The Law PSO's - what the hell?

[Geelong_Sicko]

...during the privitisation of the public transport system, the new operators signed contracts with the government where fare evasion loss of income would be gauranteed by the government; the state would reimburse the private company. Is this why fare evasion has cost the government $80 million? Because the state has otherwise subsidised a private companies losses?

If this is the case, there is absolutely no incentive for yarra trams and metlink to do any sensible action to genuinely stop fare evading...

Pretty sure the infringement $$ goes to the state with a portion paid to operator for 'administrative' costs.

There's something really dank and smelly about all this, come to think of it.

On a related matter, although I haven't seen them do it since the advent of the Myki system, I seem to remember Victoria Police had the authority to board trains and check tickets, issuing fines wherever they deemed necessary.

That's government workers with salaries paid for by the taxpayer aiding in revenue collecting for a private corporation (Connex back in the day)!

 

[Snake_Baker]

I admit I don't catch PT all that often but knowing in advance I was going to have a few lagers anyway, playing it safe and getting PT home. Just seen a taxi driver issued a fine outside of Flinders ST issued a fine for pulling up, with engine idling waiting to get in the popular taxi queue outside of Flinders St, as far as I'm aware from your bullshit PR promos that ain't your ******* job!!

I actually approached the cabbie and asked what it was all about and was then approached by two PSO's telling me to leave it alone.

I didn't mind this initiative (though guns are overkill) but in honesty, just another fee collecting, overpowered assholes.

**** you VIC Libs, complete abuse of power!? Poor bloke was just trying to do a shitty job with
Bugger all protection and you deal him this, disgraceful.

Someone has to pay for you to be policed and that someone is you.

Remember to vote.

 

[bombermick]

They don't fine you in my experience, but they once asked for my details when I inadvertently let my Myki balance go so low I couldn't scan off. What happened to my details I don't know, which is a little worrying. Not a huge deal as I don't have anything to hide, but why collect details for no reason?

 

[MaddAdam]

Rent a cop scum.

 

[PottSie2]

Making the trains safer especially at night. Hope they get their recruitment numbers so more lines can have them.

 

[PottSie2]

They don't fine you in my experience, but they once asked for my details when I inadvertently let my Myki balance go so low I couldn't scan off. What happened to my details I don't know, which is a little worrying. Not a huge deal as I don't have anything to hide, but why collect details for no reason?

You couldnt scan off ? How. As long as you have a positive balance you can scan on, and scanning off will just debit your account (it will allow you to have a negative balance).

Your details are on any number of systems. I wouldn't be worried.

 

[Chief]

I admit I don't catch PT all that often but knowing in advance I was going to have a few lagers anyway, playing it safe and getting PT home. Just seen a taxi driver issued a fine outside of Flinders ST issued a fine for pulling up, with engine idling waiting to get in the popular taxi queue outside of Flinders St, as far as I'm aware from your bullshit PR promos that ain't your ******* job!!

I was pretty amazed last time I was in Melbourne.

Cops on every other street corner, chasing people across roads to give them fines for crossing against lights to catch trams.

Soon as night fell the cops all disappeared.

 

[PottSie2]

I was pretty amazed last time I was in Melbourne.

Cops on every other street corner, chasing people across roads to give them fines for crossing against lights to catch trams.

Soon as night fell the cops all disappeared.

Why do these types of thread get filled with over exaggerated bulltish ?

Work in Melbourne everyday for the last 13 years and can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop issue a J-Walking fine.

No point having cops on every corner at night, just be smart and target the hotspots.

 

[skilts]

I was pretty amazed last time I was in Melbourne.

Cops on every other street corner, chasing people across roads to give them fines for crossing against lights to catch trams.

Soon as night fell the cops all disappeared.

It's based on a statistical analysis done by police that if you detain enough people for jaywalking, you'll eventually snare an armed robber or burglar into the bargain. Your texas at work.

 

[Chief]

Why do these types of thread get filled with over exaggerated bulltish ?

Work in Melbourne everyday for the last 13 years and can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop issue a J-Walking fine.

I saw it twice in 3 days.

 

[shurg123]

Will be a happy day when one of these power-tripping rent-a-cops messes with the wrong person and gets shot by their own gun. Their harassment of innocent bystanders is sickening.

 

[LouisCK]

I'd be interested to find out whether "privatising" the public transport system has actually cost us more than if we, the people, still owned it. Some kind of calculation looking at increased costs, government spending, subsidised losses etc. Anyone got any idea where we could find that info out?

Note: I put "privatising" in quotation marks because we've really only privatised the profits, the losses still seem heavily paid for by the people.

 

[LouisCK]

Will be a happy day when one of these power-tripping rent-a-cops messes with the wrong person and gets shot by their own gun. Their harassment of innocent bystanders is sickening.

Anyone getting shot isn't a good outcome. But we don't need guns in Australia, especially in this situation. They roll 4 deep at minimum, so there's few situations a run of the mill security guard couldn't handle without a firearm.

Actually I think one of them already got shot outside the state parliament building didn't they? Or belted with a hammer or something?

Anyway, its amazing how much of a transformation Victoria went under throughout Baillieu's leadership.

Bongs banned. Rottweiler's set upon innocent protesters. Security guards with guns everywhere. A dramatic increase in police numbers (and yet a rise in the crime rate).

not a good legacy. not that he'd care.

 

[Helicopter Punt]

I'd be interested to find out whether "privatising" the public transport system has actually cost us more than if we, the people, still owned it. Some kind of calculation looking at increased costs, government spending, subsidised losses etc. Anyone got any idea where we could find that info out?

Note: I put "privatising" in quotation marks because we've really only privatised the profits, the losses still seem heavily paid for by the people.

Besides the fact that when a service is piratised the duty to the public is replaced by a duty to shareholders, there is a corporate profit requirement - extra to provision of service costs - which didn't previously exist.

 

[radiojake]

Making the trains safer especially at night. Hope they get their recruitment numbers so more lines can have them.

You're a bit of a joke - The PSOs spend most of their time harrassing non-whites and the lower class - I'm sure the kid who lost his hand after they chased him under a train at North Melbourne Station back in 2011 felt a whole lot safer with their presence -

Rent-a-thugs with a 6 week course to carry a gun - It's a disaster waiting to happen.

When that disaster does happen, it'll be on the heads of people like you are who complicit and actually welcoming of the draconian ticket scabs

 

[Messenger]

They don't fine you in my experience, but they once asked for my details when I inadvertently let my Myki balance go so low I couldn't scan off. What happened to my details I don't know, which is a little worrying. Not a huge deal as I don't have anything to hide, but why collect details for no reason?

Just a tip: It's not an offense to not touch off in the Myki system. PSO's don't actually have any role in ticketing. That's the transit police.

 

[PottSie2]

Just a tip: It's not an offense to not touch off in the Myki system. PSO's don't actually have any role in ticketing. That's the transit police.

His story doesn't add up in the first place. Myki allows you to touch off even if it will put your balance into negative. As long as you have a positive balance (any amount) it will let you touch on.

And then magically, the PSOs just happened to be manning the gate that shouldn't, but did prevent him from touching off.

I smell something.

 

[PottSie2]

You're a bit of a joke - The PSOs spend most of their time harrassing non-whites and the lower class - I'm sure the kid who lost his hand after they chased him under a train at North Melbourne Station back in 2011 felt a whole lot safer with their presence -

Rent-a-thugs with a 6 week course to carry a gun - It's a disaster waiting to happen.

When that disaster does happen, it'll be on the heads of people like you are who complicit and actually welcoming of the draconian ticket scabs

LOL. Great generalisations and falsifications. This thread was started on one, and seems to be general form in here.

So this Kid who just really happened to be 30-years old, who stupidly tried to re-board a moving train and had his arm severed is somehow everyone's fault but his own.

The man alighted from an Upfield-bound train at North Melbourne when he saw police walking towards him at about 6.20pm.
He tried to re-board the moving train but fell on the tracks, with the train severing part of his arm.

Read more:http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/man-hit-by-train-in-north-melbourne/story-e6frfkp9-1226226158107#ixzz2T774Mcfa

PS. When disaster happens, it will be on people like you who make it okay for the dregs of society to be classed as victims.

 

[PottSie2]

I was pretty amazed last time I was in Melbourne.

Cops on every other street corner, chasing people across roads to give them fines for crossing against lights to catch trams.

Soon as night fell the cops all disappeared.

I saw it twice in 3 days.

Quite some hyperbole there.

Twice in 3 days. Probably part of a sting. The disruption to traffic by idiots who cant wait for the little green man or a few minutes for the next tram is quite considerable. The danger they pose to themselves, cyclists, cars as well means the police have to take action sometimes, and so they should. You'd have to be quite a dimwit to J-Walk in the presence of cops anyway.

 

[Chief]

Quite some hyperbole there.

There were police on every other street corner. They stand out in those safety vests.

There were police chasing people across the streets to give out fines. Both times there was no traffic... which is obviously why those people felt safe to cross.

The police disappeared after dark.

Not sure what you have an issue with.

Are you a policeman? Any in the family?

 

[Chief]

PS. When disaster happens, it will be on people like you who make it okay for the dregs of society to be classed as victims.

Who in that story is "the dregs"?

 

[Snake_Baker]

The chief has got his bandanna on today.

 

[PottSie2]

There were police on every other street corner. They stand out in those safety vests.

There were police chasing people across the streets to give out fines. Both times there was no traffic... which is obviously why those people felt safe to cross.

The police disappeared after dark.

Not sure what you have an issue with.

Are you a policeman? Any in the family?

No. Just trying to reduce the hyperbole regarding PSO's and Police in this thread. From the initial OP where it seems the cabbie should have been fined, to the "story" about the PSO taking someones details because their Myki balance got so low which doesn't ring true, to the cops chasing a 30-year old kid under a train to yours.

Like I said, sounds like a sting operation, which happens from time to time or training of new recruits. Either way, if they were visibly present, you'd have to be an idiot to J-Walk in the first place. For every one that crosses when there is no traffic, there'd be 10 more that think they can do it in between cars, or while the man is flashing red, or persistent red.

 

[PottSie2]

Who in that story is "the dregs"?

People in general who perpetrate crime, but cry victim.

Tell me, if police officer were approaching you, would you attempt get on board a train already departing ?

No, neither would I. Wonder why this guy did ?

Do you know many people who just run from the cops when they've done nothing wrong ? No, neither do I.

 

[Chief]

People in general who perpetrate crime, but cry victim.

Tell me, if police officer were approaching you, would you attempt get on board a train already departing ?

No, neither would I. Wonder why this guy did ?

Perhaps he is so poor he can't afford a fine?

Perhaps he is a refugee whose usual experience of the police is incredibly unpleasant?

Whatever the case, there are more stories in the world than "he's the dregs of society".