President Shwartzanegger?

[dan warna]

Seems they want to amend the constitution so that the governator becomes the PResidentanator

 

[hoss]

Says it all about the USA really, doesn't it?

 

[DaveW]

There was a discussion about this a few months back on the News Hour on SBS.

Mark Shields posed the question: (paraphrasing) Who's going to change the constitution? The other guys who also want to become president?

The requisite that a president must be US-born is archaic but change is unlikely to come soon. Constitutional change needs what... the approval of some 38 states?

Schwarzenegger though would make a much better president than the goose who currently occupies the White House.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Schwarzenegger though would make a much better president than the goose who currently occupies the White House.

Yes, at least he openly admired the Nazis

 

[- PC -]

Seems they want to amend the constitution so that the governator becomes the PResidentanator

Schwarzenegger for President?
The U.S. Constitution requires that a president be a "natural born citizen," in other words, a native, born on U.S. soil. But there's an effort to amend this requirement so that Arnie can run someday. H.J. Res. 104 was introduced on Sept. 15 2004 as a joint resolution by Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). It proposes amending the constitution to make a naturalized citizen of 20 or more years eligible for the presidency of the United States. If passed, this bill would allow Arnold Schwarzenegger could run for president.

Funny thing was when I was younger I thought there was a 20 year rule????

 

[MightyFighting]

Be happy; at least he's not Jeb Bush.

 

[Ray Nolan]

Yes, at least he openly admired the Nazis

Wasn't that his Dad that was involved with the Nazis? Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a financial supporter of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre for over 20 odd years.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Wasn't that his Dad that was involved with the Nazis? Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a financial supporter of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre for over 20 odd years.

I understand Arnie and his father have had disagreements over the OM's support for the NAZIS.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Schwarzenegger for President?
The U.S. Constitution requires that a president be a "natural born citizen," in other words, a native, born on U.S. soil. But there's an effort to amend this requirement so that Arnie can run someday. H.J. Res. 104 was introduced on Sept. 15 2004 as a joint resolution by Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). It proposes amending the constitution to make a naturalized citizen of 20 or more years eligible for the presidency of the United States. If passed, this bill would allow Arnold Schwarzenegger could run for president.

Funny thing was when I was younger I thought there was a 20 year rule????

I thought so as well,but it may of been rescinded.Unsure about that.

 

[Valkyrie]

Seems they want to amend the constitution so that the governator becomes the PResidentanator

one of my friends was predicting this twenty years ago - and he's looking more right every year.

i originally heard it discussed in relation to giving people like Madeline Albright the chance to be pres. but i'm not sure whether she would still be interested by the time the change could be made

 

[dan warna]

one of my friends was predicting this twenty years ago - and he's looking more right every year.

i originally heard it discussed in relation to giving people like Madeline Albright the chance to be pres. but i'm not sure whether she would still be interested by the time the change could be made

It seem the religious right don't like him, but the moderate republicans and conservative democraps do.

he slaughtered in Florida which has be a democratic home for while now, and he campaigned well for bush.

he might get across if the repubs get behind him.

 

[BlueMark]

He has done a good job in California. Is seen as being socially progressive and fiscally conservative. As someone stated the religious right will hate him. Personally wouldn't have a problem him being President. The Yanks can and have done worse, a lot worse.

 

[Qsaint]

Wasn't that his Dad that was involved with the Nazis? Arnold Schwarzenegger has been a financial supporter of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre for over 20 odd years.

Prescott Bush was involved with a bank that helped the Nazi's, but like his grandsons glorious military service it doesn't mean that anyone would critisize the GOP President. I thought it was Arnie's father that was very briefly involved with the nazi's?

 

[- PC -]

Prescott Bush was involved with a bank that helped the Nazi's, but like his grandsons glorious military service it doesn't mean that anyone would critisize the GOP President. I thought it was Arnie's father that was very briefly involved with the nazi's?

I dont take too much stock in that anymore.....the times dictated that those in that geographic area did what they did to survive...

Whether he joined voluntarily or not wont either.. Half the policies today make the Nazi party look like lambs

Only one policy of the Nazis was intolerable..and that was the ''Jewish Solution''

Germany was lifted after the aftermath of WW1 to having national pride again. Arent we as Australians expected to have pride in our country? Does the ''Buy Australia' message mean anything?

 

[Weaver]

Only one policy of the Nazis was intolerable..and that was the ''Jewish Solution''

Now that statement is going to be a very tough sell.

 

[Qsaint]

Now that statement is going to be a very tough sell.

There was also the homsexual, trade union, slav, french resistance, communist etc etc solution.

There is a peceived problem which are multiple and complex and one solution fitted them all............... sounds a bit like GWB doesn't it?

 

[Bombers 2003]

I dont take too much stock in that anymore.....the times dictated that those in that geographic area did what they did to survive...

Whether he joined voluntarily or not wont either.. Half the policies today make the Nazi party look like lambs

Only one policy of the Nazis was intolerable..and that was the ''Jewish Solution''

Germany was lifted after the aftermath of WW1 to having national pride again. Arent we as Australians expected to have pride in our country? Does the ''Buy Australia' message mean anything?

'National Pride' huh?.Invading other countries,crushing democratic opposistion,imprisoning opponents,reducing the population to slavery etc,So that's what 'National Pride'Is?.
God,ls DONT let Medusala see this.

 

[- PC -]

'National Pride' huh?.Invading other countries,crushing democratic opposistion,imprisoning opponents,reducing the population to slavery etc,So that's what 'National Pride'Is?.
God,ls DONT let Medusala see this.

Dont you have national pride? Do you feel as if your in a prison?

I dont agree with what we do but i still am proud of been australian for a lot of other reasons than those you mentioned

 

[dan warna]

Now that statement is going to be a very tough sell.

he's got a point in general

other nations have had oppressive secret services

other nations have invaded other nations to control territory (brits, americans, french, dutch etc)

but the attempt to anhilate the jews and later the romanies would have to be a singularly individual event of disgracefulness.

sure the brits whacked africans, central americans, indians, chinese, the dutch, french etc did much the same, the italians in east africa were horrendous.

I think coming to mind is stalins responsibility for 6 million deaths, americans killing 2 million vietnamese for ideology Pol Pots death toll comes up to about at least a million.

there was also the korean war, the ww1, ww2, the boer war where britain committed what would have to be considered war crimes by modern ethics, and the boers were a bunch of racist murdering prats, the Jewish treatment of palastinians have some hallmarks, but none compare with a singular attempt to wipe out a race as hitlers attack on the Jews.

 

[Weaver]

he's got a point in general.

I think the Nazi superman, racial-purity, idealised society approach lead to many near criminal policies not just the Final Solution. The coup to overthrow the government, the subjucation of church to state, the book burning and exiling of 'degenerate' art, the oppression of minorities of all types, the Lebensraum policy to colonise Europe all come to mind.

other nations have had oppressive secret services

other nations have invaded other nations to control territory (brits, americans, french, dutch etc)

but the attempt to anhilate the jews and later the romanies would have to be a singularly individual event of disgracefulness.

Stalin's efforts in the Ukraine and Ottoman (and later Turkish efforts) in Turkey also come to mind. I have also been reading of late of the US policies in relation to the Native Americans, it might not have quite been attempted genocide but it wears the same aftershave.

sure the brits whacked africans, central americans, indians, chinese, the dutch, french etc did much the same, the italians in east africa were horrendous.

Not disputing that there are other guilty nations and regimes, just that "only one Nazi policy was intolerabe".

 

[- PC -]

Not disputing that there are other guilty nations and regimes, just that "only one Nazi policy was intolerabe".

As we travel through history we witness many acts which we abhor and some we applaud only to later turn our backs on. As Dan pointed out ( with thanks Dan) every country can lay claim to some things which they arent proud of. But really the attempted genocide of one race was spectacularly abhorric.

All the other policies have been adopted in some form by other countries.
I think the Nazi superman, racial-purity, idealised society approach lead to many near criminal policies not just the Final Solution. The coup to overthrow the government, the subjucation of church to state, the book burning and exiling of 'degenerate' art, the oppression of minorities of all types, the Lebensraum policy to colonise Europe all come to mind.

Eugenics has been practiced in many countries..

http://www3.roanoke.com/columnists/shareef/3350.html

Mary Bishop is a Roanoke Times reporter currently writing a book on the eugenics -- the forced sterilization of those the state deems genetically inferior - -movement in the United States. Much of her focus will be on Virginia's eugenics policy. The Commonwealth sterilized over 8,000 people between 1924 and 1974, when the law was finally repealed. In an article written several years ago, Bishop summarizes the state's eugenics policy

And Sweden our favourite country at the moment

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/mar1999/euge-19m.shtml

For over 40 years, young socially marginalised working class women in Sweden faced the danger of forced sterilisation. This was carried out under laws intended to purify the Swedish race, prevent the mentally ill from reproducing and stamp out social activities classed as deviant. The last sterilisation took place in 1975

Governments continue to be overthrown, the subjugation of churches continue and I am sure America every now and then has Book burning rituals.

And if you dont think Lebensraum is silently been practiced then you need to look at our Free Trade agreement

 

[Bombers 2003]

Dont you have national pride? Do you feel as if your in a prison?

I dont agree with what we do but i still am proud of been australian for a lot of other reasons than those you mentioned

I'm talking about nazi Germany,not Australia.

 

[Weaver]

As we travel through history we witness many acts which we abhor and some we applaud only to later turn our backs on. As Dan pointed out ( with thanks Dan) every country can lay claim to some things which they arent proud of. But really the attempted genocide of one race was spectacularly abhorric.

Of course there have been many deplorable regimes and all the crimes of the Nazis have been done before and since, that doesn't justify saying that it was only the Final Solution that was intolerable.

 

[CharlieG]

Why is this thread reminding me remarkably of the "Spanish racism" thread?

Could it be that someone is trying to defend reprehensible conduct by saying "look, they do it too"??

What's your defence for the Nazis forcing women out of anything but menial labour, because they were supposed to be at home having eight kids?

 

[- PC -]

Why is this thread reminding me remarkably of the "Spanish racism" thread?

Could it be that someone is trying to defend reprehensible conduct by saying "look, they do it too"??

What's your defence for the Nazis forcing women out of anything but menial labour, because they were supposed to be at home having eight kids?

Defend the white Australia policy?

Every argument I bring up you will bring another. Cant you accept that with all the policies that Nazi Germany had the Jewish Solution was the one they were condemmed for the most? Isnt that their watershed between been a warlike nation to been a genocidal one?

Sure ask me to defend every policy Germany had..I cant.. all I was saying was the Jewish Solution was the most intolerable.