MRP / Trib. Potential MRP - Hawkins run down tackle from behind on Joyce - Not cited yet.

[goyoucatters]

We agree on that - and like you say its good discussion

My final bit on this - Oscar Allen the young West Coast forward he got knocked out about 8-10 weeks ago - and i remember reading it - he said the following week - the 1st 3-4 days were frightening - he didnt know what was happening - and he was scared - he said it took him to about Thursday to come back to normal - but it rattled him a fair bit

We don't disagree at all about the frightening nature of concussion. It's just time for the AFL to enact a clear and transparent process (outside of the current outcomes-based farce) to move footy forward in a sustainable way on this issue.

 

[Tony Barber]

Nothing wrong with the tackle.
Hawkins isn't expected to tackle lightly unless he's at Auskick training.

He's not meant to run some maths in a split second on velocity, and therefor mass.
He couldn't have seen the ball being disposed.

Just a great piece of tackling and an accident. No double action. Zip.

 

[Catsace]

I'll ask you since others won't respond - how should he have tackled him then??

I can only say now as someone who has watched Geelong since about '77...a big bloke probably cannot tackle an opponent from behind. Particularly a big strong man with a significant weight component like Hawkins. It must be so hard for a footballer to basically recalibrate his entire career's actions in tackling when such an incident may leave him suspended.

I hate Tonka truck 4WD's with a passion, but on this basis any crash involving one should render the driver of such a behemoth guilty as it's greater weight will likely crunch a smaller car. It seems to be the same situation. To make a valiant effort to tackle a bloke in a tight game and run the risk of suspension, well perhaps we might have to see players just throw a speculative arm out at best....then fans can grumble about 'Oh, why didn't he stop him'?

I'd contend that over the last several years too...grounds are drier and harder in many cases, the 80's days of softer muddy ground would make such head knocks much less impactful as the ground would have a lot more give. And as an aside, the Hall/Buckenara tackle in the state game in the late 80's....would Bucky have got weeks for Hal's injured knee? I almost give up sometimes, but i'll always enjoy the Cats.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Shouldn't we have already heard about this?

 

[Generalissimo]

If that's suspension-worthy, how was Hawkins supposed to tackle then?

It's a pretty simple question. If some people weren't just talking crap to wind the other posters up they'd have an answer.

 

[cats_09]

Shouldn't we have already heard about this?

I feel like the decisions are coming out later & later in the day, almost like they're timing it so 7Newa getting the "breaking" news

 

[Romeoh1]

Footy incident. Will not get time for that. Even if mro gives it a week, tribunal will clear it.

 

[fpm84]

 

[Strange Cat]

Well well I’m glad I’m not the only one pointing out that Hawkins rolled the player …doubt the posters trying to claim it was a deliberate attempt by Hawkins to slam the player head into the ground will be taking back their comments

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I reckon that's Ralph hearing the voices coming from the MRO, they'll see that and see the only suspension is 2 weeks and consider if a football act should have you miss finals. I reckon he'll avoid suspension now.

 

[Strange Cat]

The MRO just needs to take off their rose coloured glasses and remove their Geelong goggles bias right?

 

[fpm84]

I reckon that's Ralph hearing the voices coming from the MRO, they'll see that and see the only suspension is 2 weeks and consider if a football act should have you miss finals. I reckon he'll avoid suspension now.

I have no doubt that people like Ralph get leaked MRO info and post it as opinion. Very confident now that Hawk will be free to play.

 

[Cataholic]

I can only say now as someone who has watched Geelong since about '77...a big bloke probably cannot tackle an opponent from behind. Particularly a big strong man with a significant weight component like Hawkins. It must be so hard for a footballer to basically recalibrate his entire career's actions in tackling when such an incident may leave him suspended.

I hate Tonka truck 4WD's with a passion, but on this basis any crash involving one should render the driver of such a behemoth guilty as it's greater weight will likely crunch a smaller car. It seems to be the same situation. To make a valiant effort to tackle a bloke in a tight game and run the risk of suspension, well perhaps we might have to see players just throw a speculative arm out at best....then fans can grumble about 'Oh, why didn't he stop him'?

I'd contend that over the last several years too...grounds are drier and harder in many cases, the 80's days of softer muddy ground would make such head knocks much less impactful as the ground would have a lot more give. And as an aside, the Hall/Buckenara tackle in the state game in the late 80's....would Bucky have got weeks for Hal's injured knee? I almost give up sometimes, but i'll always enjoy the Cats.

So do we ban rundown tackles?

But then virtually any tackle can produce an unpredictable momentum, direction and impact. So do we ban tackling full stop??

If this incident is cited it demonstrates that they have forgotten that a physical contact sport can, and will, cause accidental injury.

Either they remember that, and focus on punishing 'intent' rather than 'outcome', or they deem the risk unacceptable and virtually ban / punish all forms of tackling and bumping.

 

[cats_09]

It's been rather interesting reading non-Geelong social media the last 2 weeks...

After the GWS match it seemed most wanted Selwood suspended for his bump on Taylor & when he wasn't, it was because Geelong & Selwood are protected. There was also the odd comment that Dangerfield/Dramafield contributed to the Toby Greene

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elbow and contact really wasn't that bad

I think it's fair to say that a good number on here wouldn't have been too upset if Selwood was suspended last seen, but would likely disagree on the idea of Dangerfield playing up the contact


As for this week, I feel like I've seen more folks in this thread calling for Hawkins to be suspended than I have elsewhere with the majority of comments being that it was unfortunate Joyce was concussed but nothing wrong with the tackle. Read even more that have said if Hawkins is suspended that the tackle is dead

Also haven't read a single comment on the Hawkins/Crouch bump which is a good indication that there's nothing in it nor was there ever anything in it

 

[fpm84]

So do we ban rundown tackles?

But then virtually any tackle can produce an unpredictable momentum, direction and impact. So do we ban tackling full stop??

Not only but that let’s ban high marking too.

Remember that mark Shai Bolton took over us earlier in the season? No doubt it will be used for years to come to promote the AFL. His knee was dangerously close to Blicavs’ head. So I assume if his knee struck and concussed Blicavs, Bolton would be suspended too?

 

[Cataholic]

'now'.......what, the rolling of the player has only just become known or sighted???

It was obvious with instant replay that Hawkins rolled him to his side.

 

[Strange Cat]

'now'.......what, the rolling of the player has only just become known or sighted???

It was obvious with instant replay that Hawkins rolled him to his side.

Clearly we are all need to take our rose coloured glasses off and see Hawkins for the monster he is

 

[fpm84]

'now'.......what, the rolling of the player has only just become known or sighted???

It was obvious with instant replay that Hawkins rolled him to his side.

Clear as day that Hawkins turned him and he landed on the ground on his shoulder. There was no secondary movement that caused his head to hit the ground, nor was his head driven into the ground.

I almost want Hawkins to get a week so we can embarrass the tribunal in an appeal. It’s farcical this is even being discussed as a possible suspension.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Clearly we are all need to take our rose coloured glasses off and see Hawkins for the monster he is

Clearly you’re fishing for arguments, and yet again based solely on the fact that someone dared have a different opinion to yours.


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[fpm84]

What did I say about media leaks?

 

[cats_09]

Apparently we all support Geelong, or at least that's what the AFL club thingy under our names indicate

How about we all just chill and enjoy the prospect that Hawkins may have no case to answer

 

[Vdubs]

I can only say now as someone who has watched Geelong since about '77...a big bloke probably cannot tackle an opponent from behind. Particularly a big strong man with a significant weight component like Hawkins. It must be so hard for a footballer to basically recalibrate his entire career's actions in tackling when such an incident may leave him suspended.

I hate Tonka truck 4WD's with a passion, but on this basis any crash involving one should render the driver of such a behemoth guilty as it's greater weight will likely crunch a smaller car. It seems to be the same situation. To make a valiant effort to tackle a bloke in a tight game and run the risk of suspension, well perhaps we might have to see players just throw a speculative arm out at best....then fans can grumble about 'Oh, why didn't he stop him'?

I'd contend that over the last several years too...grounds are drier and harder in many cases, the 80's days of softer muddy ground would make such head knocks much less impactful as the ground would have a lot more give. And as an aside, the Hall/Buckenara tackle in the state game in the late 80's....would Bucky have got weeks for Hal's injured knee? I almost give up sometimes, but i'll always enjoy the Cats.

Josh Hunt got a week or 2 for a similar tackle some years back. That was a big bloke suspension for sure. Possibly a sling tackle, before they were really outlawed.

 

[fpm84]

Tom Browne on 7 saying Hawkins will be cleared. Official verdict at 7.15pm.

 

[cats_09]

MRO decisions due out at 7:15pm

Believed Hawkins will be ok based on the Holman decision - as the tribunal reversed the MRO decision on that incident, it's understood Christian will honour that decision and not suspend Hawkins

 

[Vdubs]

MRO decisions due out at 7:15pm

Believed Hawkins will be ok based on the Holman decision - as the tribunal reversed the MRO decision on that incident, it's understood Christian will honour that decision and not suspend Hawkins

Was not a sling or malicious tackle looking at it in real time- definitely one to challenge this time if was to get a week or 2..

That said, a week off next week could be very handy, given no prefinals bye. That bye was something our HP team, and most other contenders, would have been stategising with.