Racist persons only thread

[Pessimistic]

There are expansionist christiab fundamentalists in Americ itseld who will be trying to exploit prejudice to wage 'war' on muslims and arabs etc.

Hopefully cool heads in power will prevail.

The realisation that the harder you try to 'wipe them out' the more resistance they will find will be sobering for them.

'The perpretators should be punished' I hear them say. Excuse me, they were suicide bombers - they are already dead and recieving the greatest reward in their eyes. To kill more of them will be exactly what they want. But that is what will happen to appease american public opinion.

 

[Satay Mat]

Originally posted by Frodo



Add this to the teachings of the Qoran.

Satay, that is disinformation and not helpful. I have studied the Qoran and know many Muslims throughout the world who I have discussed religion with.

so why are you wrong Frodo ???

Islam condones death for non believers in as much as Mary was a Virgin, the world was built by god in 7 days, an eye for an eye, or indeed that those who do not turn to Chirst will rot in Hell for enternity.

If Islam says that non-believers should die why am I not dead ? I am surrounded by muslims everyday......none of them run at me and try to cut me into pieces.


"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" (I hate this quite but anyway......


The Qoran is a book....just like the bible is a book....people decide to act in certain ways and they do that if they are Christian, Muslim or whatever.

You use such a broad brush Frodo....don't be so hasty to make generalisations....particularly if you have muslim friends and have studied as you have said.

Satay Mat

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

yes, but I thought you were talking about Australia ...

... and the perpetrators of yesterday's terror in the USA were not United States residents, or at least they don't appear to be.

Every country in the world is vulnerable to terrorist attack from outside, even little 'ole Australia.

But it is EXTREMELY RARE that an act of terrorism is perpetrated against a country by a resident of that country.

Of course an exception to this is the Timothy McVeigh case, and he was white, middle class, and a Christian to boot.

So to return to my original point - Allowing people from the Middle East to come into Australia does not necessarily mean that we are importing 'terrorism'

The facts just don't back that arguement up, I'm sorry

cheers

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Perhaps Islam does not preach death to non-believers, but there are fanatical sects who believe it does. These people place a very low value on human life, and giving your own life for the "holy war", to die a hero and be rewarded in heaven, is a very strong motivation in political terrorism.

These are very different values to those held by western Christians. It would be extremely rare for "westerners" who are not completely deranged, to strap bombs to their bodies, aim jetliners at buildings, drive trucks loaded with explosives into shopping centres, or place bombs aboard jumbo jets, in the name of God.

It's unfair that all Muslims are treated with suspicion but they are tainted by the acts committed by some in their community, which is why they should be proactive in applying pressure themselves for catching and punishing the perpetrators. But blood is thicker than water, and changing ideas and traditions which date back thousands of years is a nearly impossible task.

 

[Blues_Brat]

Re: Re: Racist persons only thread

Originally posted by Bee


You mean like the Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland?
Surely not, afterall they are Christians.

Excellent analogy.

You'd think now that it is the 21st century that people would have realised by now that we have more in common with each other than there are differences.

One race. The human race.

 

[HighFlyer]

There are extreme fundamentalists within every religion and every race in the world. As a christian myself I am fully aware of the atrocities that my own religion has performed in the name of "God". The muslim religion I believe is based on the old testament of the christian bible(correct me here if I am wrong), the old testament in itself is a fairly harsh way to live your life, black and white, right and wrong, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Its not very flexible, hence the muslim religion whose roots are found within is not very flexible, to be a muslim requires a fair deal of dedication and discipline. Unfortunately very strict religions tend to appear at times barbaric and with little scope for flexibiltiy lend themselves more easily to extremist groups, because it is very easy to warp the exact written word to suite an organisations own views. Its not fair to label those of mainstream Islam poorly because of the actions of extremists. Should we turn back boat loads of muslim refugees because they are muslim, no, they flee the exact oppression and violence that we openly detest. Should we turn back boatloads of refugees because they jumped the queue ahead of other refugees in as much need, thats another issue altogether.

Unfortunately what muddies the water with the western world is the mixing of Religion, politics and law together as we see in some harsh muslim regimes (Ie Taliban). People rightly or wrongly associate the actions of countries and extremists with the religion of the region. Countries such as afghanistan only dig themselves into a hole in which they cannot get out, if they hand over muslim extremists to western governments they are seen to be betraying other muslims, if they don't hand over extremists then it appears as though the actions of fundmentalists are sanctioned by the government of the region. In these cases who suffers, more often than not the innocent men, women and children that are unluckily victims of violence. We can't turn our back on these innocents because we perceive the religion of there homeland to be wrong.

 

[Satay Mat]

Originally posted by Dogs_R_Us
Perhaps Islam does not preach death to non-believers, but there are fanatical sects who believe it does. These people place a very low value on human life, and giving your own life for the "holy war", to die a hero and be rewarded in heaven, is a very strong motivation in political terrorism.

These are very different values to those held by western Christians. It would be extremely rare for "westerners" who are not completely deranged, to strap bombs to their bodies, aim jetliners at buildings, drive trucks loaded with explosives into shopping centres, or place bombs aboard jumbo jets, in the name of God.

It's unfair that all Muslims are treated with suspicion but they are tainted by the acts committed by some in their community, which is why they should be proactive in applying pressure themselves for catching and punishing the perpetrators. But blood is thicker than water, and changing ideas and traditions which date back thousands of years is a nearly impossible task.

I think you answered your own question....

"westerners who are not completely deranged"........

tell me why then we do not say

"muslims who are not completely deranged....."

why is it that if a Christian in Northern Ireland, or some nut in Waco, or some looney in Tasmania goes mad with a gun....that they are simply derranged.....some guy flies a plan into a building and they are not derranged....they are muslim.

this is why discussions like this are so prone to racism....the Tasmania guy (god it is so sad that I can't rememebr his name) is a nutter....evil....derranged....anything but a white Christian....Bin Laden is a muslim. By doing this it leads to your last comment that "blood is thicker than water" and so on.....we create the environment where muslim = deranged.....and that is simply not the case.


Satay Mat

 

[Satay Mat]

Originally posted by HighFlyer
There are extreme fundamentalists within every religion and every race in the world. As a christian myself I am fully aware of the atrocities that my own religion has performed in the name of "God". The muslim religion I believe is based on the old testament of the christian bible(correct me here if I am wrong), the old testament in itself is a fairly harsh way to live your life, black and white, right and wrong, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Its not very flexible, hence the muslim religion whose roots are found within is not very flexible, to be a muslim requires a fair deal of dedication and discipline. Unfortunately very strict religions tend to appear at times barbaric and with little scope for flexibiltiy lend themselves more easily to extremist groups, because it is very easy to warp the exact written word to suite an organisations own views. Its not fair to label those of mainstream Islam poorly because of the actions of extremists. Should we turn back boat loads of muslim refugees because they are muslim, no, they flee the exact oppression and violence that we openly detest. Should we turn back boatloads of refugees because they jumped the queue ahead of other refugees in as much need, thats another issue altogether.

Unfortunately what muddies the water with the western world is the mixing of Religion, politics and law together as we see in some harsh muslim regimes (Ie Taliban). People rightly or wrongly associate the actions of countries and extremists with the religion of the region. Countries such as afghanistan only dig themselves into a hole in which they cannot get out, if they hand over muslim extremists to western governments they are seen to be betraying other muslims, if they don't hand over extremists then it appears as though the actions of fundmentalists are sanctioned by the government of the region. In these cases who suffers, more often than not the innocent men, women and children that are unluckily victims of violence. We can't turn our back on these innocents because we perceive the religion of there homeland to be wrong.

excellent post Flyer......could not have said it better

Satay Mat

 

[xBinny]

Okay, I'm about to do something I wouldn't normally do, and agree with Frodo! I've never been a racist person, but our little boat hopping immigrant refugees should by no means what so ever be let into this country! I feel for their situation, and obviously sending them back now spells certain death for them. But hey, there's others waiting back in the country that are going about things the right way, and now they sit there and wait for bombing, or whatever. And there has to be fear in your minds now, if there wasn't before.

I'm sorry, but these people do come from a country where people are killed freely on the streets. Women can be r*ped and it's their own fault, and they get put in jail. Women can't be treated by male doctors, only females. But females aren't allowed to work. It's stupid! Who's to say this culture will not take over our own, maybe not in 5 years, but what about 100 years? We may not be alive, but what have we left for our families? Can we blame these rules on a religion. I'm sorry, but I blame them on man (humans, whatever).

Anyone can rape/kill someone, but the truth is, this country, this religion is much more known for it. Not to say they will show up in Australia and start a killing rampage, but do you want to take that chance with your wife/daughter/niece/mum. We are too free and understanding in a time when the world is looking at certain peril.

Religion is used too freely to start arguements and war. Try being me! I'm not an athiest, because that means you don't believe in religion, but you believe in a higher power. I hate all religion. It's wasteful putting all your faith into someone that you haven't even seen/heard, when you can't put faith in common man!

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Our colonial forefathers were absolutely scared sh"tless that Australia was going to be over-run with Chinese in the 1860's that the first thing they did after federation was to pout into law a racillay discriminatory immigration polcy called White Australia.

For precisely the reasons articulated by yourself Xbinny

Please provide me with proof that 'we will be over-run'

I'm sorry but the mere thought that we are going to be somehow 'invaded' by dangerous Arab extremists is spurious at best and at worst it is extremely biggotted racist paranoia.

XBinny you make the point that Australia could be taken over in 100 years time by these people - what a load of paranoid, foolish nonsense !

Chinese have been coming to Australia since the 1850's

The first fleet in 1788 had dozens of Black African Negros in the compliment.

Then we had 1000's of Melanesians brought into work as slaves in the Queensland sugefields, then wave after wave of Eastern and Southern Europeans came here after the WW2, then it was the turn of the Vietnamese and Cambodians in the 70's and 80's

Then we had a wave of Fijians (many of them Indian-Fijians) that came to Australia after the coups in 1987.

And don't forget the nearly 30,000 (thats right - 30,000 !) Chinese students that were allowed to remain in Australia after the Tianenmen Square incident in '89

oh yeah sure, they have changed Australian society - for the better, that is.

Please tell me where groups of migrants have come to Australia and caused the kind of mayhem and social dislocation that you speak of ?

Do you honestly believe that Muslims are more pre-disposed to rape and mayhem than non-Muslims ?

Grow a brain please ?!?

The biggest Muslim country in the entire world is INDONESIA - yep, thats right, 200 million of the buggars, right on our doorstep. Please provide me with one single convincing ppiece oof evidence to suggest that the incidence of rape in Indonesia is higher than other countries in then world ?

Of course it isn't - in fact, knowing Indons personally as I do, the incidence of rape in Indonesia is probably alot lower than it is in Australia.

Oh and btw - Atheism is NOT a belief in a higher power - Atheists reject any notion of a superstitous 'being' outright.

I think you are referring to agnostics there.

All in all XBinny, your post is almost completely unitelligable and the bits that do make sense reek (and I mean really smell) of xenophobia and paranoia.

What on earth are you afraid of ? - Look at the history of this country, inspite of our racist past, we have managed to rise above all that and establish a place on the earth that is a beacon of enlightened understanding and welcoming generosity.

... and you want to tear all that down and put in its place a 'fortress' where nobody is allowed in.

Do you really want a small Australia ?, a narrow and mean spirited country that refuses to take its place on the global stage ?

Get in touch with the One Nation Party sunshine - they want to stop the world so they can get off as well.

cheers

 

[xBinny]

Okay, I expected a rebuttle, but you're just all in for a war aren't you? My good, take a chocolate bar, lace it with a little LSD and relax buddy!

Okay, firstly, please provide me with some proof that we won't be over-run. I didn't say we WOULD be, it was a speculation that it could happen, but it may well never happen too.

I sorry that I didn't make myself clear enough in my post and that you feel the need to totally quash that, but go back and read it again, and then read your response.

If I sound paranoid, then I must be. For heck sake, terrorists just flew planes through buildings, in America no less! The most powerful Country in most peoples eyes. Doesn't that grant me to be slightly paranoid or even scared! Or maybe the fact that the number one suspect for these crimes is being harboured by the same people that are on that boat waiting to get into our country. Doesn't that even give you slight goose-bumps. AND NO, before you berate me for that, I am not blaming just the people on the boat!

I'm sorry I really didn't know what an athiest is. I thought they believed in a higher power, not necessarily had faith in it, but believed something was there. Most believe in heaven and hell, so there's a belief, or am I that uneducated in religion? I don't believe in heaven, hell, a god. I had an obsession with Greek mythology, but that's exactly what it was: Mythology!

How much do you know of what is going on in Afganistan? Do you know the botched-a** laws that they have in place? Or did we just look past that to get me into an arguement about which country/religion has the highest rape toll? I said that you read/hear about it a lot, I didn't say they were the only ones to do it.

Thank-you very much for putting me up with Pauline Hanson, much appreciated, since I stated at the start of post that I am not racist. Never have been, and hopefully never will be. Although maybe we should go through her election speeches and I could actually point out to you somethings she said that would benefit Australia greatly. But you probably couldn't get past the fact that in a lot of other issues she was a biggot.

I see you are absolutely sure that our country will never be over-run. What makes you so sure, the fact that we got all those Chinese students? Gee, they haven't started anything, so why would anyone else? Now who needs a brain? America's got millions of different people in it, and they probably thought exactly the same as you until the first plane came crashing through!

You did see people singing and dancing and cheering in the streets after those planes crashed through? All those innocents dead, and not a mornful look on their faces. Yes, that scares me about them, and makes me paranoid (since that seems to be your favorite description of me).

What on earth are you afraid of ? - Look at the history of this country, inspite of our racist past, we have managed to rise above all that and establish a place on the earth that is a beacon of enlightened understanding and welcoming generosity.

On second thoughts, don't go the LSD I suggested at the start of this post, I see you are already on more drugs than you can handle!

I wasn't trying to get anyone worked up, and obviously it got you pretty bad, due to all the personal attacks! You're so secure, and I'm sorry that I'm not. I can't look at past people that have come into our country and base the rest of my life thinking that everyone (whatever race/religion) that comes in is going to blend etc. I don't trust enough, and some trust too much.

So how much does this reek?

 

[xBinny]

I'm sorry, me again.......just wondering if you actually read my post before you wrote your response. I just read my first one again, and then yours and then mine again, and am really thinking you took a s**tload of it out of context.

Just say "please explain" (sorry couldn't help myself), instead of throwing another attack at me! I'm speaking my mind, and I'm sorry if that offends you.

 

[Frodo]

Hey, don't start agreeing with me. I am really posing questions I am asking in my own mind and weighing up the arguments.
I tend to towards a 'yes' answer because it seems right. Whether that is due to the way my thinking has been conditioned or a true personal belief I don't know.
The problem of radical groups of which fundemental Islamics are needs to be addressed on a global platform rather than just Australia.
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Islam derives from the 7 tribes and the Qoran is a book attributed to the prophet Mohammud. It is a book which dictates the rules of how to live.

One part that amazes me is where it is said that if a woman is unfaithful to her husband she shall be locked in a room and kept without food and water until she is dead but if a man is unfaithful to his wife he shall be forgiven because that is the way of man.

In my experience very few muslims I know follow the Qoran just as very few Christians I know follow the Bible. In fact it can be argued that the Christian church does not follow the bible.

Non-the-less the teachings of the bible are aligned with the Australian (and USA) way of life. The Qoran is not and I don't like the thought of our society 'potentially' changing in that direction.

 

[Boof458]

Originally posted by Frodo


Non-the-less the teachings of the bible are aligned with the Australian (and USA) way of life. The Qoran is not and I don't like the thought of our society 'potentially' changing in that direction.

Similarly shall we go through some of the ridiculous things which are stated in the Old Testament??

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by xBinny

Or maybe the fact that the number one suspect for these crimes is being harboured by the same people that are on that boat waiting to get into our country. Doesn't that even give you slight goose-bumps. AND NO, before you berate me for that, I am not blaming just the people on the boat!

The people on the boat are not the same people harbouring bin Laden. Those harbouring bin Laden are the Taliban.
The people on the boat are fleeing their own country because it has been taken over by the Taliban.
The people on the boat are Afghanistans who want a safe place to live.
Now do you understand why the people on the boat are fleeing?

 

[xBinny]

Thanks Bee, already knew why they were fleeing, and looking at what I posted, I didn't write it the best way did I?

I do feel extremely sorry for these people. For someone to leave their family and try to get out of the country would be the hardest possible thing if it was me. I couldn't imagine being able to do it. The situation is so bad that they don't have a choice. But what is happening to all those people still over there that were going through the right channels to get here? Now they've just been shoved back in line. Not fair! And I think that is the biggest reason that I disapprove of these boat people. (Yes, before I get battered again, I'm pi**ed that their country is harbouring what his face as well). There are many different reasons why I think these people should not be allowed in (right away), but we don't get a say, so why does it matter?

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

oh so it was American residents that crashed that plane into the WTC was it ?

sorry, I just assumed that it was foreign terrorists - silly me !?!

Absolutely no connection whatsoever between the multi-racial nature of American society and the terrorist attacks - none at all.

Again I have to return to my point - there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Australia would be in any way, shape or form different to the kind of society it is now if we continue to allow people from the Middle East in here.

You ask for proof that we won't be over-run. The proof is there, in chapter and verse.

Look at the history of this country - absolutely not a shred of evidence that we have imported the kind of terrorism that you speak of. The examples from history are plain as the nose in front of your face.

If you disregard history then thats your problem. History teaches us so much about ourselves, because history is all about themes. Themes that re-occur time and time again down the ages.

Oh and I have read the speeches of PHanson as well XBinny - they are a load of uninformed, small minded and mean-spirited clap trap.

Exactly where are these 'things that would benefit Australia' that you speak of ?

The cascading 2 percent taxation system perhaps ? - oh puhleeeze !

Hey what about 'print more money' idea ? - another blinder from Pauline, that one !

And to suggest the boat people are one and the same as the Taliban government they are risking everything to run away from is specious and half baked. Please think it through before you post - that was really dumb.

Ypu are at pains to point out you are not a racist.

Funny how people always say "i'm not a racist but ... '

and then they go on to mouth grossly offensive racist bile

"Oh but I'm not a racist ..."

yeah right

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Originally posted by Satay Mat


I think you answered your own question....

"westerners who are not completely deranged"........

tell me why then we do not say

"muslims who are not completely deranged....."

The fanatics who embrace political terrorism are not deranged at all, in fact they seem to be very intelligent, resourceful, dedicated, ruthless, and patriotic. Their methods are inhuman and pitiless and very effective, because you can't punish people who place so little value on their own lives.

why is it that if a Christian in Northern Ireland, or some nut in Waco, or some looney in Tasmania goes mad with a gun....that they are simply derranged.....some guy flies a plan into a building and they are not derranged....they are muslim.

I don't think I said that.. and all of those examples are so different. You have to look at the agenda, not the nationality of the person committing the act. It wasn't some guy, it was quite a large group of guys, several on each plane, and WHOEVER THEY WERE, they were not deranged.

this is why discussions like this are so prone to racism....the Tasmania guy (god it is so sad that I can't rememebr his name) is a nutter....evil....derranged....anything but a white Christian....Bin Laden is a muslim. By doing this it leads to your last comment that "blood is thicker than water" and so on.....we create the environment where muslim = deranged.....and that is simply not the case.


Satay Mat

Martin Bryant WAS deranged, and was not a political terrorist, ie had no particular agenda but his own momentary gratification. No one likes him any better than the terrorists. (Perhaps I'm a nutterist....)

Is it possible to equalise all horrifying acts and not classify or compartmentalise them. Is it not realistic to say such and such an act has certain hallmarks? How on earth would crimes be solved if this were not allowed?

I don't think that recognising cultural differences, traditions and ties equals racism necessarily, but it might mean that for some people I guess. However it's a natural and ancient human reflex to look at the next person to determine how like or unlike yourself he is.

However you interpret my post, and I know it's easy to be misunderstood, there is one thing that I don't think, that is that Muslims are deranged. Just don't get me onto their treatment of women though.

 

[xBinny]

Dear Queen of Sheba (sorry, it's funny!),

Sorry that I'm not a racist, BUT you want me to be. If I was a racist the friends I hang out with I'd bag and dispise, the boyfriends I've had I probably would have had shot or something! Isn't it funny! You know so little about a person, yet you ASSUME so much! Well stop assuming, it only makes an A** out of U and ME!

Question.....WTF was with the first few paragraphs? You can read can't you? Because you sure can't comprehend!

Again I have to return to my point - there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Australia would be in any way, shape or form different to the kind of society it is now if we continue to allow people from the Middle East in here.

And again I must point out that you can't be certain of that! How can you keep throwing this arguement at me? I NEVER SAID IT WAS A CERTAINTY!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND????? I'm not telling you that these people will definately be bad for the country, but I am in no way saying they will improve our living. I'm not saying the rape toll will be higher, because we all know we don't need that. I'm not saying everyone of them is carrying a weapon with them to tear down our nation. DAMN WELL READ WHAT I WRITE BEFORE YOU SPILL SO MUCH CRAP!!!!!

Look at the history of this country - absolutely not a shred of evidence that we have imported the kind of terrorism that you speak of. The examples from history are plain as the nose in front of your face.

Sorry, didn't know that history controlled the future! Thanks for that, now I can rest easy! WTF???? So terrorism is based on previous immigrants (whatever) entering our country? The examples? Exactly, EXAMPLES! My Mum set examples for me when I was young, doesn't mean I've taken them all on. Why should a country be any different?

Oh and I have read the speeches of PHanson as well XBinny - they are a load of uninformed, small minded and mean-spirited clap trap.

Gee, what makes me an unbeliever here? Who the heck would read her speeches? I was giving you s**t. The fact that you took time to sit down and read anything that came from her mouth, makes me wonder if you didn't seriously consider voting for her! Oh, that would make YOU biggoted wouldn't it?

Maybe now you will consider reading what I write, instead of what you want to read! But then again, YOU probably won't!

 

[xBinny]

Okay, as much as I hate to do it.....I have to go home.....works over. But I'm having so much fun! Nope, going shopping. BSA, gonna have to go pick on someone else, or you can bag me again, and I'll be back tomorrow with my rebuttle!

K, bye now.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Frodo
It's hard to phrase questions correctly so as not to unleash a hail of abuse at the poster when race is involved but I seriously have to ask the question 'Do we want immigrants in Australia who have a religion that sporns radical elements that do not hold life sacred?'
I wondered this when a Sydney girl was gang r*ped by muslims and now with the USA tragedy I wonder again.

Will the immigration of Islamics eventually lead to bombings and disasters in Australia?

I don't understand you Frodo. A month ago you call us all racists for discussing who the best aboriginal players of all time were and now you come out with this drivel..... We should ban all Irish people as well according to your "logic".

BSA, I would call a machine-gun attack on Lakemba police station a terrorist attack. I am not against Muslim people from coming and setting here, I am for it, but lets not pretend that nobody from their ethnic community has never done the wrong thing.

Every "race" has it's rouge elements....

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

XBinny

you suggest that allowing Arab Muslims in Australia COULD present us with problems in the future.

I disagreed and pointed to past historical experience to illustarte that your fears are completely unfounded.

Now if you think that the lessons of history should be ignored then fine, it is you porogative to ignore history if you choose to.

I happen to disagree most strongly with that. Yes, it is my fervent belief that correct understanding of history is absolutely essential in helping to predict the furure.

I can quote you examples of this ad-nauseum but I won't waste my time ...

I hate to wreck your little construct here XBinny but yes, HISTORY DOES INDEED CONTROL THE FUTURE. Think about it, thats all i ask ...

Yes, my examples are just examples but they are also historical facts, actual events, true stories - does that not count for anything in your logic ?

My point is that history shows us that as far as the Australian experience goes, there is little if any justification for being paranoid about immgrants bringing terror and extremism with them into this country.

ahh but you say it COULD happen - well I say it won't, and history teaches us that it won't. Why do seek to deny the glorious history of our country when it comes to providing a safe, prosperous haven for people of all colours, creeds and races ?

And why do you accuse me of being a Hansonite just because I have taken the time to read her speeches and other pronouncments ?

Its called being well informed - or don't you read anything that does not agree with your point of view ?

I am happy to accuse Hanson of racist bigotry - because I have taken the time to read her and think about what she is saying. You have to equip yourself with all the information available, otherwise your opinion is un-informed.

No, I don't want you to be a racist - but what you are saying IS racist, I'm afraid.

You are saying that we should not let in Arabs Muslims because they MIGHT cause trouble.

why ?

because they are Arabs ? because they are Muslims ? why are they supposed to be any different from any other group that comes here ?

You were the one to single out Arabs for special mention - why ?

I'm not assuming moral superiority here - Racism lurks, like a coiled snake, in everyone - myself included.

I feel nervous in the company of people who are not like me, sure, I'll admit that. - and thats a racist thought if ever there was one.

But at least I can recognize my failings and try my best to do something about it.

You, on the other hand, are in denial.

cheers

 

[Gabriel]

Well said BSA. I agree entirely.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Briedis

I'm not for one minute suggesting everything is hunky-dory down Lakemba way.

You and I, as Sydney residents, both know it gets pretty hairy down there sometimes.

Whether you consider a gang of boys in a car spraying a machine gun at a local police station is an act of terrorism is open to debate.

maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

Its certainly a crime, thats for sure, and a pretty serious one too (like the pack rape case as well)

By terrorism, I'm talking about deliberate violent acts against the state to gain political advantage, or to make a political statement.

That drive-by shooting incident clearly was not in this category.

Those boys with the machine gun had no such motive. "heck you cops" was probably the limit of their reasoning here.

Please guys - I'm not for one moment suggesting we are all holding hands around the campfire and singing We Are the World.

Its not like that, of course it is not like that

But to suggest, as some have (not you Frodo - you just asked the question and there ain't nothing wrong with that) that allowing Arabs into Australia equates with importing terrorism is a specious arguement, at best.

cheers

 

[Dave]

BSA, most of what you've said is quite true, however simply because something (terrorism in Australia) has never happened in the past doesn't mean it can't happen in the future, after all, before yesterday no-one had flown a passenger jet into the towers of the WTC had they?