Opinion Posts That Don't Deserve a Thread (Random Opinion or Questions)

[Callipygian]

Is it time yet to knock on the door of the Ticky009 nightmare - the 2024 edition of the Trade and Draft Thread?

It absolutely is! I have been meaning to do this ever since the draft but haven't been sufficiently motivated.

My firm view is that as soon as one draft is done it is time to start thinking ahead to the next off-season - just like the list managers do.

 

[the hypnotoad]

is this the one?

not sure where to post it, but following that clip seems appropriate ... i'm very confident c'wood won't win the premiership this season, i think they were lucky a lot of other teams were not at their best in 2023, and there'll be considerably more improvement, whether to do with injured players coming back, or younger players improving (or, in our case, arguably both)
i'm certain c'wood will come back to the pack

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

 

[caesar88]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

Ohhhhh ok. We're definitely being watched.

 

[bedford]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

There is no debate , as a scallop comes from the sea

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

I always respected Harry.

Now I believe him to be a truly enlightened guru.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I always respected Harry.

Now I believe him to be a truly enlightened guru.

Clearly it has been a very tough pre season for Harold. I think it unreasonable he was interviewed on a hot day when he was clearly dehydrated.

 

[BloodySwan]

There is no debate , as a scallop comes from the sea

Potatoes don't come from the sea

 

[SM]

Its true. What he said.

People don't get it.

I think people get it but they also get that just because we have people who will give an answer for a survey it doesn't equate to bums in seats or memberships. Think we're dead last on conversion of fans into members from the same survey organisation. Inching our way up that ladder might be a start before proclaiming too loudly we're the biggest sporting organisation in Australia.

 

[bedford]

Potatoes don't come from the sea

Really , amazing fact , but scallops do , love them

 

[Donza]

I think people get it but they also get that just because we have people who will give an answer for a survey it doesn't equate to bums in seats or memberships. Think we're dead last on conversion of fans into members from the same survey organisation. Inching our way up that ladder might be a start before proclaiming too loudly we're the biggest sporting organisation in Australia.

Put it this way.
Victoria has roughly 6.8 million people.
Say 5 in Melbourne .
Against that you have 10 Victorian clubs. All dividing up the pie. (as well as SMFC).
That division of fan bases is based on geographical, family , ethnic religion etc etc.
That Victorian pie is divided many ways.


NSW has 8.4 million people. Sydney 5 mill. With the swans catchment extending beyond greater metro into Newcastle 550K, Central coast 350K and Wollongong 310K Etc.
Pretty much the entirety of that catchment is aligned to the swans. In some degree. Thats well over 6 million people with one side. The swans.

As fan as being a fan goes. The definition is different in everyone's mind.
I've responded to many a friend about this. Mainly in Melbourne.
Their definition of being a fan is you should be a member and attend games etc.
To be a true fan.

Yet their definition goes a bit wavy when it comes to Cricket and Soccer.
They're a fan of the Australian cricket side. Naturally. However attending games....not so much . If at all. Joining CA...well nup
Same with the Socceroos and Matildas. Man the Matildas blew every sporting fan metric out of the water last winter .
Viewership on TV. Insane. Highest in history. Yet how many matildas fans (and i'm one) attend games and have a membership through myfootball.com.au?


The same argument can be had for NBA, NFL, premier league etc etc. Man . The amount of passionate Man U and Liverpool fans I've met in my time.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

Always thought Harry to be a clever young fella....

 

[Big Blood]

He's a good interviewer, McClure. I'm a bit surprised he's never seen the Yougov survey. Has anyone seen it?

Seems a weird segmentation of fans into 'avid' and 'core'. What's the difference? I'd have thought the biggest number of our fans would be 'casual', the people who don't come to games but help make our grand finals among the most-watched television events.

Anyway it's great the eyes of the footy world are on us for Round Zero. Maybe even SMH will run a story on p88

 

[bedford]

Always thought Harry to be a clever young fella....

Wouldn't get past year 9

 

[Jewelsbon]

Having just watched our segment, he literally prefaces it with saying he thinks he'll get egg on his face and thinks we'll prove him wrong.

That's what you call fence sitting without the risk of getting splinters in your bum!

 

[bedford]

He's a good interviewer, McClure. I'm a bit surprised he's never seen the Yougov survey. Has anyone seen it?

Seems a weird segmentation of fans into 'avid' and 'core'. What's the difference? I'd have thought the biggest number of our fans would be 'casual', the people who don't come to games but help make our grand finals among the most-watched television events.

Anyway it's great the eyes of the footy world are on us for Round Zero. Maybe even SMH will run a story on p88

He's an imbecile.
It's a stupid subject anyway , much preferred Richard Colless who spoke when he needed to and never crap like this

 

[SM]

Put it this way.
Victoria has roughly 6.8 million people.
Say 5 in Melbourne .
Against that you have 10 Victorian clubs. All dividing up the pie. (as well as SMFC).
That division of fan bases is based on geographical, family , ethnic religion etc etc.
That Victorian pie is divided many ways.


NSW has 8.4 million people. Sydney 5 mill. With the swans catchment extending beyond greater metro into Newcastle 550K, Central coast 350K and Wollongong 310K Etc.
Pretty much the entirety of that catchment is aligned to the swans. In some degree. Thats well over 6 million people with one side. The swans.

As fan as being a fan goes. The definition is different in everyone's mind.
I've responded to many a friend about this. Mainly in Melbourne.
Their definition of being a fan is you should be a member and attend games etc.
To be a true fan.

Yet their definition goes a bit wavy when it comes to Cricket and Soccer.
They're a fan of the Australian cricket side. Naturally. However attending games....not so much . If at all. Joining CA...well nup
Same with the Socceroos and Matildas. Man the Matildas blew every sporting fan metric out of the water last winter .
Viewership on TV. Insane. Highest in history. Yet how many matildas fans (and i'm one) attend games and have a membership through myfootball.com.au?


The same argument can be had for NBA, NFL, premier league etc etc. Man . The amount of passionate Man U and Liverpool fans I've met in my time.

Unless we're getting $$ who cares if 2m identify as Swans fans? We barely ever sell out the SCG, and we have one of the lower membership bases in the comp. That's what matters. If they're buying merch or whatever, then great, that helps too, but it's a bit shallow to claim we're the biggest sporting club in the country when we regularly have a 3/4ers full at most SCG.

Otherwise, and I'm sorry to say, but you can wax lyrical all you want about the essence of being a fan, but it means SFA. They don't have to be members, they don't have to go to every game, but unless you're converting a significant proportion of 'supporters' into match going or match viewing fans beyond just 1-2 games a season then it doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[SM]

He's a good interviewer, McClure. I'm a bit surprised he's never seen the Yougov survey. Has anyone seen it?

Seems a weird segmentation of fans into 'avid' and 'core'. What's the difference? I'd have thought the biggest number of our fans would be 'casual', the people who don't come to games but help make our grand finals among the most-watched television events.

Anyway it's great the eyes of the footy world are on us for Round Zero. Maybe even SMH will run a story on p88

I would presume the distinction is core goes to upwards of 5 home games a season, avid to 1-3, and casual to 1 (or maybe watches on TV) or some such distinction. The distinction would be being made as the entire point of these surveys is to get a gauge of participation rates, and financial metrics such as memberships, merch purchases, etc. It's a bit of a nothing survey to just stop someone on the street in Sydney and ask which AFL team they most identify with as of course 9 out of 10 will likely say the Swans, but that doesn't actually mean anything. People who think it does need to consider what the point of growing the supporter base actually is.

 

[bedford]

I wonder how many of the 2million are proper fans

 

[Bloods86]

Profile piece on the Swans website with Harry Cunningham, and it may trigger yet another BF debate:

What's your most controversial opinion?

"It's a potato scallop, not a potato cake."

Because he's one of my favourites, I'll allow him this grave error.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Unless we're getting $$ who cares if 2m identify as Swans fans? We barely ever sell out the SCG, and we have one of the lower membership bases in the comp. That's what matters. If they're buying merch or whatever, then great, that helps too, but it's a bit shallow to claim we're the biggest sporting club in the country when we regularly have a 3/4ers full at most SCG.

Otherwise, and I'm sorry to say, but you can wax lyrical all you want about the essence of being a fan, but it means SFA. They don't have to be members, they don't have to go to every game, but unless you're converting a significant proportion of 'supporters' into match going or match viewing fans beyond just 1-2 games a season then it doesn't mean a whole lot.

Sorry I have to pull you up on this - membership figures from 2023 have us as the 10th placed team for membership, just below Adelaide and above Port. Considering SA is a footy state and NSW traditionally don't buy memberships, that's not bloody bad and we've come a long way this century.

 

[Arwib]

So although a lot of those million-plus survey respondents are just very casual disengaged fans, we also per the breakdowns of the roy Morgan data have just about the most unique individual attendees at games in a given year. What that means is we have a wide variety of people going to one or two games a year, watching a bit on TV, but not being hardcore fans.

Even league-wide, including Melbourne, only less than a third of the people surveyed by Roy Morgan as fans of clubs ever go to games. There's a whole lot of casual fans out there, everywhere, even in Melbourne. The same surveys get Collingwood or Essendon with the better part of a million fans - a lot of them, too, are not dropping money on watching them every week.

It's a bit elitist to suggest people with that level of connection to a club are not "fans" just because it doesn't fit the "buy a season ticket, go to every game" mentality normalised in Melbourne.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Really , amazing fact , but scallops do , love them

The fish shop near Woollies in Warrnambool has the best goddamn scallops. Farken yummo.

 

[SM]

Sorry I have to pull you up on this - membership figures from 2023 have us as the 10th placed team for membership, just below Adelaide and above Port. Considering SA is a footy state and NSW traditionally don't buy memberships, that's not bloody bad and we've come a long way this century.

Not memberships, membership conversion. We're dead last.

Sydney Swans are the most widely supported AFL club ahead of Collingwood, Brisbane and West Coast - Roy Morgan Research

www.roymorgan.com

EDIT: Sorry you were responding to a different point, but I'd say in a competition of 18, to be 10th makes us 'one of the lower' bases does it not?

 

[SM]

So although a lot of those million-plus survey respondents are just very casual disengaged fans, we also per the breakdowns of the roy Morgan data have just about the most unique individual attendees at games in a given year. What that means is we have a wide variety of people going to one or two games a year, watching a bit on TV, but not being hardcore fans.

Even league-wide, including Melbourne, only less than a third of the people surveyed by Roy Morgan as fans of clubs ever go to games. There's a whole lot of casual fans out there, everywhere, even in Melbourne. The same surveys get Collingwood or Essendon with the better part of a million fans - a lot of them, too, are not dropping money on watching them every week.

It's a bit elitist to suggest people with that level of connection to a club are not "fans" just because it doesn't fit the "buy a season ticket, go to every game" mentality normalised in Melbourne.

I don't think it's elitist to say that people not switching on the TV semi-regularly to tune into games aren't supporters that materially impact the club. I also never suggested that they need to buy a membership or attend every game. The mentality of some to suggest that this is the argument being put forward is quite disingenuous.

People who just tune into the GF because they live in NSW and loosely identify as Swans supporters does the club no material benefit. Like, cool, great for them that they enjoy watching one game every so often, and all power to them, but it's meaningless data for the Swans as an organisation unless there's a pathway to convert them into more serious and engaged supporters. Calling that perspective 'elitist' to in some way suggest that just watching the GF 'isn't enough' flies in the face of the whole point.