Premiership Clock

[Cousin of Daicos]

Well considering Collingwood had a greater percentage and finished on top of the ladder last year, then I have no idea how you have come to that conclusion.

While his revisionist history means nothing, I actually agree with him on that one point. Only because of our history with Hawthorn, not because Hawthorn 08 was actually a better side than Collingwood 10. Which they weren't.

The best team doesn't always win the Grand Final, the best team on the DAY does.

Luckily in 2010, they were one and the same team. In 08 and 09? They were not.

 

[Rioli magic]

23:59 - St Kilda - Still a great team/list and capable of winning next year, need to get 1 before Hayes and Reiwoldt drop off.

Geelong - Tough challenge but still have a lot of quality, last chance for a little while although unlikely.

23:00 - Collingwood - Window open for a few years, good mix of player ages, severely overrated individually as all premiership teams are but still the team to beat next year.

Hawthon - Need one in the next 2-3 years, still young overall but don't have the <22 talent of other teams, need one while the midfield is still capable.

Fremantle - Young and exciting, great job by Lloyd, need to back up last year, probably 2012 is there real target, get one while Pav, Sandi and McPharlin are still playing well, hopefully Barlow and Morabitto back to playing their best.

Western Bulldogs - Cleaned out some dead wood, alot of there best players are still around the 27/8 y/o mark. I rate the list and should be there abouts for a few years, exciting youngsters in Grant, Roughead, Wallis etc, good mid age in Cooney, Higgins, Griffen while Boyd, Cross, Murphy still have a few more years at the top.

Sydney - tough to read IMO, I place them here because they're always around the 8. Have drafted some exciting youngsters the last few years and recruited well as always. Need White to step up if he's capable and the likes of Kennedy and Jack continue, and perhaps a stand out year from a few to go all the way. Just as likely to trade in some holes over the next season or two and be thereabouts.

22:00 - Carlton - Really depends on the development of Henderson and a Watson type, midfield is strong, but KPP's need to develop. Probably 3 years away.

Adelaide - tough to read like Sydney, have enough players in the right age to challenge, need a standout out year from Tippet or Walker. Midfield and defence is still good, probably aiming when Davis, Otten, Dangerfield start peaking while hopefully Thompson, Johncock, Rutten etc are still performing.


These teams are aiming for finals first, premierships a year or 2 after.

21:00 - Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide.

20:00 - Richmond

19:00 - Essendon, West Coast, Gold Coast

18:00 - Brisbane

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I don't see any similarity between Hawthorn of 2008 and Collingwood of 2010. The Collingwood team was better and has not lost any premiership players, and I'm sure that Malthouse won't stand still and wait for other clubs to catch up like Clarkson did in 2009.

Hawthorn on the other hand were not the best team of 2008, and they weren't favourites to win the premiership at the beginning of 2009 either. They immediately lost Crawford, Croad, and Campbell, and then Dew retired not long after. They still haven't been able to replace those players.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. In 2008 Hawthorn went 20 wins and 5 losses ( inc finals ) and in 2010 Collingwood went 20 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Very similair seasons in that regard, wouldn't you say? In many peoples opinion 2008 was a tougher season as well. One of the greatest sides of all time in Geelong had only 1 loss until the GF, and the Dogs and the Saints were both very good that year and legitimite contenders.

A big arguement could be made that Hawthorn had a better year in 2008 and were a better side than Collingwood of 2010. Almost identical win-loss records and we did have to beat one of the great sides of all time in the GF, whereas you only had to beat St Kilda.

I really don't know why I even bother responding to you, because you are going to ignore all the facts and try and twist things around to suit your own arguement

You're unreasonable, biased and have no credibility

 

[One 2 Roo]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. In 2008 Hawthorn went 20 wins and 5 losses ( inc finals ) and in 2010 Collingwood went 20 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Very similair seasons in that regard, wouldn't you say? In many peoples opinion 2008 was a tougher season as well. One of the greatest sides of all time in Geelong had only 1 loss until the GF, and the Dogs and the Saints were both very good that year and legitimite contenders.

A big arguement could be made that Hawthorn had a better year in 2008 and were a better side than Collingwood of 2010. Almost identical win-loss records and we did have to beat one of the great sides of all time in the GF, whereas you only had to beat St Kilda.

I really don't know why I even bother responding to you, because you are going to ignore all the facts and try and twist things around to suit your own arguement

You're unreasonable, biased and have no credibility

Hey hey hey.....ease up

 

[Deep Blue]

23.59 - Collingwood
(Will win another flag in the next two seasons)

23:30 - Stkilda
(Same squad, do they have the drive to go again?)

22.30 - Fremantle
(Quality Seniors backed up by exciting kids who add finishing skills and potency, will only improve against those above on this list).

21.00 - Adelaide, Sydney
(Both are under rated, Collingwood only need fall of a little and these two IMO have the capacity to capitalize. Both are good enough to muscle Fremantle at their best.)

20.00 - Melbourne, Gold Coast
(Depth of quality youth are greater than others and make them all but a sure thing to compete in a few years).

19.00 - Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs
(Two middle of the road sides perhaps at different stages, Hawthorn lack the genuine top end talent through their list to go with other sides, they can however build towards another premiership if they make some good moves at the trade/ draft table over the next two seasons. North just need to keep on improving).

18.00 - GWS, Carlton, .
(GWS have greater challengers than the GC, not a massive fan of Carltons list.)

17.00 - WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide
(All three have some time to finish building competitive lists, Richmond and Westcoast are two of the youngest lists in the competition and that won't change, Port could go either way they could spend some more time building their list and be real threat or they could rise too early)

15.00 - Essendon.
(Agree with others, they have poor midfield that throws them down the rankings, could change with some high quality recruiting.)

1.00 - Geelong
(I think they are past it, for a few years. Perhaps it's wishful thinking.

12.00 - Brisbane
(Needs to rebuild, has some quality youth and they should start with that and build towards that fourth premiership.)

You will be come season's end!

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Hey hey hey.....ease up

I meant it in a way compared to that Geelong team who had only lost 1 game in 08 up until the GF

No offence intended

 

[lutts]

23:59 - St Kilda - Still a great team/list and capable of winning next year, need to get 1 before Hayes and Reiwoldt drop off.

Geelong - Tough challenge but still have a lot of quality, last chance for a little while although unlikely.

23:00 - Collingwood - Window open for a few years, good mix of player ages, severely overrated individually as all premiership teams are but still the team to beat next year.

Hawthon - Need one in the next 2-3 years, still young overall but don't have the <22 talent of other teams, need one while the midfield is still capable.

Fremantle - Young and exciting, great job by Lloyd, need to back up last year, probably 2012 is there real target, get one while Pav, Sandi and McPharlin are still playing well, hopefully Barlow and Morabitto back to playing their best.

Western Bulldogs - Cleaned out some dead wood, alot of there best players are still around the 27/8 y/o mark. I rate the list and should be there abouts for a few years, exciting youngsters in Grant, Roughead, Wallis etc, good mid age in Cooney, Higgins, Griffen while Boyd, Cross, Murphy still have a few more years at the top.

Sydney - tough to read IMO, I place them here because they're always around the 8. Have drafted some exciting youngsters the last few years and recruited well as always. Need White to step up if he's capable and the likes of Kennedy and Jack continue, and perhaps a stand out year from a few to go all the way. Just as likely to trade in some holes over the next season or two and be thereabouts.

22:00 - Carlton - Really depends on the development of Henderson and a Watson type, midfield is strong, but KPP's need to develop. Probably 3 years away.

Adelaide - tough to read like Sydney, have enough players in the right age to challenge, need a standout out year from Tippet or Walker. Midfield and defence is still good, probably aiming when Davis, Otten, Dangerfield start peaking while hopefully Thompson, Johncock, Rutten etc are still performing.


These teams are aiming for finals first, premierships a year or 2 after.

21:00 - Melbourne, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide.

20:00 - Richmond

19:00 - Essendon, West Coast, Gold Coast

18:00 - Brisbane

Well, I have to agree with a Hawthorn Supporter
St. Kilda and Geelong are well and truly still in their Premiership window, with majority on their lists at their 'peak' time. So if it don't happen this/next year then back to re-building stage for them.
Collingwood on the other hand has such a young list there is still more improvement to come, so they won't achieve their 'peak' time for another couple years
Smokeys are Fremantle, the Western Bulldogs (and possibly Melbourne) - both with exciting youngsters ready to push their teams up, up & up.
Not sure re Hawthorn, Sydney, North & Adelaide.
God forbid GC will become a force in 3-4 years, and with GWS right on their tail then teams like Essendon, Brisbane, Richmond, West Coast, Port & Carlton (once Judd retires) will have a LONG LONG LONG LONG wait before their see any chance for Premiership success.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I think with the young age of our list we should be genuine contenders for the next 3 years.

Trust me - it only takes Swan to be suspended for a year for bringing the game into disrepute, Pendlebury to chase the money to GWS and Travis Cloke to tear his hamstring off the bone and Darren Jolly to get groin injuries - then you find yourself buggered

 

[glenn_ox]

Brisbane:

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. In 2008 Hawthorn went 20 wins and 5 losses ( inc finals ) and in 2010 Collingwood went 20 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Very similair seasons in that regard, wouldn't you say? In many peoples opinion 2008 was a tougher season as well. One of the greatest sides of all time in Geelong had only 1 loss until the GF, and the Dogs and the Saints were both very good that year and legitimite contenders.

A big arguement could be made that Hawthorn had a better year in 2008 and were a better side than Collingwood of 2010. Almost identical win-loss records and we did have to beat one of the great sides of all time in the GF, whereas you only had to beat St Kilda.

I really don't know why I even bother responding to you, because you are going to ignore all the facts and try and twist things around to suit your own arguement

You're unreasonable, biased and have no credibility

The only problem with your argument is that if you bothered to list which team was the only one to beat Geelong that year outside of the GF, it tears your argument apart, hence why you probably didn't.

 

[AG]

How are GWS not last on every list?

 

[tigerfansince86]

Hawthorn 08 team would tear Collingwood '10 apart pies fans need to stop being so bias. The Hawthorn team of that year was incredible and deserved to win on grand final day with a very smart and tough brand of footy. If the Collingwood '10 team played the Geelong 08 team in the grand final the pies would of got hammered............period

 

[smitchell]

Trust me - it only takes Swan to be suspended for a year for bringing the game into disrepute, Pendlebury to chase the money to GWS and Travis Cloke to tear his hamstring off the bone and Darren Jolly to get groin injuries - then you find yourself buggered

Wow, is that all.

Something like that could only happen to an extremely arrogant, unlikeable club

 

[raskolnikov]

Hawthorn are so overrated it's sickening. Won't even make the 8 this year.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Safe to say Dogs are going going Gawn!

Hehe, would much rather be in the Dogs current position then Essendons. People just assume sides that are currently shit have a good future, Essendons is bleak

 

[TownleyTime]

If the Collingwood '10 team played the Geelong 08 team in the grand final the pies would of got hammered............period

Didn't an inferior version of Collingwood tear Geelong apart in 08'?

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Hawthorn are so overrated it's sickening. Won't even make the 8 this year.

I agree, we're no good and will struggle to make the 8. But that being said, we are still streets ahead of Essendon at the end of the day

 

[raskolnikov]

I agree, we're no good and will struggle to make the 8. But that being said, we are still streets ahead of Essendon at the end of the day

Not for very much longer so enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Didn't an inferior version of Collingwood tear Geelong apart in 08'?

This is why I don't get that comparison.

A younger Collingwood with more 'average' players than the current side beat Geelong in 08 with the same game that they beat them with twice THIS year.

It's no secret Malthouse has been building a Geelong beating gameplan since the 07 Prelim, which workd as a once off in 08, but our side wasn't fit or strong enough to do that week in week out for a season, hence why it took till 10 to win the flag.

So clearly, Collingwood 10 would beat Geelong 08 because Collingwood 08 beat Geelong 08.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

This is why I don't get that comparison.

A younger Collingwood with more 'average' players than the current side beat Geelong in 08 with the same game that they beat them with twice THIS year.

It's no secret Malthouse has been building a Geelong beating gameplan since the 07 Prelim, which workd as a once off in 08, but our side wasn't fit or strong enough to do that week in week out for a season, hence why it took till 10 to win the flag.

So clearly, Collingwood 10 would beat Geelong 08 because Collingwood 08 beat Geelong 08.

Richmond beat us in 2008, Essendon beat St Kilda in 2010 et etc etc. It doesn't mean that they are better sides, just as Collingwood of 2010 isn't a better side than Geelong of 2008.

I know some Hawthorn fans were arrogant tossers after we won the flag, but Collingwood fans this year have taken it to a whole new level.

You guys are really convinced you are on the brink of a dynasty and the Collingwood side of 2010 is one of the great premiership sides huh? How wrong you are on both accounts

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Richmond beat us in 2008, Essendon beat St Kilda in 2010 et etc etc. It doesn't mean that they are better sides, just as Collingwood of 2010 isn't a better side than Geelong of 2008.

I know some Hawthorn fans were arrogant tossers after we won the flag, but Collingwood fans this year have taken it to a whole new level.

You guys are really convinced you are on the brink of a dynasty and the Collingwood side of 2010 is one of the great premiership sides huh? How wrong you are on both accounts

You got that from my post?

Really?

What I posted was pretty logical. I'm sorry it goes above your comprehension

edit: Collingwood was a semi-finalist in 08. Not REALLY the same comparison. You could see the building blocks of the current side and it's gameplan back then. Surely even YOUR goggles would allow you to see that.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

edit: Collingwood was a semi-finalist in 08. Not REALLY the same comparison. You could see the building blocks of the current side and it's gameplan back then. Surely even YOUR goggles would allow you to see that.

Of course I can see that. I don't have any rose tinted glasses on. I think Hawthorn will miss the 8 this season.

Collingwood will start the season favourites and rightfully so, but it's a long season and very, very hard to win back to back.

 

[skipper kelly]

2 points.

1. Why use the 24 hour clock?

2. My team is better.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Of course I can see that. I don't have any rose tinted glasses on. I think Hawthorn will miss the 8 this season.

Collingwood will start the season favourites and rightfully so, but it's a long season and very, very hard to win back to back.

But....who said anything about dynasties and back to back here?

We were talking Collingwood 10 vs Geelong 08 or Hawthorn 08 weren't we?

That's the post of yours I responded to. It wasn't even a discussion of which side was better. Geelong 08 on a player by player basis, is better than Collingwood 10.

But Collingwood 10 would still have beaten Geelong 08. Not because they were better but they matched up well, and were working on a game plan DESIGNED to beat Geelong for so long.

They were good enough to put that gameplan into practice once or twice in 08, but couldn't maintain for a season. Last year, they COULD maintain it for a season, and it's part of the reason they won the flag LAST YEAR.

Who knows what will happen this year.

 

[jimmyclean]

23:59 = Premiership window open 2011

23:00 = Premiership window opening 2011/12

22:00 = Premiership window opening 2012

21:00 = Premiership window opening 2012/13

20:00 = Premiership window opening 2013



00:00 = Premiership window closing

00:01 = Premiership window closed for 2011, uncertain when next premiership will be

02:00 = Premiership window closed for 2010/11, uncertain when next premiership will be

04:00 = Premiership window closed for 2009-11, uncertain when next premiership will be

if a team is more than 6 years away, or they haven't been in the premiership window for more than 6 years, put them at 12:00

Collingwood - 23:59
St Kilda - 00:00
Geelong - 00:00
Western Bulldogs - 00:00
Hawthorn - 00:00
Sydney - 00:01
Carlton - 23:59
Fremantle - 23:59

Port Adelaide - 02:00
North Melbourne - 21:00
Adelaide - 00:01 (Hardest for me to assess)
Melbourne - 21:00
Essendon - 03:00
Richmond - 21:00
Brisbane - 04:00
West Coast - 20:00
Gold Coast - 20:00

Teams that are after midnight will go down the ladder before they go up.

Teams at midnight have 2011 to win a premiership but it looks bleak after.

Teams before midnight are shaping up for a premiership window, how that pans out remains to be seen.