Quigley's 2009 Mock (Warning: longer than ever)

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Why don't you name some players to select instead?

This year does not have depth in talls when compared to last year. Last year with your first two selections you went tall, so maybe all is not lost in that department.

For starters I don't think it would be that unreasonable to take Houghton at 35 ahead of Gysberts, while Hartigan could be taken a pick or 2 earlier than what he was here, seeing some PD have him going in the 3rd-4th round. Would then give us the chance to take someone like Luke McDonald with a late pick and although he is seen as being on the slow side, I think he could be worth a late pick if there is not much else around.

It is my belief that with the next few drafts being compromised it would be in our best interest to get in a few young talls that Hardwick and co can work with just in case we find ourselves unable to get one in those drafts. If we were to add those 3 above in the draft we would head into next year with: Houghton, Hartigan, McDonald, Post, Rance, McGuane, Riewoldt & Gourdis as our young KPPs. With 8 youngsters to work with I'm confident that Hardwick would be able to find a spine we can build a side around out of that group.

NOTE: My reply was not having a go at Quigley, it was a reply to one of his replies where he said that he would probably have given us more KPP if he went back and looked over the early rounds of the draft. Meant no disrepect.

 

[TheSuper6of06]

Absolutely epic. Well done

 

[krayfesh]

Rohan getting to Carlton would be epic win. Great stuff.

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Rohan getting to Carlton would be epic win. Great stuff.

But he won't. He's too good of a player to go past 10. He won't go past Port but don't even expect him to get that far down. I am almost certain he will go to North Melbourne. He is the perfect fit as he is what they are looking for. I don't know why people are saying Cunnington will go to North, they already have Liam Anthony, Jack Ziebell etc. from last years draft. They based there draft last year on midfielders, and although I think Rohan will become a midfielder in his later years, he still will provide that X-facor which will be taken away when Boomer leaves the club. If he doesn't go to North, I would expect them to take a KP player like Butcher/Talia etc.

As for the draft, I really don't have the time to read it all but what I did read seemed excellent. Nice job but I can't see the draft falling this way. Interesting though.

 

[LemmingMaster]

For starters I don't think it would be that unreasonable to take Houghton at 35 ahead of Gysberts

Gysberts at pick 35 is not terrible and I would be slightly shocked if he lasted that long.

Not sure I believe in drafting for needs and ignoring best available. Maybe borderline selections, you then look at needs.

Good work by Quigley, while I disagree with a number of his selections, there is still a heap of research and thought gone into this mock draft.

Having the ability to gain access to thoughts and information like this is highly valuable to many people.

 

[macca23]

Great read and done as well or better than any other phantom draft I've read so far.

However, I would say that there is no way I can see your round 2 and 4 picksbeing right as far as Adelaide is concerned.

An undersized ruckman in the 2nd round and a pigmy mid-fielder in the 4th?? Not exactly what Adelaide will be seeking.

Adelaide have stated that they are interested in 3 types of players in this draft;

- 1 or more quality mid-fielders
- a genuine goal-kicking crumber
- a ruckman (not of the 195 cm variety)

Not stated, but given McLeod's age at HB - a running HB such as Sheppard could also well be on their radar.

Having said all that Adelaide are very good at pulling worthwhile surprises in the draft so it's virtually impossible to have any certainty about their possible selections.

Once again, thanks for a great read.

 

[iamthestig]

Best I've seen Quigs. Probably the best there is.

You sir, are a gun.

 

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Gysberts at pick 35 is not terrible and I would be slightly shocked if he lasted that long.

Not sure I believe in drafting for needs and ignoring best available. Maybe borderline selections, you then look at needs.

Good work by Quigley, while I disagree with a number of his selections, there is still a heap of research and thought gone into this mock draft.

Having the ability to gain access to thoughts and information like this is highly valuable to many people.

While I wouldn't be unhappy to take Gysberts, I just believe that if Houghton is rated at 38 as Quigley has him, then Richmond taking him at 35 is not costing them that much and addresses a much bigger need than adding another midfield/flanker does.

Again, I'm not knocking Quigley and I appreciate all the posters who do Phantom draft and provide us with great knowledge of the kids, just voicing my opinion on what I think would be a better outcome for the Tigers come draft night in terms of rebuilding our list again.

 

[Quigley]

Great read and done as well or better than any other phantom draft I've read so far.

However, I would say that there is no way I can see your round 2 and 4 picksbeing right as far as Adelaide is concerned.

An undersized ruckman in the 2nd round and a pigmy mid-fielder in the 4th?? Not exactly what Adelaide will be seeking.

Adelaide have stated that they are interested in 3 types of players in this draft;

- 1 or more quality mid-fielders
- a genuine goal-kicking crumber
- a ruckman (not of the 195 cm variety)

Not stated, but given McLeod's age at HB - a running HB such as Sheppard could also well be on their radar.

Having said all that Adelaide are very good at pulling worthwhile surprises in the draft so it's virtually impossible to have any certainty about their possible selections.

Once again, thanks for a great read.

On the selections I have you guys:

Tapscott - F / Mid - frees up Dangerfield to go into the middle and can play some midfield himself. Should play next year and I think addresses needs as well as anyone.

Craig - KPD - he is too short as a ruck and I think I was pretty clear that I was picking him as a KPD. With Rutten aging I think you guys might start to look for someone to come along behind him especially having delisted Kite and Gallman (and Lee). Again you might disagree with the choice but I definately think he addresses need and I rate him as highly as any of the other KP prospects available at that stage. On the ruck side of things I do not rate the rucks at all this year and would certainly not waste a second rounder on anyone where you are picking. Your need is not desparate anyway.

AhChee - midfielder - could be a great tagger who can win his own ball (think Ling). Mature and could player early. With the delisting of Shirley again there is a spot for him.

Hooper - midfielder / defender - you are picking at 60 odd and getting the guy who was judged the best at the Champs. What the hell are you whinging about? Sure he is short but his pace, ball use and competitiveness would suit you guys very well. Not really a need pick but he could easily come in and play the role at teh back better than Petrenko and allow him to go forward which is his more natural position anyway. I did not think a small forward was really needed given the guys you had step up this year like Knights and Dangerfield to join Porps.

 

[ash84]

Quigley,
Fantastic effort, you have put alot of time and effort into it.

I do disagree with alot of your pics, but a great, well researched effort.

 

[Snooperclyde]

On the selections I have you guys:

Tapscott - F / Mid - frees up Dangerfield to go into the middle and can play some midfield himself. Should play next year and I think addresses needs as well as anyone.

Craig - KPD - he is too short as a ruck and I think I was pretty clear that I was picking him as a KPD. With Rutten aging I think you guys might start to look for someone to come along behind him especially having delisted Kite and Gallman (and Lee). Again you might disagree with the choice but I definately think he addresses need and I rate him as highly as any of the other KP prospects available at that stage. On the ruck side of things I do not rate the rucks at all this year and would certainly not waste a second rounder on anyone where you are picking. Your need is not desparate anyway.

AhChee - midfielder - could be a great tagger who can win his own ball (think Ling). Mature and could player early. With the delisting of Shirley again there is a spot for him.

Hooper - midfielder / defender - you are picking at 60 odd and getting the guy who was judged the best at the Champs. What the hell are you whinging about? Sure he is short but his pace, ball use and competitiveness would suit you guys very well. Not really a need pick but he could easily come in and play the role at teh back better than Petrenko and allow him to go forward which is his more natural position anyway. I did not think a small forward was really needed given the guys you had step up this year like Knights and Dangerfield to join Porps.

Agree totally with Hooper, he plays far bigger than his height the solid little fella (pigmy is a rough call), and is a steal that far into the draft.

Not sold on Ah Chee though, his disposal by foot is way too erratic for AFL and needs a mountain of work to bring it up to standard.

Wow is all I can say, that is some mammoth effort Q.

 

[Charliebrow 16]

Absolutely fantastic draft from an Essendon perspective. Vardy I'm unsure about and I don't hold any hold at all that Stevens will still be around at pick thirty-three.

Amazing effort and it's very much appreciated

 

[The Golfing Lion]

Just an outstanding amount of effort. Greatly appreciated

 

[macca23]

On the selections I have you guys:

Craig - KPD - he is too short as a ruck and I think I was pretty clear that I was picking him as a KPD. With Rutten aging I think you guys might start to look for someone to come along behind him especially having delisted Kite and Gallman (and Lee). Again you might disagree with the choice but I definately think he addresses need and I rate him as highly as any of the other KP prospects available at that stage. On the ruck side of things I do not rate the rucks at all this year and would certainly not waste a second rounder on anyone where you are picking. Your need is not desparate anyway.

Hooper - midfielder / defender - you are picking at 60 odd and getting the guy who was judged the best at the Champs. What the hell are you whinging about? Sure he is short but his pace, ball use and competitiveness would suit you guys very well. Not really a need pick but he could easily come in and play the role at teh back better than Petrenko and allow him to go forward which is his more natural position anyway. I did not think a small forward was really needed given the guys you had step up this year like Knights and Dangerfield to join Porps.

I'm basing my comments on those of Johnny Reid, Football Operations Manager, who has repeatedly said that Adelaide deliberately went tall in the last draft because there were good talls. He thinks this draft is weak in talls and strong in mid-fielders and this will be their first priority.

Given that he is telling it how it is then I can't see us taking an undersized ruckman to try and convert him to a KPD - we've done that unsuccessfully before with Sellar at the other end of the ground. If Jasper McMillan-Pittard was available as you have him in your mock draft, then I think we would snaffle him with glee. Apparently he made a good impression on Craig and his team at his interview. I'd be almost certain that we would take the best available mid-fielder with our 2nd round pick, whether that be JMP or another player.

As for Hooper in the 4th round, you might well be right, but my thoughts are that his selection would be inconsistent with what appears to be a trend towards taller stronger mid-fielders.

I'm certainly not knocking your mock draft which is a ripper and a great read - I just think that a couple of your selections don't match the clearly stated preferences of Adelaide in this draft.

Knowing Rendell, we'll both probably be way off the mark - nobody's got too close to his selections in his 2 drafts to date.

 

[Drummond]

Great, great effort.

However I would shed a tear if our draft turned out like that. And not tears of joy. Eww.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

quigley, you read us geelong supporters minds and raided our wishlists perfectly

im praying this is the way our picks turn out on draft day

most satisfying draft from a geelong perspective i have read

 

[Quigley]

quigley, you read us geelong supporters minds and raided our wishlists perfectly

im praying this is the way our picks turn out on draft day

most satisfying draft from a geelong perspective i have read

At least someone is happy

 

[coasting]

Quigley how do you justify Griffiths at 7? He shouldn't be anywhere near that. I don't think the guy has played more than 5 games in a row without getting injured. If his body can't stand up in junior footy, how will it stand up to the rigors of the AFL? I wouldn't go near him with a 10 foot pole and IMO he will be one of the busts to come from this draft. He will be the next Scott Gumbleton, plenty of talent but unable to stay on the park.

 

[bulldogsman]

Well done Quigley pretty impressive.

I think you've been a bit harsh on Carlisle though. He was fairly restricted as he had a back injury at draft camp and in the grand final. Fair enough comments about the champs though. I do have my concerns also.

In regards to Trent Dennis-Lane is it possible he may slip to the bulldogs? He's the kind of player the dogs could do with.

 

[Silvagnis]

Gosh Quig, you could have at least given us Tom Hill if you really believe Fitzpatrick stinks that much.

I can't see Carlton drafting a Fitzpatrick type with pick 43.

Or even 59.

JF doesn't fit into our structure with Kreuzer, Hampson, Warnock and Jacobs on our list.

Fitzpatrick sounds like a Shaun Hampson you'd find at Aldi.

I'd draft a full back with 43 if we draft Sheppard, Melksham, Lucas or McMillan-Pittard with pick 12.

Or pick 59 if a full back is there.

 

[Quigley]

Quigley how do you justify Griffiths at 7? He shouldn't be anywhere near that. I don't think the guy has played more than 5 games in a row without getting injured. If his body can't stand up in junior footy, how will it stand up to the rigors of the AFL? I wouldn't go near him with a 10 foot pole and IMO he will be one of the busts to come from this draft. He will be the next Scott Gumbleton, plenty of talent but unable to stay on the park.

I think Griffiths is the most talented KP available this year so I selected him first of the key positions. Injuries are obviously the issue but they have tended to be different injuries as far as I am aware. I don't have access to him medical records but teams will do and if he checks out okay I would have no trouble taking him there notwithstanding that he has struggled to get on the park.

I remind you of Selwood who had been out for a year and who knees were shot. Bone on bone etc. Geelong took a chance on an injured guy with huge talent and they are being rewarded for it.

Same in this case I think. Big guys are often a little prone to injury when they are growing. Griffiths certainly has be but if he gets his body right watch out. I take him every time over Butcher.

I respect people disagree with me and that is fine but this is a guy I really like and think he could be the next 1000 goal forward.

 

[Quigley]

Well done Quigley pretty impressive.

I think you've been a bit harsh on Carlisle though. He was fairly restricted as he had a back injury at draft camp and in the grand final. Fair enough comments about the champs though. I do have my concerns also.

In regards to Trent Dennis-Lane is it possible he may slip to the bulldogs? He's the kind of player the dogs could do with.

Entirely possible that TDK could fall. Some guys think he could fall to the rookie draft and again certainly possible. I would be surprised but its often harder to judge with mature aged guys.

 

[Quigley]

Well another draft done and dusted. Overall I was not close but I didn't really expect to be. I was a little disappointed with my strike rate in the last 25 picks. I thought a few more of those guys might have been taken but there you go. I was one of the few to pick Kerr and O'Brien so that makes up a little. Missing a first rounder in Howard all together was a little embarrassing. I had him on my watch list but he didn't make the final cut.

I did get a few trends although often misjudged the extent of the fall or rise. Here I am thinking of Fitzpatrick, Vardy, Carlisle, Taylor, Black, Jetta falling and the likes of Menzel, Fyfe rising. I never expected Griffiths to go where I had him but I did think he might go a little higher than 19. Gysberts I was way off the mark with him rising to Melb in the first round. Panos and Temel were second rounders of mine who didn't get picked at all. Both will make great rookies I think.

All the best everyone I hope you got a bit out of the exercise.

 

[thejester]

I wouldn't be embarrassed about Howard mate, no-one saw it coming. As always it was an extremely informative read, well done on the effort.

 

[AlibiMonday]

Well another draft done and dusted. Overall I was not close but I didn't really expect to be. I was a little disappointed with my strike rate in the last 25 picks. I thought a few more of those guys might have been taken but there you go. I was one of the few to pick Kerr and O'Brien so that makes up a little. Missing a first rounder in Howard all together was a little embarrassing. I had him on my watch list but he didn't make the final cut.

I did get a few trends although often misjudged the extent of the fall or rise. Here I am thinking of Fitzpatrick, Vardy, Carlisle, Taylor, Black, Jetta falling and the likes of Menzel, Fyfe rising. I never expected Griffiths to go where I had him but I did think he might go a little higher than 19. Gysberts I was way off the mark with him rising to Melb in the first round. Panos and Temel were second rounders of mine who didn't get picked at all. Both will make great rookies I think.

All the best everyone I hope you got a bit out of the exercise.

I think you should be wholeheartedly congratulated for the great effort you put in. At the end of the day, it was not the purpose for you to match what actually happened, but to give an insight into your views as to who was valuable. Very few of us get to see as many games as yourself at this level and I thoroughly appreciated your comments, view points and particularly the time to write it all up for us. Who knows, time may tell that your opinions were more worthy than the reality that took place yesterday.

Once again, thanks for the great work Quigley. I look forward to next years.

(standing ovation)