MVP Priddis leading the Eagles BF

[Eagle87]

MVP votes are the topic not BF views

where does this leave you?

Well based on votes, he wasn't. Pretty simple really. So where does that leave your previous post?

Again, and I have asked you before, what have you EVER contributed to this board? I realise actual knowledge of our team and its players isn't required to post but that tends to make your posts a little pointless. No?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

MVP votes are the topic not BF views

where does this leave you?

Oohh Knowws!

 

[bodazoka]

I have $1,000 that says you are wrong. Your inability to understand his abject crapness, should cost you something ...

You in? Its only a K and u have all year to save.

You would have to give me 100 to 1 odds before I would take that bet!

Ill gather the loose change around the house, that should get it done.

 

[Rids]

Certainly was missed in the late season games, for example when we beat geelong in clearances and ran the ball through the middle of the ground in a way we hadn't done all season.

The inability of some on here to accept that he is a mediocre footballer continues to be staggering. I am still expecting Rids to come on here and give him votes in the games he didn't play ....

Wait, what have I got to do with this? Seriously what is your problem with me? I am sorry I have a different opinion to yours and I am sorry that I choose to back up my opinion with evidence in the form of stats ... I am sure it doesn't compete with an over-inflated sense of one's own thoughts like your good self.

You suffer from one of the most severe cases of confirmation bias I have ever seen (in fairness most people particularly internet posters do but yours is ridiculous). You seem to form a position (which in Priddis' case seems to have been formed back in junior days) and then only accept evidence that supports your theory whilst completely disregarding any evidence that goes against your theory. Just once try and allow for a changing opinion and take on board new evidence as it presents itself. If that comes up with a negative opinion on Priddis then so be it but at least have the decency and respect of other posters to avoid ridiculing them just because they dare to have an opinion that differs from yourself. By all means express your opinion but seriously why would you go down the 'internet bully' approach - that's a touch sad. You seem intelligent enough to not have to go down that line of attack.

For the record - 8 times I voted for Priddis this season (with 4 BOG's in that lot) - I reckon that stacks up pretty much on track with the actual B&F voting. You have me pegged as a Priddis lover because I don't mind arguing the point on him. I purely argue the point on him because he in my opinion he is unfairly maligned on this board. I am not under any illusions that he should be our number 1 midfielder ... in fact I think the only difference is that as our side develops I would ideally like him to be a number 3 or 4 mid (in, say, a 6 mid rotation) and you would like him out all together. In saying that if we happen to get 6 mids that are all better than Priddis then of course I would want him out of the side ... I think it is just that I rate him higher than you do that I would suggest that it would be unlikely we will get 6 better than him.

Anyway I am sure everyone is sick of us arguing the point so apologies all for the rant and I will try not to jump in every time on the great Priddis debate in the future

 

[Trouto]

I like Matt Priddis in the team. If we have a couple of outside receiving runners, we will be able to use Matt's talents. At the moment we don't have any so Matt is forced to fill that role, one he is not suited to.

I like him, i think he should be in the team. My opinion.

 

[Eagle87]

Wait, what have I got to do with this? Seriously what is your problem with me? I am sorry I have a different opinion to yours and I am sorry that I choose to back up my opinion with evidence in the form of stats ... I am sure it doesn't compete with an over-inflated sense of one's own thoughts like your good self.

You suffer from one of the most severe cases of confirmation bias I have ever seen (in fairness most people particularly internet posters do but yours is ridiculous). You seem to form a position (which in Priddis' case seems to have been formed back in junior days) and then only accept evidence that supports your theory whilst completely disregarding any evidence that goes against your theory. Just once try and allow for a changing opinion and take on board new evidence as it presents itself. If that comes up with a negative opinion on Priddis then so be it but at least have the decency and respect of other posters to avoid ridiculing them just because they dare to have an opinion that differs from yourself. By all means express your opinion but seriously why would you go down the 'internet bully' approach - that's a touch sad. You seem intelligent enough to not have to go down that line of attack.

For the record - 8 times I voted for Priddis this season (with 4 BOG's in that lot) - I reckon that stacks up pretty much on track with the actual B&F voting. You have me pegged as a Priddis lover because I don't mind arguing the point on him. I purely argue the point on him because he in my opinion he is unfairly maligned on this board. I am not under any illusions that he should be our number 1 midfielder ... in fact I think the only difference is that as our side develops I would ideally like him to be a number 3 or 4 mid (in, say, a 6 mid rotation) and you would like him out all together. In saying that if we happen to get 6 mids that are all better than Priddis then of course I would want him out of the side ... I think it is just that I rate him higher than you do that I would suggest that it would be unlikely we will get 6 better than him.

Anyway I am sure everyone is sick of us arguing the point so apologies all for the rant and I will try not to jump in every time on the great Priddis debate in the future

Genuinely funny post

Confirmation bias!! I pissed myself.

The reality is that I understand football and i am a decent judge of talent. I find myself, generally, disagreeing with lazy analysis that is essentially stats based i.e. yours. The fact that you kept stats on how often you voted for Priddis' as a defence against being a Priddis lover, simply proves my point. Read your posts, get a feel for what you say, you massively overrate him and you do it for the reasons that make him look judd-esque statistically speaking. He isnt very good. He has one position. He holds us back. But yes, he gets it a lot and he tackles stationary players very well.

But relax, you're dead if you let me get under your skin.

 

[Eagle87]

You would have to give me 100 to 1 odds before I would take that bet!

Ill gather the loose change around the house, that should get it done.

Perhaps edit the earlier post.... seemed unequivocal ...

 

[sTeeL]

Priddis is fantastic. Awesome top level player. Comfortably AA next year.

 

[bodazoka]

Perhaps edit the earlier post.... seemed unequivocal ...

You mean the post where I went fishing to stir you up?

 

[sydney eagle]

Unfortunately for Priddis missing the last three games of the season cost him the B&F, but LeCras also had a terrific year.

Hopefully he can have a bit more support in the middle next season.

Not having Kerr in the team for most of the year hurt. Priddis lacks the breakaway speed and great delivery to be the teams number one midfielder on a consistant basis. I think that what we need in the midfield to take advantage of players like Priddis and Kerr winning the ball is a speedy wingman with good foot skills. I have hopes that Shuey and Swift, if they can overcome their injuries, may be able to help in that regard, but we still need more players of that type.

 

[Eagle87]

Not having Kerr in the team for most of the year hurt. Priddis lacks the breakaway speed and great delivery to be the teams number one midfielder on a consistant basis. I think that what we need in the midfield to take advantage of players like Priddis and Kerr winning the ball is a speedy wingman with good foot skills. I have hopes that Shuey and Swift, if they can overcome their injuries, may be able to help in that regard, but we still need more players of that type.

For the 8 millionth time, Shuey & Swift are inside mids first and foremost. Playing them outside to assist in covering up Priddis' clear weakness' simply weakens us going forward.

Why is this so hard for folks to grasp ...

 

[Trouto]

Are you saying that Priddis is an outside mid? Swift and Shuey are no where near the talent Priddis has in the pack! His lock down and extract from a contest is nothing short of awesome!

I think people focus on his shortcomings rather than his talents. He isnt suited to being a ball carrier, he IS suited to having his face in the grass with 7 guys trying to squash him.

 

[Eagle87]

Are you saying that Priddis is an outside mid? Swift and Shuey are no where near the talent Priddis has in the pack! His lock down and extract from a contest is nothing short of awesome!

I think people focus on his shortcomings rather than his talents. He isnt suited to being a ball carrier, he IS suited to having his face in the grass with 7 guys trying to squash him.

I am saying Priddis is not an AFL standard starting midfielder. I have said so consistently. Priddis can get the ball. Thats it. No talent as a distributor - and Diesel, Scott West (later years) etc set the standard for slow extractors in that regards. If we were to surround Priddis with brilliant finishers, then he would need, at least, be capable of creative handball to release people into space. He has zero creativity at all, no vision. He just gets it and everything after that is WAFL level (at best).

What the **** do you mean by "his lock down ... is nothing short of awesome"???

He can't lock down an opponent. He can turtle players in very very tight, slow contests but once the ball releases 2 or 3 m from the contest he is a massive defensive liability.

Shuey and Swift have been better midfielders than Priddis through theirjunior years playing as essentially inside mids - guys who win their own ball. Unlike Priddis, they can also break away from a contest having won their own ball, deliver the ball to team mates and (particularly in Swifts case) demonstrate creativity in disposal and vision.

At AFL level, Shuey has looked a natural, Swift has been patchier for sure but still has a ceiling many levels above Priddis.

Priddis is a bog ordinary footballer who should be nowhere near the featured midfielder role (starting offensive mid) in any AFL team. He is at present and that is one of the reasons for our shitness.

But yes, he is awesomeness incarnate

 

[sTeeL]

For the 8 millionth time, Shuey & Swift are inside mids first and foremost. Playing them outside to assist in covering up Priddis' clear weakness' simply weakens us going forward.

Why is this so hard for folks to grasp ...

Except they are nowhere near Priddis level in extraction?

You would rather we had Priddis running down the wing while they *TRY* to extract.

 

[Eagle87]

Except they are nowhere near Priddis level in extraction?

You would rather we had Priddis running down the wing while they *TRY* to extract.

Is this the new line from the football illiterates on here?

Priddis is a one position player. Starting centre square as an offensive mid. He has no AFL level skill beyond getting first hands on the ball. The question is whether that 1 skill v all the deficiencies is enough to warrant a spot in a decent side. Certainly even Rids (who must be related) doesn't reckon he should be higher than 4th in our rotation.

The question is whether we get better value from, say a midfield where Kerr reverts to the "Priddis" role [the role Kerr had in the Judd, Cousins, Kerr, midfield (with spot duty for Stinger & Selwood as taggers)] and then we play other guys around him that can win their own ball AND hurt the other side as receivers. You know, the weird idea of 3 other mids with offensive ability?

Priddis can't hurt anyone. Thats his problem. If he was a lock down defensive mid, who could get his own ball that would be one thing, but those guys are usually link possession types as the lock down defensive mid is usually not focused on winning the first possession at stoppages. Priddis is playing the role usually reserved for the teams number 1 or 2 midfielder. Judd, Ablett, Selwood, Bartell (yes, Geelong have 3), Black, Hayes, whoever .... He isnt fit to clean the jockstraps of those players but is a better "extractor" statistically than most (all?) of them.

Watch games of footy and tell me when Priddis wins us a game, or turns a game or even significantly alters the flow of a game for 10 minutes ....

 

[Wirra for PM]

I used to be in the pro-priddis camp, but having watched him play in light of the discussion on here I've come round to the view that he shouldn't be in our starting 22. What the stats don't show is that the quality of his clearances are not great - while he gets his hands on the ball plenty, he doesn't feed it out in a creative or damaging way.

So in terms of extractors, I would have Kerr, Masten, Shuey, Swift when he's in form and probably Scooter ahead of Priddis. Then there's the whole other issue of Priddis' weakness around the ground. When you weigh it all up he just doesn't come out ahead IMO.

 

[ziad]

Except they are nowhere near Priddis level in extraction?

You would rather we had Priddis running down the wing while they *TRY* to extract.

Swift and masten are soft and slow. They have poor decision making and are very poor under pressure.

Priddis is no Cuz but he has Swift and Masten covered in every faset of the game to date. let them develop, they have miles to go, but they have not been in the class of Priddis to date.

I suspect some like to take out their frustrations on Priddis because he is human and the boy saviours have failed to date.

 

[Trouto]

Priddis is a one position player. Starting centre square as an offensive mid. He has no AFL level skill beyond getting first hands on the ball. The question is whether that 1 skill v all the deficiencies is enough to warrant a spot in a decent side. Certainly even Rids (who must be related) doesn't reckon he should be higher than 4th in our rotation.

7th in the entire AFL in tackles. I am guessing you don't need skill then to tackle? I think he is right up there in clearences too, not to mention 20th in disposals per game. Where did he come in our B&F? 2nd was it? Well i guess the club don't know talent now do they? You would know more right?

 

[placebo]

Priddis is a one position player. Starting centre square as an offensive mid. He has no AFL level skill beyond getting first hands on the ball. The question is whether that 1 skill v all the deficiencies is enough to warrant a spot in a decent side. Certainly even Rids (who must be related) doesn't reckon he should be higher than 4th in our rotation.

7th in the entire AFL in tackles. I am guessing you don't need skill then to tackle? I think he is right up there in clearences too, not to mention 20th in disposals per game. Where did he come in our B&F? 2nd was it? Well i guess the club don't know talent now do they? You would know more right?

This is old mantra again.
His tackling in close is fine, where he gets most of his tackles. However, in space he can't tackle and he becomes a liability when his opponent gets in to space.
His clearances are rarely creative and he rarely puts blokes in space, unlike Swift who constantly tries to create with his hands in close.
20th in disposals a game means nothing when you have little hurt factor.
His second place in the BnF shows where we are as a football club. Also, blokes who play the majority of the year and have as much game time as Priddis generally are going to poll votes.

 

[Eagle87]

7th in the entire AFL in tackles. I am guessing you don't need skill then to tackle? I think he is right up there in clearences too, not to mention 20th in disposals per game. Where did he come in our B&F? 2nd was it? Well i guess the club don't know talent now do they? You would know more right?

Learn how to use the quote function. It isn't hard.

Yes, yes, yes ... been argued to death before. I believe a couple of posts back I made reference to him being able to turtle in tight and in almost stationary contests with the best of them. As soon as it gets out into space he is a complete and utter liability defensively. He makes witches hats look like Cyril Rioli.

I certainly know more than you. That cannot possibly be in dispute.

 

[bigburger]

Matt Priddis is a gun. Great year from a great player and a great bloke. Wish we had two of him.

 

[placebo]

*shudders*

The thought of two Priddis' starting in the centre square is enough to make my testicles retract in to my stomach.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Priddis is a liability to our midfield structure and consequently how we set-up around the ground. Even if Swift, Shuey, Masten and Stevens aren't individually as good as Priddis at reading Cox's taps it doesn't mean they wont be, they are actually all elite level clearance players at junior levels and have far more weapons once the ball clears into space.

I struggle to see any rational justification for Priddis getting 90% game time playing the one role in the team week in and week out and I can't help but feel his and Woosha's careers will track a similar path over the next 18 months.

 

[Reminiscence]

At least we drafted a gun inside-mid in Stevens. Will be a rich man's Priddis with a very strong inside game, strong outside game and great tackling pressure.

 

[placebo]

At least we drafted a gun inside-mid in Stevens. Will be a rich man's Priddis with a very strong inside game, strong outside game and great tackling pressure.

I have high hopes Koby will be a fantastic inside player. His attack on the ball is incredible, his tackling is great (both close in and in space) and he has a great presence about him round the stoppages. I see a bit of Lenny Hayes in Koby actually, in the way they go about things.

The other good thing about him is he has other strings to his bow. He is good above his head and can actually play the half forward role quite well, if he needs to rest, as he's shown for East Freo most of the season.
Just hope he gets a lot of game time next year.