agree with me.

Misguided fool +1

 

[bodazoka]

our % went up - I think?

Thats hillarious, we are professional tankers here at WC. We know how to loose whilst achieving a higher percentage after the game lol.

 

[bodazoka]

He is the sort of guy that gets mass ground time in a very very ordinary side - this groups Richard Taylor. He may be a rotation mid when we are next any good.

But yeh, he gets the aggett......

Your love for the Pridda has slowly increased! 6 months ago the only bench you had him on (in a few years) was down the park feeding the ducks

Youll get there, day by day, week by week the love grows.

Think he played on Pavlova in the second quarter did a good job of shutting him out then.

 

[Eagle87]

Your love for the Pridda has slowly increased! 6 months ago the only bench you had him on (in a few years) was down the park feeding the ducks

Youll get there, day by day, week by week the love grows.

Think he played on Pavlova in the second quarter did a good job of shutting him out then.

Good points. Although (a) I have always said I think he is, at best, a rotation player and (b) Pav got, what 36 touches and was inarguably the best midfielder in the game. Priddis was shite.

But good points ....

 

[Eagle87]

For someone who doesn't live in the country, you seem to know a lot about players in juniors.

Western businessman lives in Thailand and likes watching junior footy. Hmm ...

Low blow gravy .... and typically uncreative

I live in Thailand, before that I lived in Malaysia ... have been based o/s for 3 years and still spend almost 50% of my time in Australia. Was in the box for the game on Saturday - were you there?

Of course Priddis finished junior footy 6+ years back - even for you the maths is pretty easy.

 

[Eagle87]

Wow I dare disagree with Eagle87 so "I have no clue" and my views are "aberrant, weird and misplaced" - hmmm interesting approach you have there.

It is absolute fact that McGinnity spent a good portion of his TOG playing as a forward tagger on Duffield - I have the stats that can support that.

The rest is purely opinion based and I can live with the fact that you disagree with me (although for the record I think I have you covered in terms of view of the game) and you'll just have to accept that I will maintain that I believe my opinions aren't aberrant, weird and misplaced and that there may even be some others out there (misguided fools no doubt!) that agree with me.

Absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing. Of course when one is clueless, pointing it out is simply stating a fact - like the sky is blue ... rids is clueless ... see, they just go together.

I have no doubt McGinnity was tagging Duffield at stages - and certainly Duffield wasn't as prolific as he usually is. Was also interesting that Duff was then pushed further up field which isolated our tall forwards, they had no small forwards in support because McGinnity was 70m away tagging the decoy.... anyone at the ground with any idea of how the game is played might have noticed this.... you there?

As I started these posts by saying, its not that McGinnity has no ability, its just that his ceiling looks very low and far too low to warrant the amount of love he was getting. He played as a defensive forward who was ZERO threat in the forward line, he did restrict his opponent to 16 possessions - although its arguable that this was as much related to the role Duffield played and the reality remains that Broughton, Suban and others brought the ball out of their defensive 50m very easily.... so McGinnity did nothing to disrupt the Dockers flow.

If you look at the menacing defensive forwards in the AFL they do it two ways, they stop guys with their pace and tackling and they are a threat to score..... McGinnity isn't close.

We seem to have a number of supporters who get chubbies for guys who work hard and have limited ability and then post repeatedly about the weaknesses in Masten, Swift, Nick Nat etc i.e. those with actual talent. Its an odd perversion of some folk to value what they see as "effort" guys over actual talent. Thats my point, McGinnity has minimal talent and that is what we need more than anything else.

By the way, lots of people disagree with me. They love Wilkes, they reckon Woosh can't coach, they reckon Priddis is a gun because "he gets the ball" .....

 

[Lucev23]

Would hate to break up all the Priddis bashing and shit but there is one positive that stood out for me - NicNat finally completed a bounce without ****ing it up!

 

[KERRPOW]

the only things enjoyable about the game was

1) getting to yell out "www....wwaaaa...wwwwaaaaaaa.....W-A-N-K-E-R" to duffield everytime he did the kick in's. we scored alot of behinds at the city end.

2) the youthful and generally attractive chicks at the game (freo fans though, but i wont judge on their common sense)

 

[lewigie]

2) the youthful and generally attractive chicks at the game (freo fans though, but i wont judge on their common sense)

 

[Grenville Dietrich]

Absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing. Of course when one is clueless, pointing it out is simply stating a fact - like the sky is blue ... rids is clueless ... see, they just go together.

I have no doubt McGinnity was tagging Duffield at stages - and certainly Duffield wasn't as prolific as he usually is. Was also interesting that Duff was then pushed further up field which isolated our tall forwards, they had no small forwards in support because McGinnity was 70m away tagging the decoy.... anyone at the ground with any idea of how the game is played might have noticed this.... you there?

As I started these posts by saying, its not that McGinnity has no ability, its just that his ceiling looks very low and far too low to warrant the amount of love he was getting. He played as a defensive forward who was ZERO threat in the forward line, he did restrict his opponent to 16 possessions - although its arguable that this was as much related to the role Duffield played and the reality remains that Broughton, Suban and others brought the ball out of their defensive 50m very easily.... so McGinnity did nothing to disrupt the Dockers flow.

If you look at the menacing defensive forwards in the AFL they do it two ways, they stop guys with their pace and tackling and they are a threat to score..... McGinnity isn't close.

We seem to have a number of supporters who get chubbies for guys who work hard and have limited ability and then post repeatedly about the weaknesses in Masten, Swift, Nick Nat etc i.e. those with actual talent. Its an odd perversion of some folk to value what they see as "effort" guys over actual talent. Thats my point, McGinnity has minimal talent and that is what we need more than anything else.

By the way, lots of people disagree with me. They love Wilkes, they reckon Woosh can't coach, they reckon Priddis is a gun because "he gets the ball" .....

Well, well given you were "in the box" on the weekend I am surprised you didn't take all these talentless hacks from the field and implement your own game plan because you clearly have one and I would love to hear it. I did not, and do not, suggest that Priddis is a gun. What I did say is that at least he can get the ball which is a lot more than Swift and Nic Nat (two of your talented three mentioned above) can do! Just so we're clear my points in relation to Priddis are:

1. He knows how to find the football better than most of the midfielders in the afl at the moment;
2. His disposal can let him down absolutely but it has improved substantially and he is no orphan in relation to bad disposal in the Eagles (including the third of your talented trio Masten who you say has talent so should be able to dispose of the ball better than anyone!) or in the afl as a whole for that matter;
3. He should be held out as an example to what can be achieved if you work hard with the talent you have and persevere because his improvement from when he first came into the side has been astronomical and contrary to the edict from on high by Eagle 87, talent gets you onyl so far and only hard work gets you the rest of the way;
4. He deserves our support as supporters because without him at the moment our midfield would look even sorrier than it does and the first and second year players would be copping the first tag each week (even your beloved Masten);
and
5. He will never be elite I agree but he is already IMO an above average afl footballer and will improve even more when Kerr returns and others develop.
BTW I would love to know what level you played at if you are so sure you played above my level!

 

[Eagle87]

Well, well given you were "in the box" on the weekend I am surprised you didn't take all these talentless hacks from the field and implement your own game plan because you clearly have one and I would love to hear it. I did not, and do not, suggest that Priddis is a gun. What I did say is that at least he can get the ball which is a lot more than Swift and Nic Nat (two of your talented three mentioned above) can do!

Ok, so we have confirmed that you are old school and dont like the new guys. Good to know.

Just so we're clear my points in relation to Priddis are:

1. He knows how to find the football better than most of the midfielders in the afl at the moment;

Agree that he knows how to get it. He spends about 85% of game time on the ground and plays 100% of that time in the middle. He should get it a fair bit. Mark McGough could get the pill.... he couldnt kick or run and that ended his career in his early 20's.....

2. His disposal can let him down absolutely but it has improved substantially and he is no orphan in relation to bad disposal in the Eagles (including the third of your talented trio Masten who you say has talent so should be able to dispose of the ball better than anyone!) or in the afl as a whole for that matter;

His disposal is abject. Well below AFL level. Has been all his life. He was also better in 2007 than this year.

Masten has shown signs of elite level disposal, particularly some of his precision kicks into the forward 50. He is recovering from the same operation as C Judd - who could barely kick at all last year and all have acknowledged that the op coupled with a limited pre-season has hurt his disposal. That plus he is 20 (just), Priddis is 24, rising 25 ... this is as good as he gets.

Comparing this year with 2007, he plays more time for 1 more disposal and one more tackle and in 2007 he kicked goals and was quite accurate at it. He has managed 4 this year. Not that its a big deal but it hardly supports this quantum improvement.

He is not improving at all in any category. Without doubt the worst of our mids with the ball in hand in space...

3. He should be held out as an example to what can be achieved if you work hard with the talent you have and persevere because his improvement from when he first came into the side has been astronomical and contrary to the edict from on high by Eagle 87, talent gets you onyl so far and only hard work gets you the rest of the way;

See above. Buggar all improvement.

Yes, we should build our midfield of the future around talentless hacks who work hard because it provides an inspiring tale....

Steven Armstrong worked super hard and is the same age as Priddis. Why wasnt he kept?

Ability?

4. He deserves our support as supporters because without him at the moment our midfield would look even sorrier than it does and the first and second year players would be copping the first tag each week (even your beloved Masten);

You sarcasm aimed at the kids betrays your true views.

You want me to only say nice things about Priddis because thats what supporters do? No, thats what fanboi's do.

I agree however that Priddis, like Richard Taylor before him serves a purpose in a shit side with lots of kids.

5. He will never be elite I agree but he is already IMO an above average afl footballer and will improve even more when Kerr returns and others develop.

Above Average?????

Are you serious???

Ok, he is above average and he is 24. If we put him up for trade this year what would we get for him? I reckon we would struggle to get a 4th rounder - you would say, what, a first rounder? I mean he is an above average mid apaprently and only 24. Gun.

He is a plodder in an ordinary side who gets it and then.... nothing.... a rotation player (at best) when we are next any good. Staggering that you can't see that. Crab.

BTW I would love to know what level you played at if you are so sure you played above my level!

Public forums are rarely the place to discuss such things. A higher level than you though is a very safe bet unless you are Paul Mifka or Sean King ... then I would concede that you played a higher level but were completely shite and possibly amongst the worst to ever play at that level.....

.....

By the way, in case its not clear, Priddis is absolutely bog ordinary.

 

[Marlin01]

Richard Taylor .... come on E87, that's taking the pi$$. Geez, I hope LeCras can one day be as good as Mark Merenda.

 

[ziad]

Thats hillarious, we are professional tankers here at WC. We know how to loose whilst achieving a higher percentage after the game lol.

can we make the 8 and still keep our PP with this method?

 

[Eagle87]

can we make the 8 and still keep our PP with this method?

Yes... in theory.

I mean our percentage is about 88% if we score 99 points this week and the Bombers get 100 points then clearly we did better than 88% ..... so our percentage can improve with a loss ....

 

[WCEforeverman]

Public forums are rarely the place to discuss such things. A higher level than you though is a very safe bet unless you are Paul Mifka or Sean King ... then I would concede that you played a higher level but were completely shite and possibly amongst the worst to ever play at that level.....

.....

By the way, in case its not clear, Priddis is absolutely bog ordinary.

Yeah! Because if you can't make unsubstantiated claims on the internet where can you?

 

[Eagle87]

Yeah! Because if you can't make unsubstantiated claims on the internet where can you?

I tell you what, you publish your name address and all your other private details on a web site and I will publish mine.

I was responding to a post in which Grenville trumpeted his football playing experience and the lack of having played by anyone who disagreed with him.

I have previously, via PM had some discussion with a couple of members on this topic and its been agreed/suggested that one is best not publishing such details.

In case it was too subtle for you my post was simply to point out that the highest level played was one step below AFL. Of course any claim made without my name attached will be dismissed by you with a , because thats the kind of poster you are, so whats the point?

 

[Lach72]

This thread has potential

 

[Keys]

This thread has potential

Must be time to close this one too then aye?

 

[swannies]

Public forums are rarely the place to discuss such things. A higher level than you though is a very safe bet unless you are Paul Mifka or Sean King ... then I would concede that you played a higher level but were completely shite and possibly amongst the worst to ever play at that level.....

I had to ROFL at that comment. At last, someone who thinks like me , but add Robbie West and Ben Sharp and you have a winning foursome!!

 

[Eagle87]

I had to ROFL at that comment. At last, someone who thinks like me , but add Robbie West and Ben Sharp and you have a winning foursome!!

Shane Cable was close also ....

In fact those 5 would amount to one of the worst centre lines in AFL history... perhaps throw in Laurie Belotti as first ruck and we would lose most WAFL games!

 

[bigburger]

Nothing accept JK's awesome mark and awesome goal.

/thread.

 

[WCEforeverman]

I tell you what, you publish your name address and all your other private details on a web site and I will publish mine.

I was responding to a post in which Grenville trumpeted his football playing experience and the lack of having played by anyone who disagreed with him.

I have previously, via PM had some discussion with a couple of members on this topic and its been agreed/suggested that one is best not publishing such details.

In case it was too subtle for you my post was simply to point out that the highest level played was one step below AFL. Of course any claim made without my name attached will be dismissed by you with a , because thats the kind of poster you are, so whats the point?

Calm down precious.

I don't really care at all. If you played WAFL good for you.

Sounds like you need the encouragement to help you get the chip off your shoulder.

 

[Eagle87]

Calm down precious.

I don't really care at all. If you played WAFL good for you.

Sounds like you need the encouragement to help you get the chip off your shoulder.

Yes, thats why you said:

Yeah! Because if you can't make unsubstantiated claims on the internet where can you?

Because you don't care and because I'M precious. Sure.

Why make the earlier post?

 

[Marlin01]

I was delighted when Shane Cable was selected to play for the Eagles, it meant he would stop stuffing things up for Perth.

 

[INSANE]

Eagle87= poor mans Gunnar Longshanks