Quigley's 2009 Mock (Warning: longer than ever)

[Richo83]

Quiggers was wrong. He also rated Melksham No.5, Lucas No.9 and had Josh Thomas, Matthew Panos and James Craig in the top 30.

He also had Ben Griffiths going far too late at No.7.

Quigley has a pretty good record with good players. If a guy is rated in the top ten of quigley's draft, and he's drafted out of it, expect him to become a bargain.

2007: Can't find, from reading it recently I know he rated Rioli pretty highly. He didn't rate Hill, but Hill does have flaws. Dangerfield was probably rated a bit lower than he should have been, although most people thought Adelaide picked the wrong player at the time.
2008: Sidebottom (5), Robinson (9), Swift at 7 was perhaps a reach, Walters at 11 I can see where he's coming from.
2009: Bastinac (10) Melksham (5) his one major error, Lucas at 9 was fairly accurate and the jury is still out. I see what quigley was saying when he rated Griffiths at 7.
2010: Green (5), Smith (7), Atley (8), Darling (10)
2011: Can't find.

 

[Tazwegian]

You just like it because I always put the Taswegians up high

Fact

Nah, it is more because you have a lot of solid info on those guys, and they are the ones that are neglected by other draft watchers due to the difficulty of mainlanders seeing them play. I'd be very interested to see how you rate this year's crop, and how your ratings are different or similar to mine.

 

[Tazwegian]

2007: Can't find, from reading it recently I know he rated Rioli pretty highly. He didn't rate Hill, but Hill does have flaws. Dangerfield was probably rated a bit lower than he should have been, although most people thought Adelaide picked the wrong player at the time.
2008: Sidebottom (5), Robinson (9), Swift at 7 was perhaps a reach, Walters at 11 I can see where he's coming from.
2009: Bastinac (10) Melksham (5) his one major error, Lucas at 9 was fairly accurate and the jury is still out. I see what quigley was saying when he rated Griffiths at 7.
2010: Green (5), Smith (7), Atley (8), Darling (10)
2011: Can't find.

Good call! He was a ridiculous bargain at 44 or whatever it was he went at. Maybe 9 is slight overs, but he has outperformed 90% of that draft at least.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Quigley has a pretty good record with good players. If a guy is rated in the top ten of quigley's draft, and he's drafted out of it, expect him to become a bargain.

2007: Can't find, from reading it recently I know he rated Rioli pretty highly. He didn't rate Hill, but Hill does have flaws. Dangerfield was probably rated a bit lower than he should have been, although most people thought Adelaide picked the wrong player at the time.
2008: Sidebottom (5), Robinson (9), Swift at 7 was perhaps a reach, Walters at 11 I can see where he's coming from.
2009: Bastinac (10) Melksham (5) his one major error, Lucas at 9 was fairly accurate and the jury is still out. I see what quigley was saying when he rated Griffiths at 7.
2010: Green (5), Smith (7), Atley (8), Darling (10)
2011: Can't find.

Not knocking Quigs, but I wouldn't take Lucas with a pick inside the top-30. I agreed with Griffiths. Swift a massive reach for a bloke who's no good. Robinson overs (a year older than everyone else in his draft don't forget). Sidey good call. Walters I can see it too but well overs. Green and Melksham well overs, the rest I have no problem with. It's not easy, ask MFC.

 

[Slattery_20]

I just thank christ we got a tall while the getting was good.
Not much tall quality in the 2010 or 2011 drafts once GC/GWS were done, but the clubs who did project a little bit ahead and stocked up (Reid, Talia, Carlisle even Gunston) did well.
We'd be ****ed if we'd gone after someone like a Stevens

 

[Richo83]

Not knocking Quigs, but I wouldn't take Lucas with a pick inside the top-30. I agreed with Griffiths. Swift a massive reach for a bloke who's no good. Robinson overs (a year older than everyone else in his draft don't forget). Sidey good call. Walters I can see it too but well overs. Green and Melksham well overs, the rest I have no problem with. It's not easy, ask MFC.

Walters? Nah, gun. Very polished youngster. Can easily see him kicking 40-50 goals a season. In hindsight I would happy to pick him in the top ten. Very slippery and knows where the goals are. Walters hasn't played as many matches as Yarran but I think he's got almost as much potential. Green? Again, gun, I saw a few nice things from Green, put him as starter for a season and watch him do some damage. Maybe quigley was trying to draw attention to ignored kids but quigley was right in seeing quality. At the least, quigley is right in that Walters and Green were bargains.

Again, quigley is not going to predict which highly rated youngster will go bust. I never said he would. However, if you have a player in his top ten which didn't go top ten, be confident that your pick will become a bargain of sorts. This is why I'm cautiously confident about Griffiths. I predict that like usual, quigley will agree with say 12 or 13 of the top 15 and then pull a few surprises. Think player x is merely worth a pick in the 20s/30s? Think again folks!

 

[Richo83]

Good call! He was a ridiculous bargain at 44 or whatever it was he went at. Maybe 9 is slight overs, but he has outperformed 90% of that draft at least.

And to paraphrase Bill Lawrey: "He's a Taswegian".

9 Is probably overs, but as you say he's outperformed a majority/most of the top 20. Quigley saw something. If quigley puts 36th pick in this draft 11th in his rankings, North fans should be very pleased.

 

[Silvagnis]

4th Round

Pick 50 - Melbourne

Davies is the kind of diligent, hard working player who I think teams at the bottom need. They are motivated to succeed and appreciate the chances that they are given. I would expect Grimes to move up more into the midfield this year and Davies could slot in down back. Physically he is right to play sooner rather than later.

Marcus Davies (Tassie Mariners, TAS)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 84kg, Weight: 04/06/91

The Tasmanian guys tend to be overlooked a fair bit on BF for some reason (and on draft day for that matter) so I like to plug guys when I can. I can’t understand though why Davies is not in more people’s mock drafts. Playing off half back this is another of the run all day guys who refuses to be outworked. He did a 15.08 in the beep test at camp which was second overall. One of the things he will really need to work on when he gets to the AFL is his explosiveness and pace off the mark. At the moment, despite have nice top end speed he gives away too much in the first few steps. Guys are able to get separation on him too easily and AFL players will take advantage of that. Given that speed is there though I think he might be able to improve this with the specialist work he is likely to have access to at AFL level. Overall defensively he can be a bit inconsistent and some days he can look great whilst at others second rate. I think he has the potential to be able to make life very difficult for his AFL match up and hurt them a lot going the other way. He played loose a fair bit this year in the Champs playing a sweeper type role mopping up at the back. He used his running ability to great effect in this role averaging a very nice 20.2 possessions a game. AFL teams will like the fact that he is not just an outside player but can go in and win his own ball. He has very nice height for small – medium backman and is very capable overhead. He is courageous and does not mind throwing himself around and is a pretty effective tackler. I do not see him as a midfield prospect as I do not think he has the kind of clean hands below the knees and awareness in traffic that you really need to succeed as a full time midfielder. The biggest knock against Davies has been his kicking but he has improved this a great deal this year and there is no reason why this could not continue to improve. Whilst last year he was very much a kick it long and hope sort of player this year he has worked at finding the short and mid range targets more. He has also worked very hard on his technique which has also improved quite a bit. He has pretty good penetration on his kicks. This is a very diligent kid who is motivated to succeed and he has some assets that should allow him to do so.

Pretty accurate like the Lucas write up. Davies played tall on Aaron Edwards and small on LeCras last year.

You want a worker and hard player with 43.

Marcus Davies

He did a 15.08 in the beep test at camp

This part will kill Brian Taylor's rhetoric about Tom Bell running a 15.1 beep.

Rohan Kerr
Height: 184cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 18

As with a lot of prospects in this draft it is hard to judge where he might go. He could go in the third round or not at all. He was overlooked for a Draft Camp invite which is not a great sign but not fatal. I like Kerr because he is a tough nut that can play up front as a small forward and go into the middle and win the ball and do each equally well. In the AFL he should start his career as a small forward. He has reasonable, but not great pace and is a good contested mark on the lead. He reads the ball extremely well off hands both in the ruck and crumbing up forward. He is good below the knees, very clean and retains an innate sense of where the goals are. Having crumbed the ball he will quickly swing around and kick the goal across the body. He has good balance, a low centre of gravity, is strong and holds his feet well in contests. He also recovers very quickly and is never out of a contest. Delivering into 50 he can laser it in there which again teams and big forwards love to see. He is a hard worker and does a lot of 1%ers that helps teams win. He will smother, shepherd and tackle with the best of them. He has reasonable height for a small medium. What is going to hurt him is that his agility test at State screening was abysmal and as bad as you will ever see from a small / medium. In games he tends to show reasonable agility in tight situations so I am not sure how much weight teams will give to this result. He did not make the Vic Country side.

Attitude and workrate clearly wasn't a match for his talent and skill. Almost the exact opposite to Armfield who gets by on gutrunning, speed, hardness and second efforts.

Good call! He was a ridiculous bargain at 44 or whatever it was he went at. Maybe 9 is slight overs, but he has outperformed 90% of that draft at least.

One of Shane Rogers' favourite players.

Warnock trade wasn't a bad one because we were hot for Robinson and Rhys O'Keeffe with our original second and third picks. Nothing you can do about ROK having a Scott Gumbleton type run with injury.

 

[Quigley]

Guys I always put a Div 2 guy in the top 10. It is a fair reach on some of them but I think there is always some div 2 talent that is overlooked. Green, Robinson and last year Schade are examples of guys I have thrown up there way out of kilter with what everyone else thinks. I always like the guys I put up but I acknowledge that I am out on a limb quite often.

On others I get a heap wrong. I simply do not see enough of them. I do try and pay close attention to what I do see.

 

[Tazwegian]

Guys I always put a Div 2 guy in the top 10. It is a fair reach on some of them but I think there is always some div 2 talent that is overlooked. Green, Robinson and last year Schade are examples of guys I have thrown up there way out of kilter with what everyone else thinks. I always like the guys I put up but I acknowledge that I am out on a limb quite often.

On others I get a heap wrong. I simply do not see enough of them. I do try and pay close attention to what I do see.

How would you compare Schade and Siggins? I have said elsewhere that I kind of like the look of Siggins more so than Schade. Has the right body shape, still has good skills, big endurance tank, and has strong TSL form to back it all up. Yet, not many phantom draft guys are talking him up. Thoughts?

 

[LemmingMaster]

How would you compare Schade and Siggins? I have said elsewhere that I kind of like the look of Siggins more so than Schade. Has the right body shape, still has good skills, big endurance tank, and has strong TSL form to back it all up. Yet, not many phantom draft guys are talking him up. Thoughts?

There are not a lot of people who you can trust with information from Tassie, so it is often hard for the likes of Quigley to get a true read on all players.

Seems like you have a fair amount of knowledge of that area, maybe you should be telling us what you think.

 

[Tazwegian]

There are not a lot of people who you can trust with information from Tassie, so it is often hard for the likes of Quigley to get a true read on all players.

Seems like you have a fair amount of knowledge of that area, maybe you should be telling us what you think.

I am planning to next year, I will make a thread in the phantom drafts board dedicated to how I see the Tassie players chances. Hopefully it can be used by other phantom drafters to help them formulate opinions on players they don't get to see much. Or it could be ignored, either way it would be fun. I couldn't make a whole phantom draft though, because I simply won't have the time to watch players from other state's games.

As for now, I have to defer to people who I think are more knowledgeable, I haven't seen anywhere near enough games this year to be confident that my rankings of junior players are solid. I am pretty new to this, so I would want to get another year or two of assessing players before I try too hard to sound like an authority

 

[LemmingMaster]

I am pretty knew to this, so I would want to get another year or two of assessing players before I try too hard to sound like an authority

Don't let that get in the way over here at BF, has not stopped people before having an opinion.



Anyway, it is always good to have a tassie person on the board helping with information. I've always found that SA and Tassie is hard to get information. I have enough WA and Vic contacts and videos.