Autopsy Post Mortem vs Melbourne

[ottoman]

Someone should tell Tim Watson the campaigner the rules. If you are being tackled and the ball becomes dislodged from the palm but you manage to hit it away with the other fist, it's bloody HTB. That non-decision was another one that cost us a goal. Mind you moments earlier De Goey had the ball for 0.5 second, was tackled and penalised. I'm rarely one to complain about the umpires but I've never been so outraged watching a game before.

Yep and 0.5 of a second is being generous. Was probably half that.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I was impressed by the Pies today, some of their lesser known players played really well especially early. We got on top in the clearances in the 3rd and the pies had trouble matching it. Looking forward to the return game when both teams hopefully have a full list to choose from

 

[Brad Goodman]

We agree on consistency but it will never be consistent. It's Impossible. We also agree it swings. I did say today might of gone against us a bit but so many things we did as a team also cost us

Umpiring definitely didn't help but we could've sewn the game up by half time - we lost the game ourselves but the closeness of the result means some really tough umpiring calls had a significant impact.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Plenty of neutral supporters and commentators have agreed Melbourne got a massive leg-up. But I suppose they're all wrong as well, and your completely unbiased opinion isn't?

I'm just saying there were plenty that Melbourne didn't get either that no one will talk about. I've seen games where we've clearly got the better of the umps and I'll admit it, I just didn't think today was one of them. There were definitely a couple of one's we were lucky to get, but then there were some going the other way too.

 

[TradeDraft]

Umpiring definitely didn't help but we could've sewn the game up by half time - we lost the game ourselves but the closeness of the result means some really tough umpiring calls had a significant impact.

Yep. IF Adams was not the "Human Turnover Machine" we could of been at least 2 Goals Further in Front

 

[blackwhite2010]

Umpiring definitely didn't help but we could've sewn the game up by half time - we lost the game ourselves but the closeness of the result means some really tough umpiring calls had a significant impact.

Yes this is a point I made before.
There is a period about 5-10 mins before half time.
We dominated. Inside 50 after inside 50. We had already had a great qrt but for about 5 mins we just bombed away continually and it cost us a 6 goal lead into the main break .

 

[DT_fanatic]

Why are Melbourne supporters insistent on coming over to our board to defend the umpiring?

What are they trying to achieve other than stirring up trouble? I don't get it.

They're just insecure. Four points ain't enough especially when they didn't earn it.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Nah that's a load of rubbish and you know it. Just because Collingwood supporters boo the loudest doesn't mean they're being hard done by. Most frees Melbourne got were there, most frees Collingwood didnt get weren't. There were a couple missed each way but the carry on from the pies supporters is down right embarrassing.

The better team won, that's all there is to it. Petracca and Watts the two best on the ground, Sidebottom good early but faded.

You were absolutely favoured, no question. We should have won anyway, but thats irrelevant.

Scores from free kicks;
Melbourne - 3.4
Collingwood - 0.0

 

[domus]

I really aren't having an issue with your argument because I think you kinda see it my way. Today sucked. We were on the wrong side of decisions but I just find the umpiring bashing that has ruined this entire thread so tiresome.

I never ever blame the umpires !
Because they make mistakes and one team will always leave the field feeling hard done by.

For every umpiring decision we didn't like I can equally find things we stuffed up as a team.
Therefor blaming the umps is a lazy way out and so much focus on it here .
I doubt Buckley spends 5 mins on the umoires tomorrow. But he will fill a 15 minute review tape on our errors.

That is not relevant. What else can he do but focus on what he has control over? That doesn't mean poor umpiring doesn't only cost teams games but flags. It is insane to suggest otherwise. If, as some are suggesting, Melbourne were worthy winners or the clearly superior side, why did they fall over the line?

I still remember the ANZAC day loss when Zaharakis kicked the winner. That result hinged upon an absolutely appalling free kick given against Rocca after he outbodied Fletcher and ran in to kick the sealer. Not only was he wrongly penalized but also copped a 50 metre penalty. You can rant about what happened afterwards but the game was done and dusted when Rocca put us 20 odd points up with a few minutes to go. Just one example of many. I recall two shockers in the space of a minute in another ANZAC game when Brown and Reid were free kicked for simply being stronger that their opponents. Both frees resulted in goals and turned the whole momentum of the match. They were identified as howlers after the game-a little too late for us. Momentum shifts are huge and what follows flows from those shifts. Umpiring impacts games. Fact.

 

[domus]

I'm just saying there were plenty that Melbourne didn't get either that no one will talk about. I've seen games where we've clearly got the better of the umps and I'll admit it, I just didn't think today was one of them. There were definitely a couple of one's we were lucky to get, but then there were some going the other way too.

Which ones were they?

 

[SuperSub17]

I recall two shockers in the space of a minute in another ANZAC game when Brown and Reid were free kicked for simply being stronger that their opponents. Both frees resulted in goals and turned the whole momentum of the match. They were identified as howlers after the game-a little too late for us. Momentum shifts are huge and what follows flows from those shifts. Umpiring impacts games. Fact.

I remember that one, 2013 during Jeff Gieschen's diabolical "pushing in the marking contest" crackdown. "It's been in the rules for over 10 years" was what he said, as if that somehow explained why there were suddenly 100x the number of frees paid for it that year. Just another example of the game's umpiring department being completely incompetent.

And yes, that Rocca decision in 09 still burns me up.

 

[jackcass]

Melbourne had 9 players under 50 games.... missing number 10 player in Hogan. Demon supporters would probably lament some of the decision making with ball in hand today too.

<50 games Dees 9, Pies 10
<100 games Dees 5, Pies 6
AV age Dees 25 year 0 months, Pies 23 years 9 months

Don't think it was a factor.

 

[leon123]

Me thinks, after today, i need a bex, cup of tea and a good lie down.

I reckons overall we played well, should've won, we didnt... for so many reasons.
but so many positives.... hey?

we cant change the result... no matter what.

all i know is next time... lets go harder, now if an umpire accidentally got head butted.... ooooops.

In no way i support deliberate violence

 

[TradeDraft]

Me thinks, after today, i need a bex, cup of tea and a good lie down.

I reckons overall we played well, should've won, we didnt... for so many reasons.
but so many positives.... hey?

we cant change the result... no matter what.

all i know is next time... lets go harder, now if an umpire accidentally got head butted.... ooooops.

In no way i support deliberate violence

Well I reckon we should have a Petition to Change the Result

 

[Hardas]

Hitouts are over rated. Especially when they are coming from Grundy. I'm liking what he does around the ground but he is useless with his tap work.

Saw some recent stats on ruckmen in the Sunday Age:
for the ten blokes listed, Grundy was second last (in front of only Pederson) for 'Hit outs to advantage %', with a figure of 20.9% (Witts' number was 31.3%, but that's a different topic).
As you say, Grundy has other great attributes, but hit outs to advantage are one form of footy gold, so open question:
How much is on Grundy, how much is on the clearance plans or players and how much is on the club for having Anthony Rocca as our ruck coach?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Umpiring in the second half was ordinary, yes. But Grundy won the hitouts today 53-12 and our midfield in the second half was largely ineffective. That killed us more than anything.

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That sums us up! How can we be so dominant around the ball - probably for the year and then pack up the midfield at half time today?

WTF is going on down there, honestly something is not right - you don't just switch off like that

 

[loki04]

He's an outside player so I don't think the more heavily contested stuff is his thing but that's not why he's in the team or where he'll bring value to the team. Hopefully he'll learn to do better in those contested situations but it's not a major issue for mine. We have more than enough grunt.

I think you miss understood me.
I am not trying to turn him into an inside mid, rather get a bit bigger and stronger so he can hit in harder with confidence when required.
Even though its not a detterent to his main role it will improve him as a player.

 

[loki04]

I mentioned it, thought it was horrid.

Does good things, and some down-right awful things.

Overall his game today was better than previous weeks. Need him trending in an upwards direction.

Should of got put in the midfield in 2nd half.

 

[Carringbush2010]

How many do we have to win to make finals?, like 80% of the games left?

7 of the last 10 will get us 12 wins even then it's touch and go

 

[BringouttheGimp]

If this so called endeavour the boys are showing agst Melb and the like is indicative of their love for Buckley.. with a 5-7 record.. goes to show how good a coach he is.. some say we've had our chances in every game.. truth of the matter is.. we've only outplayed 2 out of 12 sides this yr.. in Geelong and Fremantle.

This Melbourne game is a reflection of the 10 out of 12 games sides have been in it till the end. We can't put anyone away.

I really hope hes not given an extension.

 

[Roverjg]

Pros:
The pressure from everyone for the 1st half of football.
Our midfield was dominant in the first half with Oliver, Tyson, Jones and Viney hardly touching the ball
Howe and Dunn again
Maynard
Aish's return
Callum Brown's first game of football
A semblance of a game plan for the first half. The problem with the game plan is it is based on high intensity and will only last for so long
Our ball movement in the first half (play on and fast moving with multiple targets).

Cons:
Our ball movement after 1/2 time. Reverted back to stagnant ball movement with first instinct to kick back or across at HB
Our midfield went missing after half-time. Oliver had 20 possessions after 1/2 time and ended up with 26 possessions (16 contested), 8 clearances, 5 score involvements and 4 I50's, ditto for Tyson 25 possessions, 16 contested and 5 clearances and Hunt off HB with 10 I50's.
Smith had a shocker. 7 kicks for 6 clangers and a turnover resulting in a goal
Langdon 4 kicks with 3 clangers and a dicky kick resulting in a turnover and goal
Adams poor disposal resulting in 2 direct turnovers and goals
Sidebottom's continued dicky little kicks out of defence, again resulting in a turnover and goal. These dicky across ground kicks have killed us all year
Goal leakage in junk time
Missed opportunity

 

[Nuffsaid]

Saw some recent stats on ruckmen in the Sunday Age:
for the ten blokes listed, Grundy was second last (in front of only Pederson) for 'Hit outs to advantage %', with a figure of 20.9% (Witts' number was 31.3%, but that's a different topic).
As you say, Grundy has other great attributes, but hit outs to advantage are one form of footy gold, so open question:
How much is on Grundy, how much is on the clearance plans or players and how much is on the club for having Anthony Rocca as our ruck coach?

As simple as it sounds our mids were just behind their opponent at every stoppage and the half forwards stood back and let their opponents give run from behind. How AFL players can make these fundamental mistakes and not adjust is a killer. We also lack explosive pace to shark the ruck.

 

[Swooper18]

One of the toughest losses to take, as if the air had already gone out of the balloon. Indifferent & abysmal umpiring had me baying for the blood of those umpires. In the meantime, Pendlebury, Sidebottom & Treloar kept working, Grundy was mighty in the ruck. Callum Brown displayed he could play in the big time. Phillips, Maynard & De Goey got involved, as did Jeremy Howe, who could have Mark Of The Year after today. A welcome return for Alex Fasolo with 2 goals & 8 score involvements, and Moore provided an option all day, as did Greenwood. Next game against the Power after the bye at the MCG on June 24. Look to stake a claim in the lower reaches of the 8 when we return. Last month, I declared Redemption Month, on the provisions that we would win all of our last four matches. Went within a bee's dick of doing just that. Close enough to threaten the top 8, if the Magpies are good enough for long enough.

 

[ottoman]

7 of the last 10 will get us 12 wins even then it's touch and go

If we play like he have for the past 4-5 weeks then there is definitely 7-8 winnable games in the second half of the year.
Port on their home ground and Adelaide in Melb are probably our two biggest challenges, followed by Geelong, but we seem to do ok against them.
It will be tough but it is doable.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Lets get real, and use the rest of the season to work out who is worth persisting with and putting games into them.

Yeah play the kids and if going by the bulk of your comment and "forseeable" future; there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Pendles will not see another flag - with us at least and Perty won't admit what he said about another flag in 3 years - 3 years ago

Add: Brown was like a deer in the headlights today but will be better for the run - back to the magoos next week; roll on 2030!