QAFL 2022

[2010premier]

GC clubs supporters here are the loudest defending suspicious practices.. wonder why...?
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Are you accusing GC clubs of cheating is that it?

Could it be possible that there is an bit of advantage that Victorians are attracted to the ocean and that maybe just maybe clubs that win work hard, have stable leadership and good culture, are well coached and get a bit of luck along the way?

The points system is impossible to cheat for one thing, and many clubs including mine simply can’t afford the salary cap .

 

[Thommo 42]

Rule 4 i of the points system explains that players returning from a higher level of football return as what they left. Doesn’t have to be AFL and rule 6 clearly states that it doesn’t have to be consecutive seasons to get the discount .

I’m no Redland supporter but that’s the rules

I'm pretty sure seasons need to be consecutive to get the discount, but the bit about leaving to play a higher level is correct. You come back as what you left.

 

[Tiger2000]

Are you accusing GC clubs of cheating is that it?

Could it be possible that there is an bit of advantage that Victorians are attracted to the ocean and that maybe just maybe clubs that win work hard, have stable leadership and good culture, are well coached and get a bit of luck along the way?

The points system is impossible to cheat for one thing, and many clubs including mine simply can’t afford the salary cap .

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is included in the salary cap? Obviously match payments, but what about in-kind stuff? For example, if a Victorian recruit was offered free or heavily subsidised accommodation at the Gold Coast for the duration of the season and a couple of return flights home, would the value of those extras be counted?

 

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.....if a Victorian recruit was offered free or heavily subsidised accommodation at the Gold Coast for the duration of the season and a couple of return flights home, would the value of those extras be counted?

Are you accusing GC clubs of cheating is that it?

Could it be possible that there is an bit of advantage that Victorians are attracted to the ocean and that maybe just maybe clubs that win work hard, have stable leadership and good culture, are well coached and get a bit of luck along the way?

The points system is impossible to cheat for one thing, and many clubs including mine simply can’t afford the salary cap .

Tiger2000 exposed a good question. I doubt anyone at the QAFL is interested in it.

There has to be a reason only 1 Brisbane club is in the top 7. (Unless you consider Redlands in Brisbane) All GC clubs bar 1 are in the top 6. A look at the lists explains why. The 1 Brisbane club, Aspley, has a list even the GC sides would even be embarrassed by. As ive said back a page or two, ive got no problem with a stronger comp, or loosening the points or salary cap;

*Do we want ex-AFL players, VFL players in our comp? Do we want to attract players from interstate? If the answer is yes, then we should make it easier for clubs to recruit them, not harder.
*Is there a concession for clubs to have one or two 'marquis' players to whom no points or cap is allocated? If not, why not? I mean... why not?
*Local late developers can develop in reserve grade after all..
*How can we grow a stronger comp if we protect the less competitive (poorer) clubs? That will just penalise the stronger clubs and promote mediocrity. Better to give the established clubs that are struggling on the field concessions for recruitment and make them stronger?
*I agree there MAY be too many clubs. But which ones go? Why not give concessions on local (points) and interstate recruitment ($$) to them and allow them to get stronger? A job and accommodation may be all many good players from interstate require? Not wads of cash.

But in actual fact 2010premier: I really just like popcorn..
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[2010premier]

Tiger2000 exposed a good question. I doubt anyone at the QAFL is interested in it.

There has to be a reason only 1 Brisbane club is in the top 7. (Unless you consider Redlands in Brisbane) All GC clubs bar 1 are in the top 6. A look at the lists explains why. The 1 Brisbane club, Aspley, has a list even the GC sides would even be embarrassed by. As ive said back a page or two, ive got no problem with a stronger comp, or loosening the points or salary cap;

*Do we want ex-AFL players, VFL players in our comp? Do we want to attract players from interstate? If the answer is yes, then we should make it easier for clubs to recruit them, not harder.
*Is there a concession for clubs to have one or two 'marquis' players to whom no points or cap is allocated? If not, why not? I mean... why not?
*Local late developers can develop in reserve grade after all..
*How can we grow a stronger comp if we protect the less competitive (poorer) clubs? That will just penalise the stronger clubs and promote mediocrity. Better to give the established clubs that are struggling on the field concessions for recruitment and make them stronger?
*I agree there MAY be too many clubs. But which ones go? Why not give concessions on local (points) and interstate recruitment ($$) to them and allow them to get stronger? A job and accommodation may be all many good players from interstate require? Not wads of cash.

But in actual fact 2010premier: I really just like popcorn..
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I consider Redland part of Brisbane but I take your point about GC clubs on the whole doing better than Brisbane.

The main reason I see is that footballers from down south are way more likely to move to Broadbeach or Noosa rather than Sherwood or Mt Gravatt.

How to fix that I dunno, but agree it’d be better to try in some way to assist the struggling teams rather than for example reducing the points significantly to try even it up

 

[Still Me]

Tiger2000 exposed a good question. I doubt anyone at the QAFL is interested in it.

There has to be a reason only 1 Brisbane club is in the top 7. (Unless you consider Redlands in Brisbane) All GC clubs bar 1 are in the top 6. A look at the lists explains why. The 1 Brisbane club, Aspley, has a list even the GC sides would even be embarrassed by. As ive said back a page or two, ive got no problem with a stronger comp, or loosening the points or salary cap;

*Do we want ex-AFL players, VFL players in our comp? Do we want to attract players from interstate? If the answer is yes, then we should make it easier for clubs to recruit them, not harder.
*Is there a concession for clubs to have one or two 'marquis' players to whom no points or cap is allocated? If not, why not? I mean... why not?
*Local late developers can develop in reserve grade after all..
*How can we grow a stronger comp if we protect the less competitive (poorer) clubs? That will just penalise the stronger clubs and promote mediocrity. Better to give the established clubs that are struggling on the field concessions for recruitment and make them stronger?
*I agree there MAY be too many clubs. But which ones go? Why not give concessions on local (points) and interstate recruitment ($$) to them and allow them to get stronger? A job and accommodation may be all many good players from interstate require? Not wads of cash.

But in actual fact 2010premier: I really just like popcorn..
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I think everyone wants a better competition and more quality players being ex AFL or from strong southern competitions.

But really the exposure this competition gets is embarrassing if that’s what we are trying to achieve.

Yes we have every game filmed and stats obtained from that which is great. But when you see more advertisements around Pride round than any other part of the competition we have major issues.

Totally understand that League staffing is an issue and amount of people still working from home causes massive complications to get the coverage right.

But it is miles behind Northern League, EDFL , Ammo’s etc in Melbourne.

When people have trouble just finding results you have problems.

Think before we keep putting pressure on clubs to make competition more elite and obey by mirrored of rules we need to get competition structure and information right first and foremost.

 

[Judge]

I consider Redland part of Brisbane but I take your point about GC clubs on the whole doing better than Brisbane.

The main reason I see is that footballers from down south are way more likely to move to Broadbeach or Noosa rather than Sherwood or Mt Gravatt.

How to fix that I dunno, but agree it’d be better to try in some way to assist the struggling teams rather than for example reducing the points significantly to try even it up

You've nailed the main problem for Brisbane-based clubs in terms of interstate recruitment, namely the inability to offer a beach lifestyle, and climate change aside that's not changing anytime soon.

However, addressing the inequity caused by this situation, coupled with the ground maintenance advantage of the coastal clubs which is well documented, is much harder, and it remains to be seen how interested AFLQ is in tackling the issue anyway.

For example, Grange would love to be given additional salary cap room and a points cap advantage over the coastal clubs (Surfers being unlucky to be tarred with this brush), because we could afford to bring in the extra players and use the extra points, but I'm not sure that these measures would help a club like Mt Gravatt right now who don't need the points and probably don't have the money.

The current points system is unbalanced, and hopefully the AFLQ review achieves at least some useful changes here, but at the moment Mt Gravatt, Sherwood and Morningside are only using around 30 points each week so extra points is not a pressing need nor would it be a panacea for them.

In reality, having extra money and the ability to use it is probably the first and most important step towards improving a player list, but it would seem fanciful to think that AFLQ is ever going to be distributing extra funds to clubs on "equalisation" grounds (in contrast to what the AFL has done for clubs like the Suns) so clubs will have to continue to fend for themselves financially.

Further, the Aspley and Redland lists are going to be progressively weakened over the next couple of years, bringing them back to the field. As a consequence, unless something radical happens I think we're going to be stuck with with a comp dominated by the coastal clubs for at least the foreseeable future and some clubs will probably become collateral damage along the way.

 

[smy1305]

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is included in the salary cap? Obviously match payments, but what about in-kind stuff? For example, if a Victorian recruit was offered free or heavily subsidised accommodation at the Gold Coast for the duration of the season and a couple of return flights home, would the value of those extras be counted?

Supposed to be

 

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*In reality, having extra money and the ability to use it is probably the first and most important step towards improving a player list, ...

*Further, the Aspley and Redland lists are going to be progressively weakened over the next couple of years, ....

...But both have the extra money, and will use it to improve their player list. They both just came from the high cost VFL.. $$$ really are the answer, not div1 juniors.

Juniors arent the remedy that people think they are. Grange has a great group of juniors. Have been strong for a few years. But it hasnt made a big difference. No knock on those boys in the least.

Take Labrador. Back in 2017 the entire strong group of Southport u12 (or u14s) left and went to Labrador. Perhaps a dozen of them were in the strong Suns academy. That took that Labrador age group from div2 to div1 in the (then) exclusively GC comp. Those boys are now either playing seniors or finishing colts. This years Labrador u16s are back in div2... So, do you think we will see Labrador come back to the pack as a result of their juniors going back to div2? Unlikely. They have been competitive historically with their Juniors mostly in div2, and will be again.
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[smy1305]

Increasing salary caps has never been a solution to any football clubs issues. Means absolutely nothing if the money isn't spent right in any case. Simply means a lot of the time that a lot of players are paid "overs' to either retain or to gain. SP showed it can be done with the right formulae of players / coach / luck. Premier has said that Broadbeach doesn't have a pot of gold but rely heavily on junior system. Points relaxations might help but both Grange and Noosa have been allowed this in recent years and neither has shot to the top of the ladder because of.
For Grange to get salary cap relief might be seen as silly if they don't recruit the right players. Often coaches attract players in any case. Think we are jumping at shadows a bit and possibly under appreciating that seasons 2020 and '21 weren't exactly "normal" seasons.
Yes the coastal sides have a lifestyle advantage but the Bris clubs have a football population advantage.

 

[smy1305]

...But both have the extra money, and will use it to improve their player list. They both just came from the high cost VFL.. $$$ really are the answer, not div1 juniors.

Juniors arent the remedy that people think they are. Grange has a great group of juniors. Have been strong for a few years. But it hasnt made a big difference. No knock on those boys in the least.

Take Labrador. Back in 2017 the entire strong group of Southport u12 (or u14s) left and went to Labrador. Perhaps a dozen of them were in the strong Suns academy. That took that Labrador age group from div2 to div1 in the (then) exclusively GC comp. Those boys are now either playing seniors or finishing colts. This years Labrador u16s are back in div2... So, do you think we will see Labrador come back to the pack as a result of their juniors going back to div2? Unlikely. They have been competitive historically with their Juniors mostly in div2, and will be again.
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Disagree - juniors are definitely the answer. Its a case of being able to keep them and not have them leave en masse like you have just said. Southport possibly an outlier tbf.

 

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Disagree - juniors are definitely the answer. Its a case of being able to keep them and not have them leave en masse like you have just said. Southport possibly an outlier tbf.

Of course, as with most enterprises, its the brains, and ability to use ones resources well that create success or failure. $$$ and Juniors are just part of those resources.

As ive said previously, a lot of interstate players would be willing to come to QLD to play some footy, for little other than a job and aid in finding some accommodation. Putting in some real effort (and it would take some) into finding and approaching these players who are not on any managerial list, is probably the most overlooked part of recruitment IMO. These players are out there. A method of finding them would take some investigation, but probably prove worth it. While having beaches close is an advantage for the Coast clubs, City clubs just have to get more creative.

For example; If a club was to put together an well constructed Youtube video that promotes its club, lifestyle, and some info of how the club may help prospective players, using it as a generic marketing tool and placing it all round the different social media sites where your target audience (WA, VIC, SA, NT) may find it, is just one way to find young blokes looking for a footy adventure. Youve just got to get the idea in their head and back it up with an offer of help.
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[Miller1971]

Tiger2000 exposed a good question. I doubt anyone at the QAFL is interested in it.

There has to be a reason only 1 Brisbane club is in the top 7. (Unless you consider Redlands in Brisbane) All GC clubs bar 1 are in the top 6.
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There are three key reasons:

1. Coastal lifestyle attracts southern recruits
2. Financial benefit of not maintaining their playing surface (Redland also enjoy this benefit)
3. Quality of Suns Academy in terms of player development and their graduates staying in QAFL footy.

Lastly, there is stability on the GC. We have had 8 seasons of the reformed QAFL and the same GC clubs have stayed in it, with Southport the level above. In those 8 seasons in Brisbane, we've seen 2 x clubs drop down to Div 1 (UQ) or Div 2 (Sandgate) and seen 2 come down from NEAFL stacked full of the junior talent from the other Brisbane clubs. While the Suns academy tops up their VFL side, the GC QAFL clubs also have access to 15 VFL standard players for almost no recruitment effort and 1 pointers with the excess Sharks players - meanwhile in Brisbane, the best 20-22 year olds are taken on a weekly basis by the Lions VFL team. So Brisbane clubs are losing their top talent to the Lions VFL as top ups, the GC clubs are gaining VFL players from the Sharks...

In reality, having extra money and the ability to use it is probably the first and most important step towards improving a player list, but it would seem fanciful to think that AFLQ is ever going to be distributing extra funds to clubs on "equalisation" grounds (in contrast to what the AFL has done for clubs like the Suns) so clubs will have to continue to fend for themselves financially.

Further, the Aspley and Redland lists are going to be progressively weakened over the next couple of years, bringing them back to the field. As a consequence, unless something radical happens I think we're going to be stuck with with a comp dominated by the coastal clubs for at least the foreseeable future and some clubs will probably become collateral damage along the way.

A 10 team comp makes more sense. Aspley in the North, Sherwood in the West, Morningside in the south and Redland in the East. Then 4 x GC and 2 x SC. A quality sustainable competition.

Agree though, the 2 x NEAFL lists will progressively even out with the rest of Brisbane as they won't have the pick of the 18 year old talent pool from those clubs.

As ive said previously, a lot of interstate players would be willing to come to QLD to play some footy, for little other than a job and aid in finding some accommodation. Putting in some real effort (and it would take some) into finding and approaching these players who are not on any managerial list, is probably the most overlooked part of recruitment IMO. These players are out there. A method of finding them would take some investigation, but probably prove worth it. While having beaches close is an advantage for the Coast clubs, City clubs just have to get more creative.

For example; If a club was to put together an well constructed Youtube video that promotes its club, lifestyle, and some info of how the club may help prospective players, using it as a generic marketing tool and placing it all round the different social media sites where your target audience (WA, VIC, SA, NT) may find it, is just one way to find young blokes looking for a footy adventure. Youve just got to get the idea in their head and back it up with an offer of help.
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Everyone is looking at things from a different perspective.

Some might say make the comp as strong as possible and fill it with blokes from WA, Vic and SA. I know a few club people, coaches/presidents who would be fine with that. Others want the competition to improve organically through better junior development, make the competition stronger with local blokes playing a higher standard of footy. Get it to a level where if a VFL reserves guy rocks up, he is actually fighting for his spot, not a walk up start.

It's a fine balance, but I lean towards the health of AFL in QLD and would rather see a strong Aspley side filled with kids from Sandgate, Pine Rivers, Aspley and Narangbah instead of being filled with blokes from Tassie. Just as I would rather see a strong Morningside filled with players from Morningside, Coorparoo, Wynnum, Carindale and so on.

Different strokes for different folks, but having 12 cashed up clubs using all their funds to recruit insterstate players is not a good model for QLD footy, nor is it sustainable. Clubs with a bit of coin should be re-investing it into their junior and youth programs, upskilling their coaches etc.

 

[smy1305]

I think the Suns academy certainly has an easier gig than the Lions academy - the Lions basically take from 4 areas - DD, SC, Wide bay and obviously Brisbane - makes it really tough logistically.
Suns nearly have the luxury of distance - a kid in NQ is not moving south to the GC unless they have been worded up that they are definitely "in the mix" and then they arrive boots and all, change schools, etc. A kid from Bundaberg is still 3.5hrs away from Bris and the distance factor isn't quite far enough to pack up the car nor is it short enough to not be a significant factor in the motivation of the player to not be impacted. DD is not as bad nor is SC but it is still a 3hr round trip minimum to Yeronga and requires a massive buy in from player and parent alike. Bottom line some players are basically stuffed by the time they turn 18!! have driven enormous km to realise dream and when it doesn't eventuate throw it in. GC boys find it much easier to stay connected with club and tbh the SC boys who do are actually the more successful ones I have found. But it is hard.
The solution of not asking players to head to Bris as often is okay but it also means the actual group doesn't play / connect with each other as well as GC teams seem to do. Much of the GC academy squad is confined to PBC SHS so it reinforces the connection.

 

[smy1305]

I remember sitting in a selection meeting for a SQ side and the conversation was around giving some of the Northern Rivers guys some respite for coming to training as it was a long way from Byron Bay. I said hang on a sec its not that much further than Noosa is from Yeronga so are we going to afford those guys the same? I think BG might have done a quick map search and came bk with "actually its only 10km difference" - it's often undersold how much travel is required for those not in Bris to play footy at the highest level hence we really celebrate the kids that do get there (and their folks... )

 

[Miller1971]

I think the Suns academy certainly has an easier gig than the Lions academy - the Lions basically take from 4 areas - DD, SC, Wide bay and obviously Brisbane - makes it really tough logistically.
Suns nearly have the luxury of distance - a kid in NQ is not moving south to the GC unless they have been worded up that they are definitely "in the mix" and then they arrive boots and all, change schools, etc. A kid from Bundaberg is still 3.5hrs away from Bris and the distance factor isn't quite far enough to pack up the car nor is it short enough to not be a significant factor in the motivation of the player to not be impacted. DD is not as bad nor is SC but it is still a 3hr round trip minimum to Yeronga and requires a massive buy in from player and parent alike. Bottom line some players are basically stuffed by the time they turn 18!! have driven enormous km to realise dream and when it doesn't eventuate throw it in. GC boys find it much easier to stay connected with club and tbh the SC boys who do are actually the more successful ones I have found. But it is hard.

of course they do. They have a close concentration of talent, they all train at an elite facility together weekly. their intake isn't as big and many of them play club and school football together in groups of 5-10 players.

Those from NQ that move, 100% committ and move down, change schools etc as you say.

I've long been a critic of Lions academy, but their job is definitely a bit harder.

 

[Double finger point]

Will the QAFL review be released BEFORE the season ends? Dropping a club from the finals BEFORE the season ends, has to be more of a punishment than $$ to wealthy clubs... If it is released AFTER the season ends... then, whats the point?
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If it was done right instead of the dodgy play HQ system, team sheets shouldn't be able to be submitted untill the maximum points limit is met. Just 1 point over and a team sheet can't be digitally submitted and no one gets caught out.

 

[Double finger point]

It’s just madness that a goal kicking ladder isn’t available. Not a hard thing to add in.

Sporting Pulse was excellent, which ever division you looked at you saw the top 5 kickers and was a simple click to expand to view all goal kickers for that grade. But people get paid the big bucks for the decisions.

 

[Double finger point]

Amazing the difference in QAFL coverage compared to SANFL and WAFL competitions or even local Melbourne competitions.

No coverage of Coaches Votes each week if in fact it even happens, Rising Star gets moderate coverage, weekly game reports and just stories about competition in general.

Just shows how under staffed the League is up here. For a main competition that we are trying to encourage kids to keep playing or even stepping stone to be drafted, it’s very second rate coverage for mine.

What happens when you have people that don't understand marketing, social presence, staistical updating and news reporting of the brand. Is it really under staffed or is it just lazy job performance, and then it comes down to the passion and who has the drive to make it the best out there.

 

[LaggingBehind]

Have I heard right that 2 QAFL senior coaches have been suspended?

 

[freddyfudrucker]

Heard a couple of coaches came to blows on the weekend but not which clubs?

 

[goalkicker11]

Grange assistant and Maroochydore senior coach clashed at half time

 

[stuyd1]

After reading all of these posts about the comp and making it beter in all ways I say this...Dont forget where the standard of the QAFL senior comp is...like its very high in standard, After questioning some of Broadys Victorian recruits that come from the top comps down there , they say the standard is better then most copms down there with the biggest difference being the pace of a game up here.
Also , Jordan Moncrieffs dad is Micheal Moncrieff ( a Hawthorn Legend ) whom is at every Broady game and he says our comp is a little better then all the metro comps in Melbourne .
In addition , fellow poster be it 2010 Premier was down in Melbourne a few weeks ago and watched a Essendon and district league game and a VIC Amateurs game and his opinion was the QAFL was of a better standard ...
So what Im saying is we have a good standard comp here and maybe we are not appreciating the efforts of the Qafl staff ..and certainly the efforts of each and every club .
Lets dont just look at the negitives here as it is a lots worse in leagues down in victoria .
We got a good standard comp here .. lets support it

 

[Thommo 42]

Regardless of how you plead, I find it strange that 'using threatening, abusive and obscene language towards and umpire' has a base sanction of 2 games, but 'approaching the umpires at half time' attracts a base sanction of 3 weeks.

Obviously both things are not permitted and unacceptable, but just seems out of whack. I guess the penalty needs to be harsher for getting close to them?

 

[LaggingBehind]

Regardless of how you plead, I find it strange that 'using threatening, abusive and obscene language towards and umpire' has a base sanction of 2 games, but 'approaching the umpires at half time' attracts a base sanction of 3 weeks.

Obviously both things are not permitted and unacceptable, but just seems out of whack. I guess the penalty needs to be harsher for getting close to them?

No point debating the "integrity" of the MRP. Its take the early plea or take the extra week because you dared to disagree or have a different slant on things.
My question is what happens now. How do those clubs get coached for whatever weeks the senior coach are suspended? Are they just not allowed in the coaches box but allowed to stand next to it? Can they enter the ground at 1/4 and 3/4? What about half time? Are they allowed in the rooms?