Premiership Clock

[feathers]

All that indicates is that punters are putting money on you.

but nobody rates us except hawthorn supporters.so are all these punters hawthorn supporters?muppet!

 

[kirky]

As an unbiased commentator - Collingwood 2010 better than Hawks 2008.

Now looking forward :-

Collingwood - 2011 should be theirs again (provided heads don't swell) but gameplan will have been scrutinised over the summer

Geelong - fall from grace is on the cards

Saints - will be thereabouts but can they do another season like the last two (history suggests not)

Bullies - window closed

Hawks - disappointing since 2008 and don't have the cattle

Adelaide - most difficult to read but probaly 2012 plus will see their window open

The rest are still a few seasons away (Brisbane is more likely to be a decade)

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

You collingwood supporters really feel threatened by Hawthorn this year don't you?

No need to worry. We are above average at best, just like you will be in 2011

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

23.59 - Collingwood, Stkilda (Stkilda haven't lost anyone of "value")

23.00 - Fremantle (ready to challenge if everything goes right)

22.00 - Adelaide, Hawthorn (both need one more season to develop further)

20.00 - Melbourne, North Melbourne (North have a lot of young talent, and a better coach then Melbourne)

19.00 - Gold Coast (With that list, it may even be one year earlier)

18.00 - GWS (They will obviously only be one year behind GC)

17.00 - Sydney, WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide

15.00 - Essendon (Worst midfield in the comp, has to be totally rebuilt)

1.00 - Geelong (Small chance they could have one last crack at it)

12.00 - Brisbane, Western Bulldogs, Carlton (No chance of winning a flag withing the next 6 years, any of them)

Take it as you will, the Carlton rating will get the most criticism, but hey, they rely on Judd so much, and he will slowly deteriorate after 2011, and they don't have a champion to replace him.

Possibly the most intelligent and honest post in history , although I'd poke Hawthorn and Sydney as always in the mix !

 

[Gavin Excell]

Possibly the most intelligent and honest post in history , although I'd poke Hawthorn and Sydney as always in the mix !

So Tiges to be in the premierhsip zone for 2011 and rated higher thnag Geelong?

Sure we are on the downward spiral, bu plsease tigers ahead of Geelong? Lets rethink that "most intelligent" post line

 

[Damon_3388]

but nobody rates us except hawthorn supporters.so are all these punters hawthorn supporters?muppet!

I wasn't the one that said that the only people that rate you are your own supporters, so using that against me does nothing. That being said, with all the record membership numbers the Hawks like to talk about, maybe they are the only ones putting themselves up there in the betting

Seriously though, all betting odds show is that punters are putting money on you. They're not any sort of relaible indicator or predictor of actual performance.

You collingwood supporters really feel threatened by Hawthorn this year don't you?

You're also-rans. Act accordingly.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

So Tiges to be in the premierhsip zone for 2011 and rated higher thnag Geelong?

Sure we are on the downward spiral, bu plsease tigers ahead of Geelong? Lets rethink that "most intelligent" post line

Ah no !
Richmond weren't listed as 23.59 ?
Actually, to be honest I think Geelong will probably be the worst hit by the introduction of the 2 new franchises and free trade , closely followed by Brisbane , time will tell ?

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Plenty seeing Collingwood as several years at the top, but they would be very fortunate to get a run with injury to match 2010.

A serious injury to Jolly would put them right under the pump.

 

[JoondalupJ]

i think with the young age of our list we should be genuine contenders for the next 3 years.

never count your chickens. Collingwood very good, second final .
Week before almost lost, but so did st kilda that means they were equal at that stage. I think the saints will drop off, so might the maggies.
Hawthorn have this year and next to be right there if not you may be right .
But i'd be very dissapointed if the hawks don't make the final 4 this 2011 season.

 

[JoondalupJ]

As an unbiased commentator - Collingwood 2010 better than Hawks 2008.

Now looking forward :-

Collingwood - 2011 should be theirs again (provided heads don't swell) but gameplan will have been scrutinised over the summer

Geelong - fall from grace is on the cards

Saints - will be thereabouts but can they do another season like the last two (history suggests not)

Bullies - window closed

Hawks - disappointing since 2008 and don't have the cattle

Adelaide - most difficult to read but probaly 2012 plus will see their window open

The rest are still a few seasons away (Brisbane is more likely to be a decade)

hAWKS DON'T HAVE THE CATTLE??????

 

[Gus]

I honestly don't believe Bulldogs will drop dpwm. The four players we lost (Hahn, Aker, Johnson, Eagleton) were average at best last year, where we finished fourth. We carried Johnson through most of the year.

We were without Cooney for the last part of last season and the finals, we missed Morris for the last part of the season and he came into the prelim underdone, Lake battled a hip problem almost all of August and all of September, and Shaun Higgins battled thyroid illness all season.

One more preseason into our promising young players who are already contributors to our team in Grant, Jones and Roughead will be handy, and Sherman should be a regular member of our 22.

Window still open.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I honestly don't believe Bulldogs will drop dpwm. The four players we lost (Hahn, Aker, Johnson, Eagleton) were average at best last year, where we finished fourth. We carried Johnson through most of the year.

We were without Cooney for the last part of last season and the finals, we missed Morris for the last part of the season and he came into the prelim underdone, Lake battled a hip problem almost all of August and all of September, and Shaun Higgins battled thyroid illness all season.

One more preseason into our promising young players who are already contributors to our team in Grant, Jones and Roughead will be handy, and Sherman should be a regular member of our 22.

Window still open.

The Dogs shouldn't drop down, you're right. Though the issue is that they haven't been good enough to take those last couple of steps recently. For that to happen a few of those young kids need to have breakout seasons, and then you guys will be "legitimite" premiership contenders, as opposed to making up the numbers as you have been doing recently

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I honestly don't believe Bulldogs will drop dpwm. The four players we lost (Hahn, Aker, Johnson, Eagleton) were average at best last year, where we finished fourth. We carried Johnson through most of the year.

We were without Cooney for the last part of last season and the finals, we missed Morris for the last part of the season and he came into the prelim underdone, Lake battled a hip problem almost all of August and all of September, and Shaun Higgins battled thyroid illness all season.

One more preseason into our promising young players who are already contributors to our team in Grant, Jones and Roughead will be handy, and Sherman should be a regular member of our 22.

Window still open.

The Dogs shouldn't drop down, you're right. Though the issue is that they haven't been good enough to take those last couple of steps recently. For that to happen a few of those young kids need to have breakout seasons, and then you guys will be "legitimite" premiership contenders, as opposed to making up the numbers as you have been doing recently.

I'm not saying it will or won't happen, but I shall be watching with interest.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Deleted - duplicate

 

[Gus]

One more delete needed. Triple post?

 

[Gus]

Our younger players don't neccessarily need to have breakout years, just need to become more regular contributors. Grant should be able to do that now after his first real full season as an AFL quality player. Higgins should be close to returning to the potential superstar he was. Ward just needs to keep going.

 

[stfan]

Pies: Remain the team to beat. In 2010 they had a year when everything they did turned to gold, including a low injury rate to key players. Their age profile would suggest that there is room for improvement.

Saints: In 2010 that they had a year when almost everything went wrong or against them, but yet still almost won the premiership. No real losses to their list for 2011, except that Gardiner's knee has a ? Should be second favourites.

Personally I then see a bit of a gap to the Dogs an Cats. Dogs have quite a few players to replace, and the Cats look to have a lot of players now well past their best.

No other team looks capable at present of pushing up enoug except perhaps the brittle and inconsistent Hawks.

 

[KissStephanie]

As an unbiased commentator - Collingwood 2010 better than Hawks 2008.

It's good to see that you notice that too, but I really don't see how anybody could think otherwise.

You collingwood supporters really feel threatened by Hawthorn this year don't you?

I can only speak for myself, and I can say no I don't feel threatened by Hawthorn, and I think Collingwood, Western Bulldogs, Geelong, Fremantle, and possibly St.Kilda will finish higher than them. Collingwood is a better team than Hawthorn as long as the players treat them respect. Collingwood thrashed Hawthorn in the only match that mattered last year in Round 4 by 64 points, and it should have been much more considering we won by nine goals and ten behinds.

The Round 22 match was a dead rubber for Collingwood and they played at 70% intensity, but Hawthorn had to win to have a chance of hosting a final the next week. Despite that, Collingwood had more inside-50's, more scoring shots, and had Hawthorn's measure for most of the match until they put the cue in the rack half way through the final quarter. It then came down to whether Dayne Beams could kick an easy winning goal from 30 metres out with 30 seconds out. He missed though, but it didn't matter.

Plenty seeing Collingwood as several years at the top, but they would be very fortunate to get a run with injury to match 2010.

After several years of injuries, Collingwood are due to have another season like last year, besides, it's all about recovery and preparation these days anyway. Most teams lose players due to poor training methods, but that doesn't happen at Collingwood, and David Buttifant is great at getting players ready for each match. I don't see any reason that should change in 2011. As for freak serious injuries, all clubs are equal regarding that, and Collingwood have had their share over recent seasons.

A serious injury to Jolly would put them right under the pump.

Of course, but what's your point? A serious injury to an important player of any team would have a bad effect, so I don't see how any other team is different regarding that.

 

[Sir Eddie Menuek]

Gold Coast's premiership window opens in 2011, we are going to shock the competition

 

[feathers]

I wasn't the one that said that the only people that rate you are your own supporters, so using that against me does nothing. That being said, with all the record membership numbers the Hawks like to talk about, maybe they are the only ones putting themselves up there in the betting

Seriously though, all betting odds show is that punters are putting money on you. They're not any sort of relaible indicator or predictor of actual performance.



You're also-rans. Act accordingly.

so you went completely off topic then?i think you confuse yourself.try reading the posts proceeding the one your responding to.then have a little think about it.then turn your computer off.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Geelong ranked lower than Essendon?
GWS (a team that does not even exist) higher than half the competition?

No offense, but either that list is meant to be a joke or you know nothing about football.

Did you read any of my post?

 

[Bulldog Joe]

After several years of injuries, Collingwood are due to have another season like last year, besides, it's all about recovery and preparation these days anyway. Most teams lose players due to poor training methods, but that doesn't happen at Collingwood, and David Buttifant is great at getting players ready for each match. I don't see any reason that should change in 2011.

I know I shouldn't encourage you, but Collingwood were very fortunate with injury in 2010 and basically had the full list available for the final series.

To suggest that most teams lose players due to poor training methods is incredibly naive, particularly when you claim that Collingwood don't, yet also claim that they have had a years of injury concerns.

Your post suggests that Dale Morris suffering a cracked vertabrae in round 21 was due to poor preparation, when that is obviously not the case.

As for freak serious injuries, all clubs are equal regarding that, and Collingwood have had their share over recent seasons.Of course, but what's your point? A serious injury to an important player of any team would have a bad effect, so I don't see how any other team is different regarding that.

Collingwood were certainly better placed in 2010 as far as serious injury was concerned and my point was that if it happened to Darren Jolly, they are in serious trouble, because they have no adequate cover for him and it would seriously hinder their work from stoppages.

 

[KissStephanie]

I know I shouldn't encourage you

Why not? Do you have a reason to feel that way?

Collingwood were very fortunate with injury in 2010 and basically had the full list available for the final series.

Firstly, I don't think Collingwood were very fortunate, because I tend to think it had more to do with recovery and preparation and fitness management that paid off. I also thought all year that Brad Dick was in Collingwood's best team, but he wasn't available for the finals.

I think that training methods, recovery and preparation can have a big effect these days, particularly regarding soft tissue injuries. David Buttifant is very good at getting players ready for each match, so I don't expect that to change this year. Collingwood had to use 33 different players last year, which was the same number as the Western Bulldogs as well.

To suggest that most teams lose players due to poor training methods is incredibly naive

I will rephrase it then. A number of teams do lose players due to poor training methods, particularly soft tissue injuries.

particularly when you claim that Collingwood don't yet, also claim that they have had a years of injury concerns.

I didn't say that Collingwood have had years of injury concerns, but they've certainly had their share in recent seasons. In only 2005-06, David Misson was the trendsetter regarding being able to get players ready to play for Sydney each week, so it is a fairly new science. They only used 32 different players in 2005, and 31 different players in 2006, and that should be about the aim of all premiership contenders.

At the beginning of 2008, David Buttifant became Sports Science Director at Collingwood. In his first two seasons, Collingwood used 37 different players, which is probably too many, but understandable as he was still modifying a programme that I feel he has right now, and I don't think that is going to change too much this year.

Your post suggests that Dale Morris suffering a cracked vertabrae in round 21 was due to poor preparation, when that is obviously not the case.

I didn't say or suggest such a thing though, and of course such an injury is unfortunate, as was Alan Didak's torn pectoral muscle, and Brad Dick's dislocated shoulder. Fortunately though, Morris only missed a few matches and the Bulldogs only had one player missing from their best team in the Preliminary Final. I actually said that all clubs are equal regarding serious injury that can occur during a match, so why are you even mentioning it?

Collingwood were certainly better placed in 2010 as far as serious injury was concerned and my point was that if it happened to Darren Jolly, they are in serious trouble, because they have no adequate cover for him and it would seriously hinder their work from stoppages.

I don't understand the reason you continue to mention Darren Jolly. He has played 136 consecutive matches, so it's not like he has a history of injury problems. Of course he is an important player to Collingwood, but the same applies for all clubs regarding their important players. Do you honestly believe that Collingwood is the only team in the AFL that should be concerned about the possibility of losing an important to serious injury? If you do, then I completely disagree.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Not sure why 24 hours were used. That's 2 rotations of the clock

 

[rose jam]

Collingwood were certainly better placed in 2010 as far as serious injury was concerned and my point was that if it happened to Darren Jolly, they are in serious trouble, because they have no adequate cover for him and it would seriously hinder their work from stoppages.

Would hate to have injuries to Jolly, Cloke, Swan, Didal, Pendlebury for sure

But you'd probably feel the same about Lake, Cooney, Hudson, or Hall.

You know throw the injury thing at any time and it's going to screw them up a bit isn't it