Racist persons only thread

[Roylion]

Originally posted by xBinny


Sorry, didn't know that history controlled the future! Thanks for that, now I can rest easy! WTF???? So terrorism is based on previous immigrants (whatever) entering our country? The examples? Exactly, EXAMPLES! My Mum set examples for me when I was young, doesn't mean I've taken them all on. Why should a country be any different?

Gee, what makes me an unbeliever here? Who the heck would read her speeches? I was giving you s**t. The fact that you took time to sit down and read anything that came from her mouth, makes me wonder if you didn't seriously consider voting for her! Oh, that would make YOU biggoted wouldn't

History heavily influences the future. Anyone who has studied history quickly learns that much the same themes occur in just about every period of time, and therefore studying the events of the past, gives us some hint on what may lie in the future. For example, I predict the Middle-Eastern conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is unlikely to be halted in the near or distant future, until the Palestinians are granted an independent homeland. I base this on the fact that many conflicts throughout history and particularly in the twentieth century have been fights for independence and self-determination, such as the American Revolution, or the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian empire in 1918. The concept or theme of 'nationalism' is very important in these conflicts and has been usually in the past only solved when independence, self-determination or a homeland is granted. I see no reason why the current conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis will not be solved in the same way at some point in the future.

An influx of Middle-Eastern people into Australia, does not mean that Australia is any more likely to be hit by a terrorist attack than it has ever been. America's multi-racial society did not cause the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington DC. Personally, I believe the influx of Chinese, Melanesians, southern Europeans, south-east Asians, Fijians, has added to and mostly improved our culture and society, in the past. There is little reason, not to believe that further CONTROLLED influxes of people, such as Middle Eastern people will not also further add to our society in the 21st century.

Reading Pauline Hanson's speeches? I've read them. It's called 'becoming informed." I don't and won't ever support One Nation. But at least I know why.

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by Dave
BSA, most of what you've said is quite true, however simply because something (terrorism in Australia) has never happened in the past doesn't mean it can't happen in the future, after all, before yesterday no-one had flown a passenger jet into the towers of the WTC had they?

But there has been terrorist attacks before in US. I have heard Terrorists threaten to bomb the US many times before.In a way it's not supprising that something's happened. But what is surprising is the scale of the destruction.

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
When christians came to Australia they r*ped and systematically attempted to wipe out an entire race........I say ban all christians.

It's stupid to tar all people with the same brush, but I wasn't expecting anything else when I came to this thread.

You assume they were Christian?

 

[plays tall]

i think it is entirely appropriate that the issue of national security is debated given recent events. Its a shame that people can't express their opinions on security issues without others assuming their opinions are motivated by racism. isn't it possible that their opinions are based on genuine concerns for the security of this country?

if muslim extremists are responsible, there is no reason to think that the incident will not be repeated. the only questions are where, when and with what consequence. we are told that the suspects are known to be developing nuclear and biological weapons. how can we be sure they would not use them?

no doubt the vast majority of muslim people are decent, law abiding and compassionate human beings. the problem is there is no way of telling those that are from those that hold extreme anti-Western views. early reports suggest that one of the suicide pilots was a seemingly gentle family man with five children.

the more muslims that are allowed into this country the greater the risk to national security. quite simply i don't think the benefits outweigh the risks.

i don't see much relevance in referring to events of 200, 500 or 1000 years ago in dealing with this current problem. there were no weapons of mass destruction then.

 

[Frodo]

I have a little bit of power here. I started the thread and I can delete it!!! I started it because I could not reconcile the situation in my mind and I hoped that thre would be those that would put forward points that would help me figure it out. A lot of posts are very well thought out and good contributions. Some are personal and that is what I don't like at all. Personalisation just feeds emotional response and is an excuse for not having anything to say of importance. Please try and keep this on a thoughtful basis and not on a personal one or I'm sorry but I will delete it

 

[mantis]

plays tall

How about the security of the muslims already legal residents here? opinions like yours causes hysteria & puts them at risk, which has started already.

In Perth a mosque was attacked having faeces thrown at it, the perpetrators shouting abuse as they drove off, plus muslims have been getting threatening phone calls.

You say you are worried about Australians security, a lot of these muslims are Australians now, what about their security.

 

[plays tall]

my opinion doesn't cause hysteria, the actions of the perpetrators of these crimes cause the hysteria.

as i stated, most muslims are undoubtedly good people. they don't deserve to be persecuted and i certainly wouldn't condone any persecution of them. i would expect the law to deal with anyone who breaks the law.

the issue is national security as i see it and i think its time it was on the agenda. i think we have become too complacent.

 

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel

But it is EXTREMELY RARE that an act of terrorism is perpetrated against a country by a resident of that country.

This isn't actually true.IRA in the UK, ETA in Spain the list is endless even Timothy MCveigh in the US.

A furthur note regarding the comparison with the IRA, it's interesting to note that the 2 cities in the world where the IRA raise most of their funding to purchase weapons are Boston & New York-I wonder if the people living there who happily put their hands in their pockets for the cause of Irish Republicanism will still now stop or whether they think that the IRA bombing Britain is somehow different to Islamis fundamentalists bombing the US.

 

[WCE2000]

OK, ive stayed out the argument because ive been sitting on the fence on this issue, but after speaking with my brother tonight, my mind has been made up.

All boat people should be sent back, not even considered to come in, and all people immigrating through legal methods to Australia, should get a serious examination on each and every one. If it takes a month to get 60 of them over here so be it.

In regards to the boat poeple, do we really know who these people are??? Think about that. These people have no papers, they are destroyed before they come here. We have no idea about their identity, who knows what there plans are.
They scratch together 25 000 dollars to pay these people smugglers. Where do they get this money from. I went to India, an the average Indian, aside from the millions who wouldnt want to leave anyway, couldnt scratch together 1000 dollars by themselves. And when you compare Indians to the Afghani people its like Vauclause to Redfern - for Melbournites, Vauclause is Sydneys richest suburb (the Indians in my metaphor) and Redfern in Sydney moist impoverished suburb (the Afghanis). How do these Afghani's scratch up 25 000 dollars. They dont get this money in 10 years work. If they owned a house, they might sell it for 25 000 dollars, but anyone in Afghanistan who owns a house is so priveleged they wouldnt want to leave. They have to get the 25 000 dollars from somewhere. (For those who havent figured it out, you cant rule out theyre given the 25 000 bucks from people like Mr Bin Laden and commit acts similar to those in America).
Of the 600 people trying to get into the country, you only to 3 or 4 people who are prepared to kill themselves and many Australians with them. WE DONT KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE REALLY ARE!!!!!!!!

My foot has come down on this issue now, and nothing will change it.

Call it racist if you want, but i call it common sense.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Just watched footage of a American Senator's speech in which he said that they should bomb them, and if there is collateral damage, so be it. They didn't have any problem finding American civilians expendable.

There is some volatile noises being made after the dust has started to settle.

Just another little observation .... as I work for the Qld government in the area of Occuaptional Health & Safety, the air over there is full of asbestos fibres and most people are wandering around without masks now. There is asbestos in the air everywhere we are in civilisation anyway but if you can see it, then you know the concentration is extreme. Very dangerous for the rescuers.