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year of the cat said:
I wonder if push came to shove that they would take him with our last pick?
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According to the Addy, if push came to shove Mumford will be brought up to the senior list. If they do the same with Ranga, that is leaving this draft way too thin, especially after delisting a talented, young developing player in Davenport.

I really hope Ranga accepts this rookie offer.
 

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The Pivotonian said:
However, if he is as good as we think (and have read) why would he not be offered a spot right away? Have we over-rated him? He has been mentioned in the same sentence as Top 20 but the club can't get him onto the list.
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By the sound of it, the club is being greedy/wise (depending on your point of view). Apparently if we rookie him he doesn't take up a spot cause of the scholarship program...ergo we could pick up four kids in the draft and another in the rookie.

However, would be absolutely fuming if Mumford got a spot ahead of Ranga. He's a backup at best...Ranga will be a bloody good player.
 
Yeah, from the description of him in the phtantom thought he could potentially fill that KPB slot if we go for Swift in the first.
 
Apparently Geelong are keen on Sturt U17s Captain and runner up of the U17s best and fairest, Michael O'Malley. He captained the U17s to grand final victory and also played in Sturt's U19s grand final loss the week later.
 
year of the cat said:
Check out these Youtube highlights of Jayden Post - the latest name to be touted!!!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdiTYKBt9c


Kicking needs a bit of work but otherwise has some talent. Don't know what round he will go - perhaps 2nd to 3rd. Maybe worth some consideration.
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Based on that video and the other stuff I have read, I'd imagine he's probably in the 30-50 range and I wouldn't mind at all if we took him with 33 or 39.

Genuine KP size, reportedly the best contested mark in the TAC competition, and has some great dash especially for a bloke his size. Apparently good attitude too, which is important for us. With Milburn, Scarlett and Harley likely to be gone within 2-3 years this bloke could be awesome providing a combination of Harley's marking of opposition kicks and Scarlo's dashing runs up the ground.

I wouldn't worry too much about his kicking either - he looks to me to be good (and long) on his right and OK on his left, and a few people who know more than I do think he is quite a good kick.
 
thejester said:
By the sound of it, the club is being greedy/wise (depending on your point of view). Apparently if we rookie him he doesn't take up a spot cause of the scholarship program...ergo we could pick up four kids in the draft and another in the rookie.

However, would be absolutely fuming if Mumford got a spot ahead of Ranga. He's a backup at best...Ranga will be a bloody good player.
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Correct on numerous counts - I knew there was a reason I rated your posting ;)

Looks like GFC has pulled a master stroke and Ranga has agreed to accepted the Rookie spot (I was thinking a bit last night that there may have been a bit going on behind the scenes before this became public).

If he has been rookied then it allows the club to go after 4 other kids knowing they already have secured a ripper for stuff all (and has helped with the TPP as well).

Oh Geelong, why oh why do we doubt you??

Now, onto these KPP players. One mid locked away. 4 picks, get another couple of KPP another mid and another small/mid back and we're away.

I'm already excited about draft day.
 
-CG- said:
Apparently Geelong are keen on Sturt U17s Captain and runner up of the U17s best and fairest, Michael O'Malley. He captained the U17s to grand final victory and also played in Sturt's U19s grand final loss the week later.
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-CG- - how does this O'Malley go? Was he ever a chance to break into the Sturt ressies (who I see were very strong this year) or even the seniors (who also had a great year, evidenced by Rick Macgowen heading over to Hawthorn next year).
 
year of the cat said:
Check out these Youtube highlights of Jayden Post - the latest name to be touted!!!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdiTYKBt9c


Kicking needs a bit of work but otherwise has some talent. Don't know what round he will go - perhaps 2nd to 3rd. Maybe worth some consideration.
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The marks at the 1.43 and 2.51 got my interest as does the way he seems to take players on.

Plenty of KPP floating around this year that's for sure.
 
The Pivotonian said:
-CG- - how does this O'Malley go? Was he ever a chance to break into the Sturt ressies (who I see were very strong this year) or even the seniors (who also had a great year, evidenced by Rick Macgowen heading over to Hawthorn next year).
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I'm not sure to be honest. Although given the strength of both the reserves and the league sides I doubt he would have, he's only 17.

I don't know much about him as a player, I did see both grand finals he played in and he is quite good. Plays in the midfield I think and is reasonably fast and agile.

http://murraybridge.yourguide.com.au/news/local/sport/afl/omalleys-year-to-remember/1321525.aspx
I found that article of him though.

But basically I've heard from one of his team mates that he will be going to Geelong unless he's picked up somewhere else first. So I guess we'll see come draft day whether this eventuates or not...
 

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The Pivotonian said:
Correct on numerous counts - I knew there was a reason I rated your posting ;)

Looks like GFC has pulled a master stroke and Ranga has agreed to accepted the Rookie spot (I was thinking a bit last night that there may have been a bit going on behind the scenes before this became public).
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Where did you hear this? Have I missed something? Would be fantastic if true. By doing this it pretty much gives us an extra 2 young guns to pick up in this years deep National & rookie drafts.:thumbsu:

Just off topic a little, does any else think that Brodie Moles didn't quite do enough in the VFL as a mature age rookie to justify keeping him on the list? He played some great games, but also had a few quiet ones. I just thought that with such a matured body shape, he'd have a greater impact. Would have been nice having another rookie pick too.
 
I'm having a hard time believing Ranga has agreed - if he has, why go through all of this public stuff? Why not just say 'Yeah, we're going to rookie him'?

Likewise I don't think the 'Wells clearly doesn't rate him anymore' argument holds much water. Wells may have pulled some smokeys out in his time but there is unanimous praise for this kid, and up until this point the club has been pretty enthusiastic. If nothing else, I don't think we would have signed so many scholarship players this year if we'd gone cold on Ranga - he is, after all, our first chance to test out how well it works.

I think this is merely the club looking to draft the absolute maximum amount of talent they can. One of the major reasons I thought we shouldn't rookie him - he'd be barred from playing seniors - looks wreong now anyway, with the new rule that from Rd 14 onwards all rookies will be eligible for senior selection. Given that we've just hired Lappin and all this talk of the 'football academy', I think its purely down to getting as many kids as possible.
 
I suspect they made it public as that is what is happening so it is getting the info out there.

But, I just can't see Geelong allows this kid to slip through their fingers that easily. So, I am fairly sure that there is stuff happening behind the scenes that will ensure that Ranga is wearing the hoops next year.

I seem to recall reading that Geelong had been really good in following up not just the football side of things but also his family, education and so on. There might just be enough goodwill there for his to agree with the promise he'll be the rookie selected to play seniors after rd 11 (thanks rule change). Then he'll be likely to be elevated the following year, all things being equal.

It is a good strategy if the club makes it happen. If they do (and I think they will), we'll say it was a master stroke.

Oh, and I must say sorry. I got caught in a rumour. I don't think anything official regarding his acceptance to being rookied has occurred.
 
As far as Ranga go's , can anyone advice on his disposal?

Can't help thinking that one thing that might have happened post the GF is an even harder line on foot skills. Surely this is a major reason why Davenport has been moved on.After him and Prismall going ,I really think we have opened our first pick up to who ever is the best available , mid included. If Hartlett etc slipped , I doubt we would automatically grab a tall.
 

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His kicking isn't great AFAIK but it's not bad either. Certainly as good as one bloke we're in the process of resigning.
 
Turbocat said:
Can't help thinking that one thing that might have happened post the GF is an even harder line on foot skills. Surely this is a major reason why Davenport has been moved on.After him and Prismall going ,I really think we have opened our first pick up to who ever is the best available , mid included. If Hartlett etc slipped , I doubt we would automatically grab a tall.
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A harder line on footskills or on key forwards who can convert??

If we look at it from a long term view, Hawkins will be a mainstay of the forward line. The club will be hoping for another talented KPF to pair him with, and this is what I think they'll go for with their first pick.

Many seem to think that Lewis Johnston won't get past Sydney's pick, which leave either Shaun McKernan or Aaron Cornelius. Can McKernan make it as a KPF, having played mainly in the ruck in the u18? Cornelius, it seems, is a very good contested mark..

What are people's thoughts about Cornelius? rizzo and others?

But who knows Turbocat, I'm not Stephen Wells!
 
geelong_boy said:
A harder line on footskills or on key forwards who can convert??
If we look at it from a long term view, Hawkins will be a mainstay of the forward line. The club will be hoping for another talented KPF to pair him with, and this is what I think they'll go for with their first pick.

Many seem to think that Lewis Johnston won't get past Sydney's pick, which leave either Shaun McKernan or Aaron Cornelius. Can McKernan make it as a KPF, having played mainly in the ruck in the u18? Cornelius, it seems, is a very good contested mark..

What are people's thoughts about Cornelius? rizzo and others?

But who knows Turbocat, I'm not Stephen Wells!
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Thats a fair point. Unfortunately the lack of conversion will not be improved by Hawkins. He is not a great set shot , and this is area why we persisted with Lonergan. He can convert. Only problem is getting it.

In fact , even good shots like Lonergan and Chapman were missing GF day and once his confidence went Mooney's accuracy was shot. Hardly a suprise , he had be erratic most of the year , hidden somewhat by the ludicrus assist mind set that was for the most part encouraged. To often for mine he past when he should have taken the set shot. Was it really good team play or just a convienent method of hidding his conversion problems.

Anyway , along with the set shots I think the ability to controll the ball thru the middle and convert on the run is another weakness to show itself. Corey is a fantastic player but not a great kick, Enright about the same. We must improve thru the middle as well as in our forwardline because we must have a fall back , a plan B and possession is probably it.

From the lttle I've seen I really hope we are not tempted by Cornelius. We really have not had any success with Tassy players and he looks to be another lead up guy rather than a guy who can do something magical.
 
Disagree that Hawkins is a poor set shot. I think he is actually a very good set shot. His kicking mechanics are excellent, he has a consistent routine, and once he gets some experience, confidence and maturity he could be outstanding. I see some Lockett in him from that perspective.

He kicked 13.5 this year, which is extremely good conversion, and much better than he did in 2007.

Lonergan is also a very good set shot. Its Mooney who so often lets us down. When he's on he can kick some great goals, but he is inconsistent and misses some shockers, often. I thinks its purely mental with him - when his confidence is shot, as it was in the GF after that ridiculous miss on half time, he just sucks in front of goal.
 
Reg Hickey said:
Disagree that Hawkins is a poor set shot. I think he is actually a very good set shot. His kicking mechanics are excellent, he has a consistent routine, and once he gets some experience, confidence and maturity he could be outstanding. I see some Lockett in him from that perspective.

He kicked 13.5 this year, which is extremely good conversion, and much better than he did in 2007.
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I hope he proves me wrong but from position he is a long way from Locket. Fantastic mark and can hoof it a fair distance but is not a reliable set shot.
 
How would you approach our first pick if you were Stephen Wells/Bomber?

Tall or short? Best available or by need?

Last year we clearly went on a needs basis drafting Harry Taylor. He may however end up being in the top 10-15 in that draft for talent as well.

My feeling at this stage is to go for either one of Trengove/Johnston/McKernan if one is available at pick 15. If all are gone then go for best available. I do think though we should go tall if we can.

Then our subsequent picks can be mid sized running players.

I reckon all the good talls will be gone by our second pick. Even Schoenmaker (sp?) is likely to be gone by then but I'm not sure if he "deserves" a pick 15 being used on him.

Thoughts?
 

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