Quick question about tanking

[Lach72]

Whose definition of quality?

Hawthorn's or North's?

Bam!

 

[btdg]

We have the winner...this sealed it IMO

I was at the game where Fevola came off in the last quarter, and he clearly injured himself about 10 minutes prior taking a diving mark. After taking the mark, he shanked his kick out of bounds, and then limped around for a while, got touched up in a contest, and was then benched.

 

[Lach72]

I was at the game where Fevola came off in the last quarter, and he clearly injured himself about 10 minutes prior taking a diving mark. After taking the mark, he shanked his kick out of bounds, and then limped around for a while, got touched up in a contest, and was then benched.

Yeah clearly...

 

[medusala]

Okay. Carlton, West Coast, and Port are all tankers. Is that better?

Why is it people so often neglect to mention the behemoth that is the Melbourne Football Club when it comes to tanking?

Do we assume the dedication to ineptitude that permeates their off field efforts is also apparent on field and they dont have the required aptitude to intentionally tank?

 

[tazhawk]

Yes but 6 years of tanking is taking it a bit far. Especially that season when they lost the last 10 games straight because a win would mean losing the priority pick.

Bingo.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Whose definition of quality?

Hawthorn's or North's?

Thanks for answering my question, by not answering my question.

Hawthorn tanked, it's a certified fact.

 

[tazhawk]

Whose definition of quality?

Hawthorn's or North's?

Spot on, we traded Hay and Thompson to North because we knew they were not going to be a part of our next Flag.

It's not the Hawks fault the Kangaroos recruiting brains trust had no brains at all.

The Hawks bent North over on both those deals and all the bitching and moaning from North supporters will never change the certified fact .

 

[medusala]

Thanks for answering my question, by not answering my question.

Hawthorn tanked, it's a certified fact.

About as valuable as Leigh Brown

Hawthorn received what for Hay?

North received what for Brown?

 

[Mario the Lothario]

I see you're still not answering the original question medusala.

We all know what that means.

 

[medusala]

I see you're still not answering the original question medusala.

We all know what that means.

One can answer a question with a question.

Regardless: did Hawthorn tank?

I would say no.

Did Hawthorn get top whack for badly damaged goods?

I would say yes.

I can understand why a North supporter would prefer scenario A. It's perfectly understandable, just as it is when others fall over laughing at what you paid.

 

[omit]

Why is it people so often neglect to mention the behemoth that is the Melbourne Football Club when it comes to tanking?

Do we assume the dedication to ineptitude that permeates their off field efforts is also apparent on field and they dont have the required aptitude to intentionally tank?

the melbourne think tank (yes pun intended) spent many weeks and months working out the best way to secure high draft picks without being accused of rorting the system (and who would want to accuse melbourne of that anyway, melbtank just doesn't work as an insult).

the solution was tank early, not just tank but crash and burn. huge drummings at the beginning of the season would nearly completely eliminate the thought of tanking from the worlds mind as everyone would be concerned with how bad a club could actually be. combined with amazing come from behind victories against Freo and Brisbane and suddenly Melbourne haven't tanked at all.

 

[smiddaz123]

Thanks for answering my question, by not answering my question.

Hawthorn tanked, it's a certified fact.

Round 21 2004.

Hawthorn are 16th, Richmond are 15th.

Hawthorn defeat the tigers, 16.13 (109) to 13.8 (86) to avoid the wooden spoon and finish second last, thus throwing away the chance of the number 1 pick.

Of course they tanked princess. You have no idea.

I think you should probably be asking your own club questions on why they overpaid for utter hacks, rather than blame non-existent tanking.

 

[medusala]

the solution was tank early, not just tank but crash and burn. huge drummings at the beginning of the season would nearly completely eliminate the thought of tanking from the worlds mind as everyone would be concerned with how bad a club could actually be. combined with amazing come from behind victories against Freo and Brisbane and suddenly Melbourne haven't tanked at all.

Sounds far more cunning that coming home with a wet sail to finish ninth.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

One can answer a question with a question.

Of course, one can also answer a question by not answering a question. Especially when they do it several times. I'll let the reader draw their own conclusions.

Did Hawthorn get top whack for badly damaged goods?

I would say yes.

Interesting.

So, you are stating that Hawthorn knowingly placed a player with a severe mental illness on the market and concealed that mental illness?

 

[medusala]

So, you are stating that Hawthorn knowingly placed a player with a severe mental illness on the market and concealed that mental illness?

A reasonable man would assume Donald McDonald would have a very good insight in to the psychology of the Hawthorn players.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

A reasonable man would assume Donald McDonald would have a very good insight in to the psychology of the Hawthorn players.

Good point, but again, you avoided answering my question.

 

[celtic_pride]

Mostly because Carlton's was a little more obvious.

I don't prescribe to the theory that Carlton tanked for 6 years - they were simply not very good due to the penalites imposed on them.

However the final year of that period, it appeared to me they were certainly not trying overly hard ....I mean playing the kids is one thing but pulling your champion full forward off for a rest when a game is in the balance was a big ?

Libba coming out (even though Blues fans will put up 100 reasons why he should not be believe) - simply confirmed what the rest of us were mostly thinking.

WC and Port - guilty of playing the kids and sending guys off early for surgery ...definetly, however this is hardly full on tanking IMHO.

The real victims in this were Melb who did the right thing and are still paying a high price for that.

That wasn't Carlton's fault Melbourne missed out bigtime, they won a meaningless game late in the season 2007 against the Bulldogs which cost them the pivotal draft pick this year (not winning more then 4 games in a season over 2 years)

Oddly the AFL's decision to change the Priority pick system, means it's more obvious teams are going to tank, I mean I'd be surprised really if Melbourne wins more then 4 games again this year (not cause they are that bad, but because they will be eligible for an pre-first rnd draft pick selection, which might be too tempting to pass up, esp considering that GC17 are coming into the draft next year.

 

[tazhawk]

Round 21 2004.

Hawthorn are 16th, Richmond are 15th.

Hawthorn defeat the tigers, 16.13 (109) to 13.8 (86) to avoid the wooden spoon and finish second last, thus throwing away the chance of the number 1 pick.

Of course they tanked princess. You have no idea.

I think you should probably be asking your own club questions on why they overpaid for utter hacks, rather than blame non-existent tanking.

Mario Pwned again.

 

[THE_GUN]

That wasn't Carlton's fault Melbourne missed out bigtime, they won a meaningless game late in the season 2007 against the Bulldogs which cost them the pivotal draft pick this year (not winning more then 4 games in a season over 2 years)

Oddly the AFL's decision to change the Priority pick system, means it's more obvious teams are going to tank, I mean I'd be surprised really if Melbourne wins more then 4 games again this year (not cause they are that bad, but because they will be eligible for an pre-first rnd draft pick selection, which might be too tempting to pass up, esp considering that GC17 are coming into the draft next year.

are you for real, go through the fixture and tell everybody which 5 games you see melbourne winning. melbourne dont tank its not in their culture

 

[Blues_Man]

Carlton were in some winning positions in those games but took there foot off the petal so that is why they are accussed of tanking. If Melbourne have the same season as last year we won't have tanked because we are sh^t but if we improve then start throwing games to avoid winning five we will be tankers

So now we are being accused of trampling on flowers ..what next !

 

[bomba4eva]

6 years tanking will do it

Plus they had their way with the cap for years, so they are cheats anyways

Other clubs generally got up after 1-2-3 yrs.. but 6? lol and losing that game to melbourne?

i still hold that the biggest effort in tanking in a single game was the pies v north in that game ... my god, so so dodgy. 4 goals up and blew it in T.O..

The funny thing is that with all our outrage after games where it is quite clear that a team tanked, we would all want our club to do the exact same thing if it secured us another top pick. Sure it is a disgrace that Carlton continued it for so long but it was the intelligent thing to do. I know that when Essendon was on 3 1/2 wins in 2006 that I did not want our team to win that last game as it meant relinquishing another top 20 pick. In the end we delisted Hislop so losing any advantage we had received but people know it is smarter for the club to get that extra pick even if its blatantly obvious to all that a team tanked.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Why is it that Carlton are the ONLY team in the AFL who are ever referred to as ever tanked ??? How about the WCE last year ??? They sent A LOT of senior players for early surgery, which is fair enough, but when Carlton did the same they were Tanking ......... And how about Port ??? From the GF to 13th, their coach admitted that they were "playing kids" and doing "list management" yet they didn't tank ???


Common people, if the whole footy community label Carlton as tankers then why are they the ONLY ones considering that other clubs do EXACTLY THE SAME THING ..................

You have a point but let's face it. No one does it as well as Carlton does. Barefaced and unapologetic tanking year on year. It is heroic in a way and the likes of Port and WCE are amateurs in comparison.

 

[Blues_Man]

You have a point but let's face it. No one does it as well as Carlton does. Barefaced and unapologetic tanking year on year. It is heroic in a way and the likes of Port and WCE are amateurs in comparison.

The poor old tigers even sucked at tanking ..Carlton not only got the priority pick but avoided the spoon ..poor old tigers won the spoon and still missed the PP .

 

[BluesRock]

Not much mention of Carltons Draft picks punishment which lead to almost destroy the club both on field and off field.

I'm not saying the punishment should not have been given, but the fact is the NO other team has EVER been been handed those kind of impediments.

To state categorically that Carlton "tanked" for 6 years is rubbish. The effects of that punishment and the "band aid" fix undertaken to recruit recycled players, coupled with the fact the team had lost a number of "better" players due to retirements etc, meant that Carlton had a paper thin list in terms of competitive talent. We were simply not good enough to win plain and simple.

The only real time I agree that Carlton tanked was probably the Krueser Cup match against Melbourne.

 

[bourbons]

The thread title is misleading as well. What's the actual question? Carlton aren't the only team to have ever tanked is the answer you are looking for? Because nobody thinks they are the only team to have.

Oh on this site I think they do